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Baby 08/10/2022 (Wed) 19:48:49 No. 15474
Whats with it and tbdls participating in incest?
>>15474 fetish stuff might be really weird, inappropriate and in some cases illegal, but it isn't sexual relations, so it's not incest. some people don't even do it for the sexual aspect and even people who do, sometimes it's primarily a soothing / coping strategy and the sexual aspect is only because warm/wet stuff on your junk is obviously going to make you aroused - but it's not the initial reason they wore them.
>>15504 thats the thing, the person in the image specifically said tbdl, which is a fetish. not littlespace which is a coping mechanism. So I'd say its sexual in some way
>>15505 Eh there's a lot of people who are in diapers who join these types of chatrooms / groups. They may not see it as sexual but they want to talk to others like them with the same disability or want to share their experiences with people who want to be in the same position as them. They could also be looking for someone who will not only accept their disability but also like's the disability (not being one of those people it is hard for me to speak for them but I'm sure some are around.) When they talk about it they also use the acronyms of the group just because it is easier so that everyone knows what they're talking about. Just look at the 24/7 thread, there's plenty of people there who have always been in diapers 24/7 or ended up in diapers due to an accident. Just because someone uses terminology doesn't mean much.
>>15507 Ah fair enough, its just the nursery thing is a bit offputting in the pic since that would mean that if they are a tbdl then the parents are partaking in the fetish.
>>15511 I don't think that's their actual nursery. But yeah I can see how that image can give off a certain vibe. Pretty sure I've seen that table and stuff in a video.
>>15513 I know I just meant the caption. I could care less about the image
i'm pretty sure this is just fantasy. like all those people on Omegle who pretend to be TBDLs but there parents like totes understand them and baby them
it's either kids being stupid, they escalate their sexual fantasies. They think wearing one diaper every other weekend, is enough they make that one fetish their whole personality. Kinda like a kid starting soccer practice and then they think that they will become a professional player and participate in the world cup. young people are desperate for any source of identity, tell them their zodiac sign, hogwarts house, Mayer briggs thingy and they will make it their new personality.
>>15539 >this is just fantasy /thread
>>15505 >tbdl, which is a fetish. not littlespace which is a coping mechanism This is literally the first time I've ever heard that distinction made in that way. Please go and have your moral panic attack somewhere else.
>>15561 I also don't really like to separate abdl's into multiple groups but I don't think that anon meant to moralize. It's just that terminology used in tumblr/twitter/ig as op's pic is very likely downloaded from there.
>>15505 I see you're young and hanging around the sexphobic agere crowd. This is a NEW distinction. Non-sexual abdls have always been apart of the community; but in previous eras werent numerous enough to have a segregated community. They existed in kink spaces because thats all there was. The DL aspect is pure fetish. The TB/AB has been a mix of age players and age regressors, and most do both. Not to mention kink can be and often also is a coping mechanism. Littlespace is a kink derived term similar to subspace as well.
>>15563 >Non-sexual abdls >TB/AB From what experiment do you come from? There is no such thing as "TB". They are idiotic, autistic, p3d0philic fucks who go around the internet pretending to be younger to release their fantasies and/or attract prey. There is no such thing as "non-sexual" abdls. They think calling themselves that makes them less of a degenerate. We all are sick fucks, can you stop pretending now? >>15505 Nonsensical terminology. >tbdl = fetish You mean being a p3d0? >littlespace = coping mechanism For coping with autism I guess. What a waste of a fucking thread.
>>15587 oh god the insane namefag has ditched the name.
>>15587 How new are you? I found other diaperfags on the internet when I was a teen, and identified as a TBDL until i turned 20. There's a hilarious irony if you calling other folks autistic; while demonstrating you can't process not everyone experiences an interest in diapers the same way you do. OP image is 100% a fantasy that a teen is LARPing online. Been around since the days of DPF's teen room. The sexphobic kids are annoying; but frankly I fully support them trying to wall themselves off as age regressors and keeping things aggressively non-sexual to scare off groomers even if some of them are sexual but feel guilty about it. It's not as if creeps on the internet have gotten less predatory since I was a teenager.
>>15596 >The sexphobic kids are annoying; but frankly I fully support them trying to wall themselves off as age regressors and keeping things aggressively non-sexual to scare off groomers even if some of them are sexual but feel guilty about it. It's not as if creeps on the internet have gotten less predatory since I was a teenager. The sexphobic kids are far more likely to be ACTUAL groomers. You know, like how ADISC claimed to be a "safe space" for TBDLs and ended up having a minor groomed by a mod?
>>15597 ADISC started as TBDL.net which itself was originally a group that left TBN.net; both forums made by teens at the tine of their creation as a safe space away from places like Deekers or DPF's teen room. The folks who ran ADISC kept getting older and it became less and less appropriate to allow anyone under 18. I dont know the mod grooming story, I bailed from there long before they finally banned teens. But it wasnt founded as a honeypot. It was originally for teenagers by teenagers in a mid 2000s internet. Yior and Diaperboys.biz however absolutely were founded as honeypots; with the founders of both catching prison time. I do think it's weird that the content made before banning minors hasn't been purged. Point being; if you think people only get interested in diapers, or pacifiers, or littlespace when you turn 18. Then you havent been around very long. TBDLs absolutely exist. And people who like diapers and/or regression without the sex have always existed in the community.
I think the maker of the image is lying, but...15 years ago I'd never believe anyone would voluntarily tell their parents about wanting to act like a baby, pissing your pants and all. With how clown shoes the world is now, I can see some 14-16 year old doing this and thinking it's fine.
>>15606 >the fact that i fell for this makes ME the smart one because i already have a confirmation bias
>>15602 Yior was one of the sites that caused a schism in the community that was long overdue. The adult communities were splitting over depictions of children in all forms of media. A lot of adults on the creepy side maintained their fantasy is to be the child in the story, picture or video, not be the adult. This mistargeting is a symptom of a lot of personality disorders, but most commonly it is a symptom pedophiles exhibit before committing to causing harm. The communities split, and Yior was a kind of splinter of the more hard core pedophiles. Yior was in a legal grey zone until two kids were located and saved. I worked with the sherrifs office as a subject matter analyst. I was studying at RUC at the time, earning a degree in psychology, researching identity dysphoria. The children were being badly abused, but no one could get to that fact until a lot of nurses were asked specific questions about the correct way to change a diaper, and the incorrect way. Those two girls, sisters, had their identities ripped from them in a complex way, and their trust in the system was rightfully compromised. That site operated for years in full view of the law, operating in a grey zone. Today, the same schism is overdue. This community needs to split in two. So does buffalobetties; Bobby's stories often feature children sexually, with explicit passages with 12 and 11 year olds, and allusions of younger.
>>15587 >There is no such thing as "non-sexual" abdls. They think calling themselves that makes them less of a degenerate. We all are sick fucks, can you stop pretending now? This is a false dichotomy. The only logical contradiction would be a non-sexual paraphilic infantilist. There's no specific term for just liking diapers or having a fantasy of acting like or being a baby, because the English language doesn't come up with terms for every predilection.
>>15609 I think I was 13 when I encountered yiorthecobb trying to lure me to his site from the unmoderated dpf teen room. 2 weeks later he was arrested. That schism is happening on other platforms. The split between age play the submission/humiliation fetish, and age regression the comfy smol headspace. There's a lot of vitriol towards age play, bordering on puritanism. However those identifying as age regressors are on average younger with a lot more women. They also tend to fixate more on deco-pacis then diapers. It's likely safer for them to be in a community shunning or denying that littlespace can be complicated psychosexually. Or acting as if adults playing or slipping into another headspace stop being able to give consent.
>>15609 >This community needs to split in two Nah, best is to keep forums and such +18 and tell them facts on registration that if they however are under 18, their pics are CP. Even if they are over age of consent. CP is the real problem for website owners and this way it can be effectively avoided. Nobody living with their parents want their lewd pics to be investigated by police even if there's no crime happened. Separating communities doesn't work. It just allows minors to post borderline lewd pics and claim it's nonsexual. Kids and groomers both also know and will input false ages to websites... And not that i accept grooming or child abuse but tbh, if some kid is horny enough to join a fetish site and meet people there, he's very likely get abused anyways, no matter is there a separate community for minors or how.
>>15614 I might have read your chat. He kept logs. He tried to lure a lot of kids into his clutches, and wouldn't have given up when you tell him no. The sisters' mom was a real piece of work too. A commonality between victims was their parents being into it too. I call it the Big Bad Wolf syndrome. They push the edge so they are known as the most extreme person in their ring, not for sexual gratification, but for the fame. If your parents weren't into such stuff, you likely would never become his victim. I never had the benefit of TBDL communities when I was a teen. Never found them I guess. Wish I did, but knowing how dangerous they were, I am glad I didn't too. You hit the nail on the head with the rejection one part of the community has for another part. It is one thing to have different kinks and not be into mixing sex and age play, but the rejection is more aggressive. >>15622 No, the schism needs to happen, and the communities split between those who are always going to reject, f.x. Bobby's stories for featuring children, and those who accept pictures of children in diapers as a valid expression of age play, sexual or non-sexual. The schism last time was encouraged by the anger of main stream sexuality towards the entire ABDL community, and the schism was needed to show mainstream sexuality ABDL wasn't about children. Same is happening again.
>>15624 >Bobby's stories for featuring children There's nothing wrong with fictional stories >and those who accept pictures of children in diapers as a valid expression of age play Wtf? I have never seen any abdl website where pics of actual children are posted. What kind of shady sites are you visiting?
>>15625 Try to keep up. This site.
>>15629 I have seen no pics of children here except on diaper packages. Should those be blurred out or something? Lol
>>15631 >I have seen no pics of children here yet...
No level of censorship would ever satisfy those kind of people for long because there will always be a need for them to find something to conduct a witch-hunt against. No matter how ethically you act, they will say it is not enough and demand that more and more content is censored. When fictional drawings are banned, they will rally against fictional stories. When those are banned, they will go after people for ageplaying "too realistically" or some similar bullshit. Logical arguments about ethics or harm won't matter because those are only used as cudgels to beat others with, just like the US uses "human rights and democracy" while running torture camps and instigating coups. Being the ones deciding what gets censored gives them a sense of power and status within the in-group, which is the real goal. The truth is that ABDLs don't need some kind of overarching community. It's much healthier to have a diversity of smaller communities with varied rules and approaches. Then most of the people who want to play puritanical social games can do so together and the rest of us can keep our distance.
>>15637 100% agree
I understand that this fetish in particular has a shit ton of liars. Go on to Quora or Omegle or ADISC and you'll read "true stories" about all types of outlandish ABDL scenarios that clearly aren't true. But I honestly believe that the "mother treats her adult son as a baby again" trope may have very well happened once or twice. You get a woman with too open of a relationship with her son and the right type of mental illness, and I could see her actually doing that. Obviously the TBDL aspect of it is fucking gross (not that it isn't gross either way), but I wouldn't be surprised if the scenario in OP's pic is in the realm of reality.
>>15631 >>777 She is. There is also the catdoll thread. And Loli thread.
>>15637 Agreed. But serious question that may be a bit off topic, if anyone knows pls help me understand. Why is it lots of people love to fight against things that only help them and others have more freedom / rights / choices? What is it about the idea of having the freedom to do - wear - be - live - worship - treat your body however / where ever you want so long as you're not hurting anyone else, that just drives these people into a visceral rage that they need to do all they can to prevent people from having those rights / freedoms? Is it a control thing or maybe jealousy? For example (I hate bringing it up and don't want to bring that discussion about MIB here.) the MIB thing, why are people so outraged at the idea that some people will be able to enjoy a store like that that could also help those with actual medical issues / and help those in the community (the same community they are also apart of) have more power of choice and where to spend their money on supplies they want / need. Do they really think only a few companies should have the majority of sales and power in the community? Do they feel everyone should be ashamed to need / want those products and they should be forced to buy these products only under the cover of anonymity and secrecy? And with the fictional images and stories featuring fictional underaged characters who is that hurting exactly? Why do they feel they have the moral obligation to censor what others view when no real children are being exploited or hurt in the process? They really feel like their way is the only way and everyone else is too immoral to see the "right" way to live? Are they using the same false theory that has been proven multiple times to be false as the people who dislike violent video games / movies / books that it will lead to people acting out those fictional fantasies? A theory that has been around since before the 1850s Why is there so much self hatred in the community and restriction on the rights of other human beings who are just trying to live their life the way they choose? >>15634 I feel this site has been very good at removing underage content and those who promote that sort of content quite quickly when it is actual children instead of fake dolls, images or stories.
>>15644 >She is. If you have proof, post it and the content will be removed. >There is also the catdoll thread. >And Loli thread Well, normies might don't like these things but isn't it just a good thing that pedos fuck piece of silicone instead of real children? And many not pedos like these things too since loli is cute and catdolls small enough to fit in baby diapers
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>>15646 Don't you know, you're a pedo if you put inanimate objects in baby diapers.
>>15624 Places like buffalobetties are already relegated to relative obscurity. The larger communal places already ban fictional depictions of minors. Baby Bobby is huge among older sissies but thats it really. The schism in the community happened long ago; which is why places like this exist on the fringes. The schism is on tiktok and discord with agere v age play. Hopefully that new label can help shield businesses like MIB in the future. I have my kinky side; but I've also long since had an asexual little side where I just want to color, dance, and watch cartoons. Having terminology to differentiate when I'm age playing as part of a kink scene or just regressing to be cozy and feel cute is useful.
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>>15661 Haha I saw this earlier today on Twitter. Brought back some good memories of gaiaonline and dbz in dips. I came to so many pictures on that site. Deekers was cool at the time for the terrible stories, I also always wanted a subscription to hubbies but obviously never got one. Old diapergal, diaperpunishment, FTT, karis playground were pretty good for free content. But there were a lot of geocities sites to frequent. Kinda sad I can't remember this one site that had drawings, there was like a short comic where this blonde girl had her panties ripped off her while she said "nooo" and she was put in a diaper then some laxatives kicked in and she had to ask the girl who put her in them for a change while questioning if she really did belong in diapers, then the other girl winked at the screen. Good times.
>>15663 JJ's or something along those lines may have been the site.
>>15664 If it was then the site is gone with robots.txt set to prevent crawlers so archive.org never saved a copy of the site. The site was diaperart.teenbabynet.org. Last time I visited the site was mid 2020 with it still working. Shame since it had some Gunsmith Cats AR I never saved. The site could also be Infantile Tendencies? I haven't checked to see it anon's description of the drawing matched anything there. https://www.angelfire.com/anime2/omutsu/
>>15563 >The DL aspect is pure fetish. The TB/AB has been a mix of age players and age regressors, and most do both. I never got why people say this. Technically, one could prefer diapers in the same way that one might prefer boxers over briefs without feeling the need to fap to them, but if you act like a baby or want to be treated like one without it being some kind of sexual humiliation fantasy, you're just a delusional nutjob.
>>15624 >the anger of main stream sexuality towards the entire ABDL community, and the schism was needed to show mainstream sexuality ABDL wasn't about children They assumed it long before they saw any actual cases, and they haven't learned a single thing despite decades of us virtue signalling. All it really changed is that idiots whine "THAT PIXEL MIGHT BE 17 YEARS AND 364 DAYS OLD" and start drama about anime-style art.
>>15665 That would have been JJ's. He was hosted on TBN's server I'm fairly sure. Only thing I recall was a few posts where he highlighted models for early fetish sites often were wearing underwear underneath the diapers. Lowkey glad they're not archived. Also I side eye Moo not purging the pre-banning teens content thats probably a decade old now. I assume it's because of the conspiracies that he intentionally purged the tbdl forums before relaunching as adisc. >>15671 I mean thats possible, but DLs usually are those with a specific diaper fetish. If you're someone who just likes them because they're comfy and not because they are an object fetish then sure. I think it's less common of a split then the adult babies who roleplay a kink and those who mentally check out of their adult thoughts. >you're just a delusional nutjob Yes, and? Thats why it's therapeutic. I'm well aware disassociating into a simple and childish headspace is nuts. Still a huge stress release.
>>15671 >you're just a delusional nutjob. Maybe but it's just so damn comfy to put on a diaper, footie pajamas, make hot chocolate into straw mug and watch some tv after a stressful week. I don't regress deeply though but it just feels nice to be like toddler and it's usually not sexual
The only way to keep groomers out is with politics. Denying the existence of youth as an oppressed social class is what leads to them being isolated through ideas like "mature for their age"(it's just "not like other girls" and "one of the good ones" applied to age instead of gender/race). All discourse of sexual vs non-sexual is pointless.
>>15678 I didn't quite catch your point. Youth posting sus pics and chatting with adults online is big legal risk, even if it's called non-sexual. Youth can however do all the same things as adults do like watch porn, use diapers or even fuck similar age partner in them. Just stay away from posting to online communities until you are legal age or if you must do it, do it so that nobody innocent gets into problems. About grooming / child abuse. I haven't seen it but one way to avoid it is to provide shipping/payment methods like pay on pickup for those who don't have credit card yet.
>>15681 My point is that abuse is enabled by isolation, and the form that this isolation takes for young people is the idea that they are somehow an "exception" due to being "mature". The only way for a young person to truly understand that they are not, and can never be an "exception" is for them to understand that they are a part of a social class that is oppressed financially, structurally, and legally(though the legal oppression only matters in extreme cases, such as children being legally abducted and sent to institutions with their guardians' permission), with only minor legal "protections" to compensate.
>>15671 I mean, even "normal" human activities are inherently delusional. The common man is insane.
>>15681 >Youth can however do all the same things as adults do like watch porn, use diapers or even fuck similar age partner in them. I don't think you'd be surprised at how hard it is, as a youth, to find a similar-aged person to do ABDL shit with as a friend and not a partner.
>>15685 That's why all of my ABDL stories take place in worlds that aren't ravaged by cars, suburbs, and structural poverty.
>>15686 That is not the kind of comment that I expected to see in response to the post, or on this board in general, but it is understandable.
>>15682 Fair enough. I guess it varies a lot by where you live. Here in scandinavia youth rights are in good shape and sex ed is also top tier.
>>15609 >A lot of adults on the creepy side maintained their fantasy is to be the child in the story, picture or video, not be the adult. This mistargeting is a symptom of a lot of personality disorders, but most commonly it is a symptom pedophiles exhibit before committing to causing harm. >>15682 >though the legal oppression only matters in extreme cases, such as children being legally abducted and sent to institutions with their guardians' permission There's a connection here, and I suspect you already know what it is. (No, no one has ever truly tried that. Although there are places that have gotten terribly close. Most have been shut down or sold off, but...)
>>15682 Man, I just wanted to have a place where me wearing diapers wasn't weird. I need them and places like this helped me acknowledge that it wasn't normal to pee myself every other day at school and get the fuck beaten out of me for it. Now here we are talking about child grooming and human trafficking. I still get shakes talking about this sort of thing. Where the hell is safe?
>>15723 I know, right? Imagine being into something as a fetish and discovering that an all-too-large chunk of your fellow travelers are abyssally sick and actually evil fucks. Nowhere is safe. Sorry friend.
>>15723 Theres the small triangle before poster name, you can hide triggering posts/threads from there >>15724 Same amount that in every kind of community. Where you got that idea that there's a lot of evil people in our community? >>15685 Well, it's not that easy for adults either
>>15729 >Well, it's not that easy for adults either That is a good point, admittedly. I just think the poster is really overestimating the ability to which teenagers are able to actually use romantic or sexual relations as a substitute for an exotic interest or fetish, even assuming they're actually hetero/homo or whatever.
>>15720 >A lot of adults on the creepy side maintained their fantasy is to be the child in the story, picture or video, not be the adult. This mistargeting is a symptom of a lot of personality disorders, but most commonly it is a symptom pedophiles exhibit before committing to causing harm. I know you're not the original poster, but was this individual really suggesting that the desire to be a child or self-inserting as such in media is a "common" symptom of pedophilia?
>>15751 You misunderstand. It's not to be "a child", it's to be a child on the receiving end of fetishistic abuse.
>>15751 That's actually pretty common, just go to look comments e.g. on pixiv loli pics. But that part that most pedophiles commit to cause harm is 100% bullshit, most of them are not rapists just like most heteros, homos, abdls and such are not.
>>15755 The majority of pedophilic attraction is born from a hatred of women, or at least the dangerous kind is. Hatred is the cause of violence. If none is present, then there is no reason to read further into something.
What does OP have against non-reproductive incest anyway? The only rational reason incest is considered bad is that it increases the risk of genetic diseases. If it weren't for that there would be no harm in siblings falling in love and getting married. It seems strange to attack what is clearly non-reproductive (and possibly non-sexual) activity on the grounds that it's incest. >>15757 >The majority of pedophilic attraction is born from a hatred of women This is a pretty bold claim to make without evidence, especially since the same thing has been said about plenty of other harmless fetishes/sexualities like BDSM or male homosexuality.
>>15758 Modern family units are imbalanced power structures because it's hard to leave them. Power imbalance is incompatible with consent. They also tend to enhance the impact of sexism and ageism.
Encouraging this is why Yior existed
>>15751 Yeah this doesnt sit right with me either. I'm purely and wholey submissive. Theres not even a speck of a dominent urge sexually in me. It's absurd to claim. because I enjoy fantasies of being a teen again and being humiliated for bedwetting in abusive ways; that I'd somehow turn into a top on a dime to subject a kid to it. I'm into people who make me feel young. Actual kids are the quickest way to make me feel like an adult and ruin the fantasy.
>>15752 It probably would have been best if the original post specified that more then. Even in that scenario though, I can't really see how it'd be particularly likely for a large amount of the population to be pedophiles. >>15755 I haven't seen those pics, I think the use of that term as descriptor might select for that population more. Most visual or literary media I've seen of kids, even in ABDL or babyfur circles, have been generic cuteshit.
I was incontinent growing up and I kinda wish my parents helped me stay in diapers. As fucked up as the scenario tends to be, I just didn't want to keep pissing myself at school and be told to deal with it. I get the feeling that's the appeal for at least some of them. Just wanting to be normal.
>>15774 That is different. You feeling young and enjoying the babying is different from fantasies about a minor having sex in diapers, the normalizing it by imagining you are the minor.
>>15811 Not that anon, but I think that specification is the kind of thing people were confused about. It wasn't immediately clear from the first poster that they were talking about minors and sexual activity. At least it's clarified, now. Also, nice dubs.
>>15811 Violent games and movies should also be banned because they normalize harmful behavior. Seriously, let's build a society where fantasies and fictional works are held to the same standards as real life actions. That's the only way to keep our kids safe (unless they happen to produce criminal art, in which case they deserve to rot in prison).
>>15762 The set of possible incestuous relationships isn't equivalent to or even a subset of those involving power imbalances. It's hard to claim that there's a power imbalance between two identical twins for instance, not to mention all the variations where a less powerful individual is playing the dominant role in the fantasy. And if you don't like power imbalances in porn then I assume you're planning to make your next thread complaining about all the ABDL porn based around medical and prison settings where a victim is forced to wear diapers by people who have total institutional power over them.
>>15869 Okay, it doesn't create the power imbalances, it just makes them impossible to offset when there's forced association between people as a result of family. Power imbalance/non-con in porn is largely the result of shame or artistic laziness, and clearly doesn't reflect the creator or audience's actual desires. It does mean they're avoiding what they really want, though.
>>15880 >It does mean they're avoiding what they really want, though. There's three ways to interpret this: 1. The creator isn't smart enough to know how to portray it consensually. I've seen some things where what would normally be casual outings between people in various relationships is made weird and implausible by noncon elements shoehorned into the work. It's frankly fucking weird and makes me wonder just how much other media the creator consumed. 2. It's just a straight-up noncon porn story, usually of the "Oh no! Please, whatever you do, Ms. Voluptuous Blackmailer, don't put me into this excessively frilly getup that would cost thousands of dollars on Etsy! Please don't spend hours every day diapering me and treating me like a baby! Not the buzzy wand over my diaper! Anything but that!" variety. 3. The creator actually wants to nonconsensually do this to people, very often children, and is attempting, within the story and occasionally outside of it, to justify wanting to actually do it. Yes, this kind of thing actually exists. (It's the justifications that are the 'tell' for this kind of thing, as opposed to just someone making fetish work.) These people have motive. When they get means and opportunity, that's when you stop talking about fiction and start talking about news articles...
>>15811 Imagining you're in the submissive role, even imagining you are a minor again; isn't normalizing. It also is still a stretch to think a person who enjoys the submissive role is going to suddenly turn dominant to abuse an actual child. No one bats an eye as sexy cheerleader or catholic school girl roleplay. It's fantasy and play. >>15868 This. We've been through this debate as a society countless times. Play in a fantasy settings doesnt equate to real life.
>>15907 Or; the actual case where people want to fantasize about being subjected to extreme and unrealistic fantasies through force; as thats their kink. Especially when it comes to the sissy stuff you mentioned. Often force is a requirement for them for the fantasy as thats the area in which they feel safe indulging if theyre not in control. You don't seem to have a grasp on the basic fundamentals of BDSM and power exchanges. Like the example being thrown around with BabyBobby; they're not writing what they want done to someone else. Theyre writing what they'd like to happen to themselves in fantasy.
>>15931 You can't simultaneously want something and not want something.
>>15935 Are you just autistic? You absolutely can enjoy something as a fantasy but not actually want it to occur outside of the confines of the fantasy. This is like claiming all GTA players actually want to be murderous criminals. I'm more concerned that YOU can't seperate fantasy desires from reality desires.
>>15935 >>15940 I find a really good way to explain the fantasy-real life dichotomy for people is to use vore as an example. In vore there are "preds" and "prey" like we have CGs and littles. If you have a prey fetish - wanting to be eaten - then that means you have a sexual fantasy that would involve fucking dying. Obviously you don't want that IRL but you can't control what your sex drive wants. I find the stark contrast of DEATH makes it easier for some people to understand.
>>15944 That's a really good example. There's the occasional crazy; but 99% are just normal folks with a fetish that freaks people out.
>>15944 The difference is the comorbidity between people who both fantasize about being physically that little, simulated minors in images or text, and fantasizing about being the minor depicted, and having a CP.
>>16000 Really shouldn't use medical terms you dont understand to continue being loudly wrong. Submissives with fantasies dont suddenly turn dominant with children.
This is the sort of thing that looks awesome in fantasy, but once you imagine YOUR parents actually doing that and taking care of you and changing your diapers... sounds pretty weird, at least to me and taking into account my relation with my parents. I wouldn't be able to get turn on by the scenario. I would, although, get turned on by random teen TBDLs being taken care by THEIR parents, because, well, it's not my parents LOL, so it's easy to abstract myself from this and just get turned on by it. About being sexual or not, it's not 100% sexual, hell, maybe it's not even 50% sexual, but there is a sexual aspects so it is weird to imagine your parents interacting with this whole thing.
I read about fantasies like the one in OP's pic all the time and wonder if it ever could have happened. There had to be at least one scenario in history where a mother decided to baby her of-age, consenting adult son.
>>16092 Maybe in some insane Chris Chanesque home it could happen.
>>16077 >I would, although, get turned on by random teen TBDLs being taken care by THEIR parents, because, well, it's not my parents LOL, so it's easy to abstract myself from this and just get turned on by it. So like this? https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/07/05/327706802/faith-strengthens-aging-parents-as-they-care-for-their-son/
>>16157 Thank you so much for ruining my fantasy and painting the worse (and probably more realistic as well) scenario in which this would actually happen XD But jokes aside, swap the son for a some 15 years old japanese cute girl, who is not retarded, but like to act like a baby sometimes, and their parents end up taking part and actually engaging on her "kink". Now we are talking it.
>>16166 Intimate relationships provide no pleasure without a balance of power. That's why (consensual) incest is so rare between parent and child. In modern liberal societies, there are external power differences that are intractable on an individual level.
>>16180 >Intimate relationships provide no pleasure without a balance of power. This is soo not true. Intimate relationships without a balance of power are generally unhealthy and often lead to long-term pyschological problems, true, especially in our society today, however, this is completely unrelated to pleasure. Tons of people find pleasure in dominating others or submitting to others. It's a whole kink. Some people like to live it, some people wrongly force it on others, but it's silly to say it's never pleasurable.
>>16182 I'm talking actual power, not pretend power. And the people who supposedly enjoy abusing or being abused, are always delusional and think things are balanced when they are not. It's the entire reason why sex feeds into abuse: having "consensual" sex affirms that everything between you is balanced, even if it's not.
>>16186 >I'm talking actual power, not pretend power. And the people who supposedly enjoy abusing or being abused, are always delusional and think things are balanced when they are not. It's the entire reason why sex feeds into abuse: having "consensual" sex affirms that everything between you is balanced, even if it's not. This is entirely not true. Rapists gets off on power and know for certain the relationship is not balanced. And I would argue dominate/submissive types, in the moment, wish the domination/submission was total and real but their rational minds know that, once sex is over, they would not want to be in such a relationship when not horny. However, this is not everyone. Many people enjoy unequal relationships, now and throughout history. To say that women were not happily married, ever, for 2000 years because the relationships were not equal is naieve. Certainly, many were unhappy, but many were fine with it. You have a very myopic view of the human pysche based on what is currently accepted and the status quo. I'm not saying I disagree with equal relationships, as a very rational person I prefer them because they are the most stable for those thinking with their head. However, emotionally-driven people would probably find more stability in relationships based on power that superceded their present emotions - though that stability comes at a cost. Your thinking is far too simplistic, consider the thousands of years of human history and unequal relationships and realize that fetishizing domination and submission is related to a real desire for these things on an emotional/instinctual level, even if the modern mind in a civilized country can acknowledge it is probably a bad idea.
>>16187 Rapists are deluded and think that they are "taking power back" from "cruel temptresses" when they commit rape. That's the entire reason why less developed societies label "seduction" as a crime. >To say that women were not happily married, ever, for 2000 years because the relationships were not equal is naieve. Sure, some of them could have been happy if they got lucky and the illusion was never broken.
>>16187 This is actually wrong. It is possible for two entirely rational people to voluntarily enter into a permanent unequal-power relationship. The prerequisite for this sort of relationship is trust: the person giving power has to trust the person receiving it not to hurt her with it. Really ugly problems often come from a situation in which a person without the capability of consent must involuntarily trust someone else. Most of the time, this situation is called "parenting". The initial driver of a lot of these fetishes is when a child realizes he cannot trust his parents, and it fucks him up. You see the results of these fuck-ups by the way his fictional characters treat each other, and, in the worst cases, by the way he treats other people (occasionally children) in real life. Yior was a real site. Has anyone ever gotten to know an AB or DL who had a healthy childhood? I haven't. Especially not in the mirror. Of course, a child who no longer trusts his parents can easily become the prey of even worse people. If you want to know just how bad (or good, depending on your perspective) things can get, visualize "small child" or "baby" being added as one of the various identities/sexualities of modern transgenderism.
>>16205 The stories I like and the ones I write never contain forced diapering or humiliation. Does that mean I had a relatively good childhood for a diaper lover?
>>16217 Im the same way with my tastes and I had a good childhood. We were poor but my parents were and are still good people still going strong in marriage almost 40 years. In my case I think its just a factor of a few embarrassing accidents at 3-5 and the fact that I had several younger siblings who got a lot of attention.
>>16205 >Has anyone ever gotten to know an AB or DL who had a healthy childhood? I had a healthy childhood. I was picked on in school and cried a lot, but I still had friends and a healthy homelife, never spanked or slapped, I'd get "time out". When I look back at the ages of 5-12 it's happy memories. I had a good childhood, frankly I'm grateful for my parents. My adolescence was a little rocky, but I never got into too much trouble or anything. Just normal teen angst. I can only speak for myself, of course. I enjoy being the sub more than being the dom. From 18-20 I dated a girl a bit older than me and I was the dom. She really liked being choked in bed, and it made me very uncomfortable, it felt wrong to do, but she said it helped her "get off." I never requested any fetish or sub stuff I liked with her, since I knew she'd be turned off. My last ex was a switch so I was much more open about liking light bondage, AB/DL and other stuff. It helped some of my fetish's were also hers ( sadly not ab/dl) I didn't mind spanking, but I I also know what my own tolerance for pain is. The girl who I dated first was a bad communicator, so I never knew her limits. My last ex told me her limits if I spanked her. I was trusted I wasn't going to spank too hard, and while I did trust her I was never concerned she could spank me hard enough to really hurt me, but I guess that's the difference in genders. I also said no sticks or whips since it felt too "mean" to do. I trusted she wouldn't abuse the power I gave her when doming. Likewise she trusted me when it was my turn to be the dom. I know I rambled a bit.
>>16223 You and me both on the good childhood thing, I lived with my grandparents who took care of me. I was just picked on aswell in elementary and middle school like you


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