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/co/ Pain Thread 4: You go girl! Anonymous 07/27/2022 (Wed) 03:51:49 No. 27852
Welcome to the next thread for any & all /co/ related pain in comics, movies, or TV. Somehow the MCU's 4th phase is now over with a whole lot of nothing happening with a point to build up to. But hey now you're getting... Aztec Namor & Ironheart in Wakanda. I got a question. Wakanda niggas wear white & do dumb dances at a funeral for their king? Why do the buildings look like sand castle buildings you find in the middle east? I though Wakanda was super advanced. Next we got.... She-Hulk without the sex appeal & way less clever comedy. Fun. Least they're really determined to flanderize Daredevil now. Speaking of which, there's also 2 new animated shows coming to Disney+. The first, a continuation of the 90s X-men cartoon. Assuredly they won't ruin them like they have in movies & comics, right? Then the next is a prequel Spider-man show that makes literally no sense in the established MCU.
At this point why care. I wanted green /fit/ babe out of Shehulk and I'm barely getting that, and shoving Daredevil into something that's wildly different than the tone of the series I used to like him in just isn't a draw but the exact opposite. Oh Marvel/DC announced a fuckton of movies this year, what's new it's not like I'm obliged to watch any of them if they don't look interesting. Oh look, none of them look interesting!
>>27853 Oh believe me, I don't watch any of them either. It's just cathartic to talk about them sometimes & why they're bad. Like I admittedly would've liked a Black Panther movie years ago but they ruined it by niggerfying it to hell & back. Even the music of the trailer for this movie & the soundtrack of the first movie was just all nigger rap. We could've had some actual badass tribalistic ambiance but nooooo. Worked out for Disney though since niggers act like the last last movie was the most important milestone in black history.
>>27854 Well, let's drown in the cartharsis. Speaking of Black Panther's music, reminder that; that shit got nominated and WON an oscars for best music or sound design(I'm unsure which). Not to mention the hilarity of the whole arc of Wakanda in that movie is "We want to expand and reach out to the rest of the world with our kang technology" and the way they achieve that is going to some shithole in detroit or wherever and hanging out with little children instead of like addressing anything like how the first scene in the movie had human traffickers in Nigeria or wherever.
>>27856 Yeah & the movie wants to treat Kilmonger as somehow in the right at all. Hell it doesn't even make sense why he's a black supremacist that wants to rise up against the white man. His life sucked purely because of other black people! His father for betraying Wakanda to be a criminal, his uncle for leaving him behind, & just being stuck in a ghetto for the rest of his young life. He should be angry only at Wakanda then want expand from there just because. Instead they try to paint this narrative like he's a victim of circumstance because of muh evil white man. Niggers ate that shit up too. Whether the movie intended to or not, he's still the vicious villain that kills his own allies on a whim but still tries to make him sympathetic. It's just so messy. And yeah there's no effort to actual call out Wakanda's isolationism being the reason Africa is the way it is. They made no effort to stop the slave trade, cure illness, or even just educate people outside their kingdom. Yeah that's comic accurate but when you want the resolution to be Wakanda finally starts helping other people, it should be focused on their own continent full of people far worse off than little niglets in Detroit Chicago Philadelphia playing basketball.
What i find funny is that something i said years ago came to pass. As soon as they run out of the plots and characters people like, the MCU is dead on the water, people wanted to see the avengers doing cool stuff on the movie, not the current year shit, and thats exactly what happened, good riddance.
>>27558 >Bruce Timm The "Apokolips…Now!" episode from STAS proves that he could write good stories when he doesn't have Batwat dick in his mouth. I hope woke Abrams and Reeves won't stop the homo batwanker from doing his usual self-insert so "Batman: Caped Crusader" could fully realize its trainwreck potential. It's also shame he doesn't get to direct the live-action "Batgirl" movie, think about it, a batwanker killing the batwank, but then again, it's impossible and also, it's better for DC to churn out Batman during this woke era rather than raping good characters. >Barbara, and then later abandoned her (along with everyone else, due to stuff that happened in Return of the Joker) >for Bruce casting her aside (even though later we learn he had a good reason) What?! I haven't watched yet The Mystery of the Batgina (and I'm not looking forward to), but in BB it was clear that it was Barbara who left Bruce after she got tired of his endless bat autism. >>27647 >I kept hearing a lot of good things about Batman: White Knight but when I read it I just got a lot of dumb plot contrivances and shit like pic related all over the place I haven't read the original one, but they made Batman Beyond squeal and oh boy it is shit as usual if not even more look how they massacred my girl, Dana , though at least it has some great lulz worthy moments. There is also another shitty Batman Beyond comic running at the same time, yep, not one but two shitty BB comics at the same time MAKE IT STOP , however this also not your average shitty BB comic, in fact it's the worst comic I've read so far second one would be Golden Age Batwat I could barely stomach the prologue and two issues, I'm just skimming through the latter ones to avoid further brain damage. >>27783 >>27799 >nigger Robin I want to see adult nigger Robin in live action, it's what the batwankers deserves. >>27858 >As soon as they run out of the plots and characters people like MCU was always aimed at normalfags who had vague knowledge of said superheroes, however it was easier for the hacks to write them not completely awful (as they're A list characters) and as you said the audience have developed attachment to them and want to see more of them rather than new characters.
>>27859 Oh good lord it's the Bruce Timm hateboner autist.
>>27858 >As soon as they run out of the plots and characters people like, the MCU is dead on the water But they didn't run out. Not only could they have kept using the characters they were already using, whether they required recasting or not (like they recast the Hulk), but if they must use other characters, they could have used the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. Not only that, they could have just expanded the roles of the second stringers that were already there. Instead they decided to lean hard into SJW shit. They weren't out of ideas, they just deliberately ruined everything. Also, you're forgetting that nobody liked Iron Man or Thor before the MCU. Hell, people barely even knew about Captain America. And that's to say nothing of Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. The MCU was made of the characters that no movie studio wanted to license. Marvel movies were already the biggest trend for nearly a decade before the MCU (a full decade if you count Blade), but all the characters people actually cared about, X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Punisher, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, were all used up. Yes, Ghost Rider was much more popular than Iron Man in 2007, even if he was still much less popular than X-Men, Spider-Man, or Hulk. Marvel Studios got lucky they were able to use Hulk at all due to some rights reverting to them. >What?! I haven't watched yet The Mystery of the Batgina (and I'm not looking forward to), but in BB it was clear that it was Barbara who left Bruce after she got tired of his endless bat autism. Yeah but the idea is that he alienated everybody and made them leave. Because women aren't responsible for their own actions or decisions. What the fuck is "Batwat?" Stop it. Stop trying to coin your own phrases. >it was easier for the hacks to write them not completely awful (as they're A list characters) Iron Man and Thor were most definitely not A list characters. Captain America was B list at best, if you're being very generous. Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, D-listers all. But they weren't going full SJW, they were actually trying to make decent movies that people actually like (maybe not you, but normalfags at least), so the results were mediocre at worst. Now they're making movies nobody wants. They don't think anyone likes SJW shit, they think people SHOULD like SJW shit, and therefore they force it on you and are willing to destroy the companies they work for to do it. The MCU may die but the people that did this will live, and they never liked superheroes in the first place so they don't care that they ruined it. In fact, they are glad they did, because they saw it as being for males, and therefore they hate it.
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>>27862 >Yeah but the idea is that he alienated everybody and made them leave. Because women aren't responsible for their own actions or decisions. Yes, that's exactly the idea, he pushed Tim away too, though in his case it wasn't just due to be an autistic asshole, but presumably also out of guilt and safety. This has nothing to do with feminism and you haven't proved that it was by intention that Bruce was the one who cast Barbara away. Well, those characters were main ones at Marvel revival which is the base of modern Marvel and as I said those movies were aimed at normalfags. P.S. You didn't quote the other post regarding the MCU decline >>27858 >>27860 I literally began my post with a praise about him, he is great artist though his art suffers from sameface syndrome, he wrote an amazing two-part episode in STAS which I already mentioned and saved Terry from breaking with Dana and getting paired with worst girl Max instead. In addition, he wanted to create faithful Kamandi cartoon I wouldn't judge past what Kirby wrote, as every post Kirby writing Kamandi has been unexceptionally garbage which unfortunately got blocked by a dyke feminigger executive. With that being said, he is responsible to the abomination that was Epilogue, His "Batman and Harley Quinn" movie was shit and he also ruined "The Killing Joke" with his usual self-insert as female character who wants the batang inside her bleurgh . So as you can see I have fair and balanced view on him rather than just black and white.
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>>27857 It's just so fucking comically inept. It's like all of the posturing about being "African American" the African part more or less boils down to thick ugandan accents and dumb aesthetic choices.
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>>27864 Strange upload. Let me try again.
>>27862 But anon, they cant do the x-men or the fantastic 4 because sony owns them. >>27859 Of course they were movies for normalfags, but they were harmless popcorn flicks, now not even normalfags taht just wanted to consume ocassional hype capeshit stands them.
>>27866 Fox owned them. Disney now owns Fox. Sony only has rights to Spider-man & a bunch of other related Spider-man characters. They share it with Disney so No Way Home was really a split profit between the two companies.
>>27865 Hey, black guys are outside having sex, this kind of videos are just a white men thing.
>>27870 >he doesn't know about the black israelites or the yakuub kangz truthists Just because they're out raping doesn't mean blacks don't do the same race supremacy shit but way stupider since they have nothing to actually justify it.
>>27863 >Yes, that's exactly the idea, he pushed Tim away too, though in his case it wasn't just due to be an autistic asshole, but presumably also out of guilt and safety. This has nothing to do with feminism and you haven't proved that it was by intention that Bruce was the one who cast Barbara away. Tim isn't even mentioned until that movie that is effectively the series finale. I doubt it was thought of as far ahead as the beginning of the series when Barbara first shows up. >batang Stop it. >bleurgh Stop that too.
>>27852 >She-Hulk without the sex appeal In that she's ugly? The trailer has shots of her beginning coitus with some guy while in a short dress.
>>27862 >Also, you're forgetting that nobody liked Iron Man or Thor before the MCU. Hell, people barely even knew about Captain America. >And that's to say nothing of Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy >Guardians of the Galaxy Where does this line of thinking come from? Is it just X and Spiderfags who think that there is nothing besides their corners of Marvel? Captain America was well known. Iron Man was popular enough to warrant an animated series and people are wanking to ghost in the bottle to this day. Abnett's GotG had a reliable readership that managed to buck the tread of steady decline plaguing most other Marvel titles. Until Bendis was handed the reigns. And most of these rights were actually sold in the 90s. Hollywood studios barely did anything with them until rights eventually reverted back to Marvel.
>>27852 > The first, a continuation of the 90s X-men cartoon. Oh no. Not like this. Not like this.
>>27876 She ain't no bombshell, that's for sure. Terrible CGI obviously hindered by overworked VFX artists doesn't help. >>27878 Oh yes, anon. Just like this. Or would you rather have the comic continuation?
>>27879 Gambit's simultaneously the luckiest and unluckiest fucker in his love-life.
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>>27852 >We Wuz Panthers 'n' Sheeit I actually didn't mind the run with Shuri as Black Panther in the comics. Never really took to T'Challa, to be honest. I was pretty appalled when I saw they'd rewritten Shuri to be a Mary Sue with meme shit and a fucking attitude problem. "Be quiet, colonizer!" Hey, cunt, maybe if your country of miserly faggots had shared the wealth, the jewboats wouldn't have dragged away so many slaves and we'd all be happier. >Shulkie Love how her hair's perfectly styled when she hulks out instead of the jewfro she's rocking. I could have sworn Alison Brie was supposed to be Jen back when this was announced.
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>>27879 >born in full uniform Who made this shitty comic?
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Something just doesn't seem right here.
>>27879 >Inserting the modern crackwhorea shit into the 90s What's the point of the comic then?
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>>27879 Gambit being a cheeky fuck as always. Also, why the fuck is cable arresting deadpool? They are buddies. >>27888 To piss everyone off of course.
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>>27881 You probably find Shuri BP more appealing because women in skintight bodysuits is appealing. I don't blame you. Honestly I've never even read BP comics. >>27882 Steve Foxe. Not much credit to his name. >>27888 Synergy, trips-man.
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>>27872 >I doubt it was thought of as far ahead Batman Beyond wasn't planned, genius! It doesn't matter when something was planned, all that matters is if it makes sense and makes for a good writing . There are a lot of major issues with ROTJ and I'm not a big fan of Tim getting tortured, however the following state in his relationship with Bruce is logical conclusion and goes along with Batman Beyond' premise. Even if your weak tea retarded argument is taken to consideration, BB premise is that Bruce ended up all alone and isolated due to his selfish and poor behavior and new unrelated Batman came along. Dini and Timm already pushed this idea when they went from BTAS somewhat bland but kind Bruce to soft reboot TNBA insufferable asshole Bruceshit. Barbara stayed with Bruce until she got sick of his crap, realizing that he will never change and always put his crime fighting obsession over his loved ones. The earlier scene when Barbara makes a snarky remark doesn't contradict it and of course she would hold grudge for the person who is her ex and former boss. Your questionable claim that it was Bruce who intentionally cast her aside and for good reason which we supposedly learned about later on is complete asspull and utter bullshit! If you want to complain about feminism in BB then there is Max, but Barbara?! Nah. You're exactly like those dumb liberals who see racism everywhere. >>27866 I was talking about those movies appealing to normalfags in the context of choice and replacement/addition of characters rather than sjw crap.
>>27879 It has been a long time since I cared about the Xmen. What's wrong besides the most generic shit? Also let's forgive all the mutants which are, basically, fucking psychopaths.
>>27895 It's doing the same thing the current comics are doing in the mainline. X-men & all mutants now live on a living island called Krakoa. Making essentially an mutant ethnostate with immunity for all past crimes. Essentially Charles has made his own Genosha. Kicker is they've figured out a way to "resurrect" dead mutants through totally not cloning these pods that recreate their living bodies.
>>27896 Oh, it was another timeline? well, fuck Marvel and fuck the X-men. I wish I could draw to make my Captain Batman Gordon and his unit of superhuman crimes investigation.
>>27897 Yeah the pages I posted above are a continuation comic of the 90s series now copying that element from the mainline series. Also Wolverine is in a polyamorous relationship with Jean & Cyclops.
>>27890 more suprised he would help bishop do anything.
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>>27898 Even before the disney takeover, why the fuck was marvel so obsessed with fucking over scott and ruining his relationship with jean? >>27899 That too, but i just have a soft spot for cable and deadpool's antics after cable & deadpool.
>>27902 Same reason they're obsessed with never letting Peter Parker be happy in a stable relationship. The status quo is more important than good progressing stories.
>>27903 I get that, but it seems they go out of their way to fuck him over, i know hes not the most popular character but come on, that would be like constantly fucking with and emasculating leonardo in the TMNT because raph is more popular.
>>27904 Like I said, simply just easy drama to fuck over characters to keep them from changing or making them worse so they're more "interesting". >that would be like constantly fucking with and emasculating leonardo in the TMNT because raph is more popular. Haha yeah. Imagine if a show did that.
>>27905 Didnt they stright up make him a villain? >Haha yeah. Imagine if a show did that. What did they do to my boy leo?
>>27906 At one point Cyclops hosted the Phoenix force to forcibly police the world. X-men & Avengers stopped that. Leo's not the leader in this show. Raph is. Leo is basically treated like a bumbling incompetent idiot who gets shown up by the rest of his brothers. Constantly tripping over himself in slapstick fashion. Same show turned Splinter into a fat washed up celebrity that abuses his sons. The voice actors for the turtles are also all niggers or kikes. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Y_fCOoK5oYc
>>27907 Jesus christ, is that show atleast over?
>>27908 Yes...... but it's getting a Netflix movie. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=viDiinipw8A
>>27909 Of fucking course. Well atleast i got shredder's revenged, thats more that i can say about the x-men.
>>27910 Yes but we still have to live with the IDW TMNT comics that went to shit after a tranny took over as head writer. He even shoved in a turtle OC as a mutated foot ninja turned turtle with a yellow eyeband. Even gave her a lesbian pig love interest. Then, even worse, there's still the upcoming Seth Rogen TMNT movie project in the works.
>>27881 >the jewboats wouldn't have dragged away so many slaves the jewboats wouldn't have bought so many looser slaves from the victors of those midwestern african tribe wars*
>>27914 How, exactly, were they "loose?"
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>>27887 >Something just doesn't seem right here. No shit. A normal writer who wasn't a faggot would have had Batman just stand there until they put down the TVs and GTFO of there. One day there will be an accounting for every single sentence written by these pieces of shit.
>>27887 >Something just doesn't seem right here Yeah, Batman doesn't beat poor people and follow the law like the rigid autist he is. >>27916 >would have had Batman just stand there I don't think that's the main issue. >>27904 >because raph is more popular Aren't all of them more popular than leo? He is boring and annoying leader type, the only things he has going are his blue color and swords. >>27905 Mike and Leo look like Venus...I wish Playmates didn't fuck up and made accurate toys of them, it's the only good thing that could've come out of this trash. >>27908 The toyline barely lasted one-two waves whereas the 2012 was consistently on the shelves for at least 5 years and had one the greatest playsets ever made. I don't like the 2012 series either, but the first release turtles' designs were great looking and had gorgeous sculpts. >>27911 >Then, even worse, there's still the upcoming Seth Rogen TMNT movie project in the works Sounds like they're really trying to make Playmates go bankrupt...now Playmates switched and relies on Miraculous Ladybug as their bread and butter, this how far TMNT and playline action figures have fallen. >Seth Rogan Will it be worse than the Bay Turtles?
>>27887 Yeah, nu-Batman doesn't care if a bunch of "peaceful protesters" burn and loot a bunch of Mom and Pop stores. But as soon as they start marching towards Wayne Manor, they're the lowest of scum.
>>27877 >Where does this line of thinking come from? Is it just X and Spiderfags who think that there is nothing besides their corners of Marvel? Captain America was well known. Iron Man was popular enough to warrant an animated series and people are wanking to ghost in the bottle to this day. Captain America was well known, not as a character but as a symbol and a name. Nobody knew his story, his villains, his supporting characters. Iron Man was popular enough to have an abysmal failure of an animated series, and nobody remembered it the instant it was cancelled. >Abnett's GotG had a reliable readership Relative to post-crash comics, which means nothing relative to the general population. I'm not talking about quality here. You might as well say normalfags love Booster Gold. >And most of these rights were actually sold in the 90s. Hollywood studios barely did anything with them until rights eventually reverted back to Marvel. Who had the rights to these particular properties? I wasn't even aware. But either way, the fact that those studios didn't actually care enough to use the rights still proves the point. >>27893 >this autist This post doesn't disagree with a single material fact in the post you're replying to, but you act like it does. Also, your interpretation of Timm's Barbara Gordon is forgetting other things he has created with the character, like that terrible Killing Joke movie. Though it is not the same universe, it certainly informs his interpretation of the character. >Batman Beyond wasn't planned, genius! It doesn't matter when something was planned, all that matters is if it makes sense and makes for a good writing >Your questionable claim that it was Bruce who intentionally cast her aside and for good reason which we supposedly learned about later on is complete asspull and utter bullshit! These two arguments contradict each other. You're also misunderstanding the first argument you were replying to there, as one was specifically talking about the author's intent, while the second was talking about the story. You ignore the author's intent for an argument that was specifically about the author's intent, but then say the author's intent is important when replying to an argument that was specifically about the end effect of the overall story. >I was talking about those movies appealing to normalfags in the context of choice and replacement/addition of characters rather than sjw crap. Normalfags don't like that shit either, though.
>>27909 if there's a bright side to the the Rise movie, is that it's too many years too late to make much of a difference. Sad in that the animation for it is very very close to something like Motorcity which was good.
>>27920 >I don't think that's the main issue. Is it not? Batman's compassion for the poor is balanced by his sense of right and wrong. I've got a couple of Batman comics buried in my pile where Batman and Robin, on separate occasions, have felt sympathy for the thieves while still forcing them to do the right thing. Then they usually make an anonymous donation or offer the perps a Waynetech job the next day. Batman letting some poor bastard's insurance premiums go up in the service of social justice is fucking disgusting.
>>27933 Yeah it's out of character for someone like Batman who's supposed to be obsessed with his war on crime but has a compassion for people genuinely down on their luck. Hell he even tries to give his villains chances to change for the better. Course they never do but that's how he is. Problem is two fold. One is that comics don't have an end point for characters or the world so villains can't just be reformed. Problem two, being more relevant here, is that out of character writing happens because there's no strict editorial guidelines/continuity oversight to keep things consistent among writers.
>>27907 >Leo is basically treated like a bumbling incompetent idiot who gets shown up by the rest of his brothers. Isn't that Donnie's shtick? >>27887 >>27916 >>27920 >>27921 >>27933 >>27934 I think you guys all missed the Wayne Tech logo on the TV being stolen. As in, Bruce is delighted in watching as his company's merchandise is being stolen.
>>27935 Donnie wasn't incompetent. He's a dork & a tech geek but he was always a major contribution to the team dynamic. Michelangelo if anything is the comic relief but even he shouldn't be falling all over himself. That's even worse. Sure his company doesn't make a profit but the real problem is the store loses profits, inventory, & takes it out of the pay of the employees. It's horrific writing to have Bruce just shrug it off.
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>>27935 >Isn't that Donnie's shtick? More like Mikey's, but not really, since he's mentally the youngest and no one really expects much from him. >>27935 >I think you guys all missed the Wayne Tech logo on the TV being stolen. I missed nothing. Bruce is going to let the insurance companies pay for it instead of stopping the thieves with a warning or getting Waynetech to replace them. That's not Batman's way.
>>27942 Selling Waynetech brand TV's doesn't mean the store is owned by Waynetech. Probably a shitty chain struggling for business.
>>27935 >As in, Bruce is delighted in watching as his company's merchandise is being stolen. My TVs got stolen today. I was really bummed about it. But I think whoever stole it was probably more happy to get it than I am sad to lose it. The total happiness in the world increased. ♫ So whatever.
>>27943 That makes the image even worse. Bruce's company is selling those TVs to retailers, and then those retailers make money buy selling the TVs to the public. So, Bruce has nothing to worry about as he's still making money off of those stolen TVs, but those retailers are losing money because they have to rebuild everything from scratch. Where's the justice in that?
>>27959 >Corpo-rat CEO tacitly approves of looting as long as it doesn't effect his bottom line. At least it's accurate, also didn't Batman have a villain that was basically the Black Bloc personified? Or do they just not use Anarky anymore?
>>27959 Yes exactly.
>>27925 >Who had the rights to these particular properties? I wasn't even aware. But either way, the fact that those studios didn't actually care enough to use the rights still proves the point. They sure cared enough to buy them. In the 90s Marvel was selling off the rights because of financial troubles. Most studios bought something, scripts were commissioned, and some films entered development. What stopped them was risk aversion and typical development hell. Fox had everything X-Men and Fantastic 4 related, Daredevil, and likely few more. They let Daredevil rights lapse to Marvel after the Elektra movie. Universal has Namor and partially the Hulk and related characters. Other characters are more hazy due to the chaos in the 90s and confidential deals. Captain America bounced quite until rights finally went back to Marvel. Lionsagate had Iron Fist, the Black Widow, the Man-Thing and the Punisher. Colombia owned some rights too, like Black Panther for example. Sony at one point bought almost all major characters, but they decided to Stick with Spider-Man. Thor was in their hands too until they let them lapse.
>>27935 nu-Batman is sitting idly by as stores are looted and burned down. Why? Because these people have a "right to do so" and the "insurance companies will cover it all." That's just the writer's insert political opinion.
>>27925 >doesn't disagree with a single material fact in the post you're replying to Then why the hell try to weaken the ROTJ film argument without any further acknowledgement that the general idea is true?! > Also, your interpretation of Timm's Barbara Gordon is forgetting other things he has created with the character, like that terrible Killing Joke movie I literally mentioned it in my overview of Timm' career ffs. You're forgetting that DCAU wasn't just one-man project and while Timm was involved in the production of BB series, he hasn't written a single episode so to claim that post-TNBA Barbara or even TNBA Barbara (he wrote two episodes none of which had her character in it) is completely his own writing is absolutely ridiculous. In contrast, Amanda Waller in the abominable Epilogue was completely Timm' self-insert and her writing was awful as it can get and didn't make any sense what so ever. >These two arguments contradict each other >You ignore the author's intent for an argument that was specifically about the author's intent, but then say the author's intent is important when replying to an argument that was specifically about the end effect of the overall story No, they aren't at all! I guess you confused this sentence: " Dini and Timm already pushed this idea when they…." as author intent when in fact I described the story ("…insufferable asshole Bruceshit"), in other words the events that happened in TNBA (Bruce being workaholic manipulative asshole which did lead to Dick leaving Bruce and such) go along and align with BB' premise and Barbara leaving Bruce in BB despite BB not being planned. The opposing claim that anon has made about supposedly that it was Bruce who left Barbara hasn't been given any sort of evidence; it wasn't mentioned in BB, not ROTJ and neither Mystery of the Batwoman. >Normalfags don't like that shit either, though Well duh, that's what I said in my original post you tryhard idiot. And you blamed me for arguing for the sake of arguing when you're the one who actually does it. Go ahead and call me autist, I'm literally am one so whatever.
>>27982 >They sure cared enough to buy them. In the 90s Marvel was selling off the rights because of financial troubles. Exactly. See the issue here. Studios bought up every property they could get their hands on because a bankrupt Marvel was selling them for dirt cheap. That's a far cry from actually making a movie. The rights are the least of the problems when it comes to making most licensed studio movies. Getting the rights to Fantastic Four wasn't the hard part, waiting until Marvel was a big enough theatrical draw to make them confident in a Fantastic Four movie was, hence why they made a whole ashcan film just to keep the rights, in the hopes that one day making a real movie would be a good idea. The ones that Marvel Studios was built on were the ones that no studio cared enough to make movies out of, or to even make ashcan films just to keep the rights. Except Hulk. They got lucky with Hulk. >>27986 >Timm didn't write Barb episodes of Beyond He was producer and had significant say. TV shows are never just the product of the credited writer. The credited writer is the guy who does the initial draft, which may be vastly different than the product that ends up getting made, after having the input of a small country put upon it. >tryhard That word doesn't mean what you think it means. >I literally am one Well that was obvious.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8wm9ti-gzLM Hahahahah Haha... Hah... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>27986 >>28004 I guess I'll put my two cents in and say that Timm needs to lay off the Bat-Titty and Dini needs to give it up with The Harley Queer Show. Because they're only helping DC to push the real money even further away. What hasn't been done with fucking Batman? Hell, Grant Morrison made him into a cowboy and pirate. Enough with the Batman, Harley, and fucking Joker.
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>>28004 >Timm didn't write Barb episodes of Beyond Let's be precise here you disingenuous moron, again Timm hasn't written a single episode of BB and DCAU isn't one man project! >He was producer and had significant say. No deny here, genius. It doesn't mean that Timm gets the whole credit as you moron trying to claim and downplay others' major contributions. >TV shows are never just the product of the credited writer. And by the same token they're not just the product of the producer either, stupid. See above. >The credited writer is the guy who does the initial draft, which may be vastly different than the product that ends up getting made, after having the input of a small country put upon it He still gets to write the whole thing, your pathetic attempt to discredit and belittle the importance of DCAU writers is utterly disgusting and idiotic! Fuck you for disregarding the first and only good episode with best girl Curare! "A Touch of Curaré" is another terrific episode in the entire excellent season one and a great episode through and through. The scene of which Barbara talks with Terry about her and Bruce shared past is touching, pleasantly written, goes smoothly with BB' premise and add so much to it, not to mention of course aligning with predecessor TNBA' events. And to completely credit it to Timm is complete foolishness to its core. We both know very well what atrocities happen when Timm actually writes something involving his shitty husbando. All you're just left with is even weaker tea retarded argument. >That word doesn't mean what you think it means. I know exactly what it means and you're the perfect example of it with your lousy arguments. >Well that was obvious. Sure thing, normalfaggot. I argue about things I deeply care about, you just talk out of your ass and proven to be a lame casualfag. You don't give a shit about BB or even DCAU to great extent, you're just a casualfag retard with poor knowledge. >>28009 >Dini needs to give it up with The Harley Queer Show WTF are you talking about?! He isn't even involved with this show! Just because him and Timm created her doesn't mean they're in every project she shows up, it's not like they have control on their creation, it's owned by a corp. >guess I'll put my two cents Less than two seeing your egregious claim above. >Because they're only helping DC to push the real money even further away What do you mean? The eternal batwank cashcow is the only thing that keeps DC relevant. 80's prior it was Superman that got wanked. >Timm needs to lay off the Bat-Titty Well sorry to tell you, but Timm and your other favorites, Abrams and Reeves are going to make another Batman cartoon for everyone' enjoyment! >Enough with the Batman, Harley, and fucking Joker I agree, however until the woke era ends, I rather have endless batwank.
>>28010 >WTF are you talking about?! He isn't even involved with this show! Just because him and Timm created her doesn't mean they're in every project she shows up, it's not like they have control on their creation, it's owned by a corp. That maybe so. But under-the-table-creative-insight can and does happen with such things. >What do you mean? The eternal batwank cashcow is the only thing that keeps DC relevant. No it's not. They went hard with the LGBT crap, made almost every popular character bi and/or gay, and are still not making any money. Even the fucking crazy black homeless Batwoman is not pulling any money. It's sad because DC ruined itself to appease people that don't even read/watch the shit they pumped out for. SJWs never do. They just send in mail-in-demands to these companies then move on to the next. >Well sorry to tell you, but Timm and your other favorites, Abrams and Reeves are going to make another Batman cartoon for everyone' enjoyment! And that is also what has helped DC to go broke. They have other interesting characters at their disposal and wont use them. Even Pisney has been using obscure Marvel characters to promote SJW agendas.
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>>28023 The important thing about She-Hulk is that Jennifer is under control of herself & able to use her powers naturally. Problem here is that they make it out to be like she's stronger & able to get herself out of a sudden panicking situation for no reason. She should never be stronger than Bruce or as adept at this point to just launch herself back up instantly. The only point of Bruce being there to "teach" her is just to make fun of him.
>>28023 Isn't getting drunk the whole point of drinking? >>28024 The hulk even in the mcu has already displayed far greater feats of strength than what is shown in this clip, but yeah it's pretty clear the intent of the writers is that Jennifer is better. Muscle mass doesn't account for much apparently.
>>28026 >Isn't getting drunk the whole point of drinking? It is if you're depressive or just want to kill yourself.
>>28023 >>28024 >She-Hulk She is stupid vaginawash character to begin with and the only good thing about her pointless existence is being a muscle girl. I mean the whole schtick with Hulk was being modern rendition of Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde with capeshit twist on it as Kirby did and wasted his talent in Marvel and getting all his works degraded by Stan Lee' hackery. As with any MCU crap, Hasblow put all their effort and cheapskate budget into. The base muscle girl body is really good (could use slight tweaking in the hip era, make it more feminine) and I hope they're allowed to and will reuse it for a good comic ver she-hulk figure. mfw great Big Barda action dolls and action figures are never ever >>28027 There are some happy getting drunk cultures like in Germany with their Oktoberfest. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fvV5mryQF1I >>28015 >But under-the-table-creative-insight can and does happen with such things >muh assumption >source: trust me bro You'll need a lot more than that to blame this shit on Dini. >No it's not >are still not making any money You just contradicted yourself, anon as you admitted that anything not Batfag is failing. >Even the fucking crazy black homeless Batwoman That shit got canceled ages ago. To your reminder Da Batman movie made $770.8 million and is the fourth-highest-grossing film of 2022. They stayed relatively low on SJW shit, because again Batman is DC scared cashcow and the only thing that keeps them afloat. >DC ruined itself Along time ago, when both them and Marvel stopped making comics for kids and started making comics for "adults" because capeshit is le serious business. But the real redpill is that big corps are always shit and it is individual creatives who are good. >And that is also what has helped DC to go broke Again, batwank sell well almost no matter what it is and DC is a lot more cautious with him. >They have other interesting characters at their disposal and wont use them Good, I don't want to see them getting raped. I don't understand why you want it though... >has been using obscure Marvel characters to promote SJW agendas Yeah and the MCU is dying as a result, normalfags couldn't care less about those characters and the sjw crap doesn't help either.
>>28027 >It is if you're depressive or just want to kill yours Then why drink alcohol instead of some other drink?
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>>28010 First of all, I never said the other writers didn't have impact. I was arguing that your downplaying of Timm's involvement is dumb. Secondly, you have no idea how autistic I am for the DCAU. I bet you didn't even watch it in proper viewing order. I bet you didn't even know to watch Justice League's "Twilight" before Static Shock's "A League of their Own," and to watch "Blast From the Past" between "A League of their Own" parts I and II. The problem isn't that you're autistic, it's that you're autistic in the wrong way, that stops you from understanding simple things but doesn't help you understand trivial but fun things. It also leaves you speaking very idiosyncratically and sounding like a retard. Stop trying to coin your own phrases. >>28029 >She is stupid vaginawash character to begin with and the only good thing about her pointless existence is being a muscle girl. Not true. Originally she was treated as a significantly different character, and her stories had very little to do with Hulk. Her stories were very little like Hulk stories. She was not meant to be a replacement, and she wasn't even very similar anyway. She was given her own gimmicks and appeal. And then feminists took it all away and just made her an awful copy of Hulk, in the name of making her better, somehow. And for the record, Supergirl was also not just a female version of Superman until SJWs got to her either. Batgirl was always feminist shit, though. At least starting with Barbara Gordon (nobody cares about the original Batgirl anyway). >I mean the whole schtick with Hulk was being modern rendition of Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde with capeshit twist on it as Kirby did and wasted his talent in Marvel and getting all his works degraded by Stan Lee' hackery. Jack Kirby only did like the first six issues of Hulk, which then got cancelled, and then he did a few guest appearances, like in Avengers. Steve Ditko, who did the second Hulk series, once he got his own stories in Tales to Astonish, deserves a large amount of credit for what people remember Hulk as, since those first six issues were full of ideas that didn't work and got tweaked as they went on. And for all the things you could talk bad about Lee for, I can't imagine what issues you have with his work on Kirby's Incredible Hulk. Except for the time he forgot Bruce Banner's name and called him Bob. That was pretty notable. But not anything that ruined the story.
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>>28044 <I never said the other writers didn't have impact. I was arguing that your downplaying of Timm's involvement is dumb You disingenuous nigger you tried to credit Barbara' writing to Timm and tried pull this crap as if the producer is a god. I never denied his impact whereas you suddenly mention the existence of writers only after I brought it up twice, you disgusting liar. <you have no idea how autistic I am >'Memeber how I insult you for being an autist, ackshually I'm not a failed normalgroid, I'm an autist too just like all the cool kids! <but muh view order! Nigger if you actually gave shit and were autistic and not a literal retard, you would look up behind the scenes, writers, etc. You didn't even know that the initial anon claim about Bruce being the one who left Barbara has no backup to it what so ever, yet you were so thrilled to argue in favor of it, making a complete buffoon out of yourself and continuing so doing. You can't even try to go on and refute my claim about how the scene of Barbara talk with Terry or even how the episode "A Touch of Curaré" in general isn't great. You're a literal retard casualfaggot and no more. >she was treated as a significantly different character So fucking what! Of course, they won't make a literal retard female character as it is revolting. >had very little to do with Hulk Nigger, she is literally called She-HULK and has almost the same powers and similar appearance. >She was not meant to be a replacement Duh, just like Supergirl, she is a lazy uncreative vaginawash version. But unlike Supergirl her character is even more stupid as she lost what made Hulk unique in order to make her appealing; having similar personality disorder like in the Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. >she wasn't even very similar anyway. She was given her own gimmicks and appeal See above, she only keeps the powers without the twist added to them. She sucks and isn't unique at all. >Jack Kirby only did like the first six issues of Hulk He did only five you self-proven casualfaggot. The six one was by Steve Ditcko making up bullshit with Stan Lee. >which then got cancelled Even so, it laid the base for Hulk character and as I've said it then got degraded. >And for all the things you could talk bad about Lee for, I can't imagine what issues you have with his work Of course, you can't casualfaggot because you haven't read them! Not that it would matter if you actually did as you're genuine retarded with minimal reading comprehension.
>>28048 Most female capeshit heroines are only good for cheesecake eyecandy. They should not be real heroes though. They exist purely for the gimmick of having a vagina.
Somehow, the creators of Brickleberry are still producing cartoons: https://archive.ph/sEfSb
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>>28023 >Jenny-Sue >"Hay guise, I can lift over 40 tons but did you know I could lift myself?!" >"Hey, Jen, I know that it sucks having a body that's female perfection and being strong enough to punch a rhino to death, so how about I show you a positive: you can never get drunk again. So you can spend thousands of dollars on expensive drinks and never even feel a buzz, when you could just be drinking soda pop!" Fucking Mark Ruffalo. I bet he nearly orgasmed when he found out he'd be replacing himself with a stronk womXn.
>>28050 The Brickleberry guys are suspect as all fuck. They show full male nudity at all times on Paradise PD but you never get any tits that aren't the Captain's when his testosterone patch wears off.
>>28010 >>28015 You guys sound like Dr. Smith and the Robot arguing, you know that? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyH33DXusTY&t=7s
Good news, everyone! The Batgirl movie has been axed by DC! It will no longer be released on ANY platform! https://archive.ph/B0OM0
>>28057 unexpected. They seemed detetmined to lose money to oush an agenda.
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>>28057 Serves them right for using the gay-ass leather suit. >"Alright, you and Knuckles go down through the skylight, and me an' Crust'll go through the--" >"Shh! Did you hear that?!" >"Is it the Bat?!" >"Naw, man. I ran with Joker's crew. You NEVAH hear the Bat." >"Well I hear something! Sounds like... the squeak of an entire suit made from leather?" >*SQUEAK* >"She's ovah there! Shoot!"
>>28050 >>28054 My faggot of a brother keep watching them, so you guys might be into something. >>28053 How long until Marvel and Disney die? I'm exausted of all that shit they keep pushing. Also, didn't they replace ironnigglett for a chink?
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>>28031 >see this pic >certain it's some troll edit >search it just to make sure >IT'S REAL! IT'S FUCKING REAL! This is the most shocking thing I've seen as plastic crack addict. I mean I also thought I'll never see a fat barbie, but this? THIS?! I can't believe it's not error or something…it has to be, it has to be. So Hasbro is no longer stratified with just making overpriced cheap knockoff quality playline toys thanks to their licenseshit monopoly, now they inject pc crap to boys toys…and boys toys are almost completely immune to that crap (like the only major example I can think of is Captain Planet), unlike girls toys that always gets all the crap because they have to be "educational" and "appropriate", bah. There are unbelievably so many dumb controversies and shoved propaganda surrounding girl toys coming both authoritarian left and right not realizing that toys aren't real or worse just wanting to groom girls because they're more easily impressionable. Like with boys' toys a controversy is usually about kid actually getting killed for crying out loud, but no skipper growing a chest will make girls grow up to be whores or Barbie being super thin will make girls grow up to be anorexic. We should let girls only play with baby dolls or have a fashion doll with vitiligo. And the hypocrite dyke feminiggers are completely silence about it, because as I said girls are easy target to propaganda and a woman' greatest enemy is another woman. It's like the Victorian notion of educating and raising a lady never left and is deeply embedded in Western society to this very day even among lefties, not that I have a harsh objection to it in its original historical context when there was also high demands and expectations for men. Hasbro and Mattel should just burn to death like DC and Marvel, both became giant corps who swallowed almost all their competitors. >>28049 >Most female capeshit heroines are only good for cheesecake eyecandy Which is why they suck. >They should not be real heroes though No, if a character gets a good amount of screen-time, then it should be developed. Any writer should aspire to have both his characters and plot to be interesting and good, as both depend on each other and either weakens or strengths each other. As for nicely~well written female superheros take for example DCSHG despite being mostly a comedy show. Diana is given a more rounded and developed character; she is perfectionist to a fault in which she would emotionally collapse, she is smart and kind but often have hard and failing at reading the room and understanding social cues due to coming from what would be considered a different word, but she is also arguably a bit autistic. She is charismatic and moving as a leader figure should be. Not to mention a lot can be learn and seen from her different interactions with different groups of people, such as her tense relationship with her mother which she hopes to please and impress in contrast to, as expected, more easy going attitude with her friends. It does help a lot that the show has good portion of slice of life which the lack of it is something that I usually find very annoying and disappointing in capeshit, especially when it's a character that supposed to have secret identity. >They exist purely for the gimmick of having a vagina. >dumb horndog just want a mindless fan service Pleb, the best fan service is the one that goes smoothly with the plot and it is part of it.
>>28057 Finally, some victory for the gingers! >>28058 >lose money to oush an agenda They cancelled it because their streaming service is failing, not because go woke go broke. I would've agreed with you if it got released and bombed. >>28061 >gay-ass leather suit I don't think leather is necessarily bad, I mean the Catwoman suit in Burton' film was cool and good looking. This suit however, is just too thick and wrinkly and has terrible design, it's like fantasy inspired armor but actually completely modern and looks dull and boring. >>*SQUEAK* I think you demand too much realism for capeshit, whether Batman wears leather fabric or not he is completely vulnerable to bullets which he dodges by his plotarmor, unless you take the actual heavy armored suit that the Nolan and Reeves films have.
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>>28023 Wow. Disney/Marvel's own bootleg Shrek and Fiona. >>28029 >You'll need a lot more than that to blame this shit on Dini. You go on about Kamandi. But Dini had all this time to push for an animated series.Whereas Timm has his BTAS remake coming to CN. >You just contradicted yourself, anon as you admitted that anything not Batfag is failing. Gotham High sucked. The Batman sucked. 55% of the people that paid to see the latter suffered from buyer's remorse. >That shit got canceled ages ago. Amazon, iTunes, Apple TV. Nobody's really buying the shit. >Along time ago, when both them and Marvel stopped making comics for kids and started making comics for "adults" because capeshit is le serious business There's a right and wrong way to go about making comics for a mature audience. And thinking that tons of sex, violence, and F-bombs is what makes a mature comic a mature comic; wrong way to go about it. >Again, batwank sell well almost no matter what it is and DC is a lot more cautious with him. That sagging Bat-Titty must be running dry. Because DC can barely stay in the Top 50 with sales. >Good, I don't want to see them getting raped. I don't understand why you want it though.. That's not the point. But whatever. >Yeah and the MCU is dying as a result, normalfags couldn't care less about those characters and the sjw crap doesn't help either. Bitch, demand, then move on. That's all they do. If they so cared, they'd consume their own damn products. But, no. Straight males such as me gotta do it. >>28049 >They exist purely for the gimmick of having a vagina. When you have, gadgets, powers, and money to boot. That's not really needed. >>28050 They were the better Tim and Eric when they had The Damn Show. Don't know about their latter stuff. But Brickleberry made me laugh at times, especially the song Miracle Lake. >>28057 Excellent.
>>28069 I'm worried the rumours about Joker 2 being a musical with Lady Gaga might be true or not mostly because I enjoyed joker for being a remake of an actual good old movie. Today that's more than what hollywood is cappable to do. Probably is going to be shit or be coopted by the people who shat on the movie and their fans to begin with.
>>28065 When most female superheroes are just the existing male heroes but with a vagina, there's little reason to have them exist in the first place. Their stories will only be worse versions of the male original's stories. Thus why they're only good for porn.
>>28069 >Kamandi It was never made, the only reason we even know about it is because Timm himself talked about it, whereas Harley Quinn Show is actually released without any credit to Dini besides the fact he created her character, that kind of show isn't even Dini's writing style. It's oranges and apples, your comparison is completely retarded. Furthermore, Dini has been working on Batman: The Adventures Continue you clueless fool just like you didn't have any idea about the upcoming Batman: Caped Crusader cartoon. >55% of the people that paid to see the latter suffered from buyer's remorse Source? Not that I expect any from you. >Amazon, iTunes, Apple TV. Nobody's really buying the shit CW shows are aired outside of HBO Max and CW, but now most streaming services trying to focus on creating their own exclusive content. No denying they're failures. >There's a right and wrong way to go about making comics for a mature audience Anon, capeshit is a childish genre, trying to make it for adults only is stupid. >sex, violence, and F-bombs These and the vast yet shallow social commentary are what sets apart capeshit for adults from capeshit for children. Capeshit has become a trend among normalfags because society has become infantile, and even then normalfags don't care deeply about that shit like some of us do. >Because DC can barely stay in the Top 50 with sales Both big two are doing shit with comics and survive on live-action crap for normalfags. >That's not the point It clearly is as you want other characters to get adaptations in current year. >Bitch, demand, then move on. That's all they do. If they so cared, they'd consume their own damn products. But, no. Straight males such as me gotta do it What are you even talking about at this point?! We initially argue about how only Batman makes money for DC, you tried to counterargue that by giving an example how even Marvel started to branch out of their main characters, yet those aren't making money either which makes this counterargument worthless. >>28071 >there's little reason to have them exist in the first place. Their stories will only be worse versions of the male original's stories It depends on each character, like Supergirl could become her own thing, but something like She-Hulk is pointless.
>>28073 What can you even do with Supergirl that wouldn't just be retreading or replacing Superman?
>>28075 Take advantage of her dual identity being different and younger. Her longest lasting classic run put her in college and used her being superpowered to put spins on a bunch of classic college student plots. Also have her take the place of a princess to protect her from assassination.
>>28077 >college No. >Also have her take the place of a princess to protect her from assassination. Little tired too but can at least be a simple short story arc.
>>28078 This was a 1970s college, before they became communist indoctrination centers.
>>28079 Pretty sure the 70s is exactly when the commie rhetoric really kicked in though. Especially through hippies. So no even having it take place in the past would be a dumb idea.
>>28081 >blood >swearing Ooooh so edgy. How & why does Mikey have hair? Why does he look like 70 years old?
>>28082 There's time travel involved.
>>28081 If leo knew Mikey was capable of creating a time portal, why didn't they do it earlier when the resistance was still strong? Four minutes in, and there's already a giant plot hole.
>>28083 Your point? The turtles have magic in the show & have used magic in previous incarnations. That's not an issue.
>>27960 Oh fuck, anon you touched a memory hole there. I think anarky disappeared as a villain with the new 52 stuff, im pretty sure he shows up on the Batwingthe negro batman from Africa where he got a stadium as a new land while the rest of the city got evacuated in the storm After that I am pretty sure he never gets any attention anymore by the DC suits
>>28081 it's okay even though it's Americanized nakamura+imaishi
>>28075 The easy and obvious answer would be to relocate her to different and less important city Like Nightwing. But then I kept thinking about it, suddenly remembering my favorite episode in STAS, "Unity", and like why not just let Supergirl get stuck in Smallville since Superman thinks she is too young, etc and she would face each time a different type of paranormal threat and deal with it without anyone knowing about it? I think it would be a fun concept! Maybe at some point Superman will find about it but keeps quiet, or he actually knows about it which is why he insisted that she would stay. >>28082 >>swearing What was it? I didn't hear anything foul. >>blood >barely 4 years have passed since the original run At least NuSamurai Jack could excuse the dumb and shitty shift in tone and style by claiming the original audience have grown up and therefore the series should "grow" too (more like devolved and disregard plots and notions from the previous seasons WHEN THIS SHIT WAS SOLELY CREATED TO BE A CONTINUATION AND GIVE THEM RESOLUTION! ). Which further begs the question why this shit movie was made?! The fact it's not kid friendly is a complete admission that this TMNT version is a miserable failure. Netflix eventually canceled Dyke-Ra because it didn't click with little girls and the toys didn't sell, yet they wasted budget on fucking Rise of TMNT movie… >Oh wait there is "after school" logo in the end So Netflix thinks it's appropriate for kids?! I guess we will keep hearing about drop in subscribers. >>28084 Because it will kill Mike and most likely they thought they still have a chance. By going back to the past they're changing the future entirely anyway; it's not like it would've save the resistance, but rather it wouldn't exist in the first place.
>>28089 >What was it? I didn't hear anything foul. Badass ninja warrior
>>28093 >Badass I see now, thanks.
>>28092 I just think it's weird that Mikey could've done this at anytime, and they chose the moment where they're completely fucked. Since they knew that going back in time to change the past would've erased the future, then there's no point in fighting the Krang any further. Sure, Mikey would've died from it, but at least their chances would've been better if it was done earlier.
>>28066 >I mean the Catwoman suit in Burton' film was cool and good looking. And vinyl, not leather. She must have been basting in her own juices for hours. >I think you demand too much realism for capeshit I demand good writing and not Gail Simone being an absolute cunt. "Hurh hurh, first they raped Ms. Marvel and now they're forcing Batgirl to run around in the same flexible, breathable fabric as Batman? Not on MY watch!" It's retarded. I have a nicely worn in leather jacket and I can tell you it still makes a little noise. When you rely on stealth as your primary weapon, skin-tight leather/pleather is NOT your friend.
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>>28104 its just >>28091
>>28091 Leo says "badass" in the opening footage. Yeah I can't say who this is for. The kids who grew up with this show probably largely are old enough to at least handle this stuff but like it's being marketed specifically on the kids section for Netflix. So it really doesn't make a lot of sense why they're aiming for an older audience in tone but not in where it ends up.
>>28103 >not leather My bad I looked it up, it was actually from latex. https://web.archive.org/web/20150325012228/http://www.anothermag.com/art-photography/2072/costume-designer-mary-vogt-on-michelle-pfeiffer-s-catsuit >Gail Simone She wrote for the overrated and godawful JLU, enough said. >When you rely on stealth as your primary weapon, skin-tight leather/pleather is NOT your friend Fair enough
Watched the new Predator movie 'Prey'. Better than expected by a mile. The marketing didn't do it justice. That said, it fumbles away all that good will at the very end when it erases the events of Predator 2.
>>28120 >Erases Predator 2. Garbage, an urban setting is great for a Predator.
>>28120 Haven't watched it yet and not really interested, but I find it funny a fan film beat the studio to the punch on the "Indian girl fights a Predator" in 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZBh2BW9CMs
>>28120 How many evil white male are there?
>>28124 A lot but they were french. >>28123 Almost like it's a pretty basic concept that the comics did for years. The same comic explaining where the pistol in 2 came from has a predator during the american civil war.
>>28123 The Predator: Dark Ages fan film is pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRD8jAk274I >>28125 Yeah, there are so many stories from the Predator, Alien, and AvP comics and novels over the years that could work great as series and movies. I assume the main reason there have never been any direct adaptations of the comics by the studios is because while Alien and Predator have both been owned by the same company the comics and game rights have been in the hands of Darkhorse and various game developers/publishers over the years so they would have to be paid for any story adaptations of their works. IIRC Darkhorse still has all the publishing rights for their Alien/Predator comics they made before Disney and Marvel, but they can't make anything new. I doubt Disney wants to pay them or any of their writers for any use of the stories considering they initially refused to pay royalties to the various preacquisition Star Wars, Alien, and Predator novel authors.
>>28126 Don't need direct adaptations & I was fine with them erasing Alien vs. Predators from the movie canon but it's not worth it at the cost of Predator 2.
It was dumb how they made the predator's species all the same as him. In particular, the idea that blowing themselves up was part of some code is dumb as the original predator clearly blew himself up to spite Dutch. That's why he laughed manically, because he was denying Dutch the satisfaction of killing him and taking his corpse as a trophy.
>>28153 A lot of the AvP stuff has it that the self destruct device and the "honor" surrounding it is mainly Yautja making sure less advanced races don't get a hold of their technology and destroying things they consider abominations like Predalians. AvP Extinction had them using a one of their gauntlet nukes specifically to destroy a hive created by a mutant Predalian Queen. There's a lot of scifi species that show no real concern about the equivalent of of some barely sentient tribal apes getting access to nukes which seems weird at best. Concrete Jungle's plot was based entirely around that. One of them managed to allow Yautja technology to fall into human hands who is than exiled in disgrace and a century later there's a bunch of humans with reverse engineered technology more advanced than intended so they send the exile to deal with it and reclaim his honor.
>>28156 Forgot to mention that they also have instances of using it to prevent a hunting ground from being destroyed like someone taking care of a game preserve. The first AvP film had a flashback of them detonating a nuke to deal with a city that got over run by xenomorphs after a hunt got out of hand. Yeah, the original Predator is laughing at Dutch seemingly out of spite when he activates his self destruct, but a lot of stuff outside the films indicates they use them for more rational and understandable reasons.
>>28157 >but a lot of stuff outside the films indicates they use them for more rational and understandable reasons. You mean stuff written afterwards, by other writers
>>28158 I don't get the problem with this? I recall a comparison made between Star Wars and Lord of the Rings is that Tolkien made a world that spawned a story and Lucas made a story that spawned a world. I don't see any problems with other writers building in the sandbox another writer created. Lovecraft became so popular mainly because his original works were almost entirely free of copyright and he even encouraged others to use his material in their own stories during his lifetime. The biggest thing that annoys me about modern copyright is that people can't take a story and elaborate and build on it. The idea of copyright is a very modern thing anyway. I understand that the communication of the internet and increased world population complicates things, but a lot of what copyright has become is nonsensical and hurting the public good, especially due to things like corporations being consider as "people". Originally copyright's intent was to allow for authors' to derive profit from their works for a certain amount of time and then it would pass into public domain to allow other authors to extrapolate, add, derive, and build on it. Now we're at a point where companies can hold rights for a century and things can fall in to a copyright hell where no one alive can make claims, but copyright says no one can make copies or more out of it. Yes, I understand that myths and legends did not have copyright, but I also think what would material like Arthurian Legend and Journey to the West be without others building and extrapolating on it?
>>28159 >What would material like Arthurian Legend and Journey to the West be without others building and extrapolating on it? Substantially less favorable to cuckoldry
>>28159 >Lucas made a story that spawned a world. < The biggest thing that annoys me about modern copyright is that people can't take a story and elaborate and build on it. These two things are diametrically opposed. Lucas (Operating as Lucasfilm, which is a corporation) still owned Star Wars, and everything related to it, until 2012, but that didn't stop him from allowing other people to building upon it as long as (1) they pass the idea by him and (2) he received residuals from them using his property. In fact, under Disney, SW still operates the same way as before they bought it. However, where the difference exists is that Disney is more selective on who can access the property and how they use it. It seems more like you're displeased with how people choose to use their copyright rather than the laws in place.
>It seems more like you're displeased with how people choose to use their copyright rather than the laws in place. You're right. Copyright on its own isn't really the biggest issue it's how people abuse it. I loved a lot of the stuff in the original Star Wars EU. There were certainly some questionable or bad part, but it was awesome that there was this big world beyond the films that other authors made. Even before Disney owned Star Wars Lucas used ideas from decades of the EU for the prequel trilogy. Knights of the Old Republic, Galaxy of Fear, the various stuff based on Luke's Jedi Academy, Mara Jade, and Han and Lei's kids. That's stuff I grew up with and loved as a kid. I know people bash Lucas for some of his writing and production decisions, but I honestly enjoyed the prequel films. Disney ruined Star Wars, not Lucas. His worst decision was selling Star Wars to Disney. They're the ones who decided nearly all previous EU material was no longer canon which was partly out of not wanting to deal with having to pay previous writers anything as mentioned above. Companies like Disney and overprotective authors are the biggest problem. They're greatly responsible for modern copyright laws. It's worth noting that the Walt Disney company specifically lobbied heavily for copyright extensions to prevent their works becoming public domain. The company is largely responsible for the Copyright Act of 1976 and the Copyright Term Extension Act in 1998. Beyond Disney the DMCA was result of concern from the film, televison, and music industry and in the 1980s various film companies tried to make VCRs illegal which would have killed a lot of amateur and indie film making and low budget distribution. Related, I hate authors or IP owners that basically tell the fans, "Stop having fun, you can only enjoy this on my terms." in any way. Once a work is created and people come to enjoy it I don't think it's wholly the author's anymore. It's incredibly frustrating to have most fiction so many of us grew up with and helped shape us be in the hands of others and not only restricted heavily in how it's used, but then adapted badly with profit and politics being the main focus of the adaptation rather than just creating something good that builds on the previous work and the fans will enjoy. George RR Martin for example is a massive hypocrite on that. He admitted that he got his start writing fanfiction and it was what led to him developing his own works, but then discouraged fanfiction of his material and called it lazy to write fanfiction and this is all despite a good chunk of the Game of Thrones TV series being glorified badly written fanfic itself. There's been plenty of individual authors that have been very restrictive on fan works as well. It's not even just original authors. It seems wrong to have an author's family and descendants restricting and profiting off things decades after the author's death. Again, you're right. It's not the idea of copyright itself I have a problem with it's how restrictive copyright laws have become and how they have been and are abused. I apologize if this comes off as too much of rant.
>>28095 >I just think it's weird that Mikey could've done this at anytime, and they chose the moment where they're completely fucked It makes sense because it's last resort act. >then there's no point in fighting the Krang any further It's safe to assume they thought that they could defeat the Krang in their own timeline which is why they didn't use the time travel immediately and continued to fight instead. >but at least their chances would've been better if it was done earlier Again, there wouldn't be any chances since the krang wouldn't get released in the first place…of course the movie has to fuck up this simple time travel solution to have its convoluted plot. >>28107 >The kids who grew up with this show probably largely are old enough to at least handle this stuff The youngest ones would be 10-year-olds and the fan base for the show is already small as it is, I mean RoT flopped so hard that Playmates had to look for new directions, so alienating them isn't a smart move, not that anything involving this mess is smart. They won't get any merch money from this; Playmates won't ever touch RoT again, not even with ten-foot pole and they were already burnt once with Netflix (NuVoltron). >>28159 >Originally copyright's intent was to allow for authors' to derive profit No, Copyright was created for enabling governments to exercise censorship much easier and for publication companies to have monopoly, creating a system in which the governments and corps are sharing the same bed and benefiting from each other. The idea that copyright has anything to do with protecting artists is nothing but corporate propaganda. Furthermore, IP is not a real property and shouldn't be artificially limited.
>>28159 >>28169 You don't need to space out every half paragraph. >>28170 Yeah plus Rise doesn't even have toys to appeal to adult collectors. So the movie thankfully will be the last of it. Seth Rogen's movie is still coming though. 100 bucks says it'll be on par with Michael Bay's horrid movies but with "haha weed" & jew jokes.
>>28120 Why there was the idea that the Feral predator was female?
>>28082 >>28091 >>28093 >>28094 >>28107 >>28170 You guys do realize that The Transformers movie did the same thing back when it premiered in the 80's, right? In fact, theatres were so outraged that some censored the swearing in the dub.
>>28173 The what now? >>28174 I don't remember that at all.
>>28175 >I don't remember that at all.
>>28180 Huh. Neat.
>>28181 There's another scene later one where Ultra Magnus shouts "Damnit!" while struggling to open the Matrix.
>>28182 That's okay.
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But why?
>>28185 That's fan art.
>>28048 Everything in this post is absolutely retarded. But the one that gets me the most is how you claim I have no reading comprehension while not only misrepresenting practically everything I said, but even cutting off a quote in the middle of a sentence just so you can misrepresent it. >And for all the things you could talk bad about Lee for, I can't imagine what issues you have with his work Deliberately leaving out the rest of the sentence "on Kirby's Incredible Hulk" shows that you are being the disingenuous one. You clearly don't even read comics, and you accuse me of it, right after I went on an autistic rant about the actual history of Incredible Hulk creators? Go ahead and say what problem you have with Lee's work on The Incredible Hulk, aside from the time he called him Bob. Even Kirby's contributions to Hulk are overrated, as while he certainly deserves credit as primary creator, if you were gonna be autistic about it, you'd admit that Steve Ditko is the one who really solidified the version of the Hulk that became the definitive one. You're the filthy casual who thinks he knows a lot because he's heard of Jack Kirby and has heard that he deserves more credit than Lee, but you don't even know why, and you go on to ignore other iconic creators. As for all your garbage about She-Hulk, you complain about her being too similar, while at the same time complaining that she is too different. Yeah no shit she has similar powers and name, but her personality and types of stories set her apart. The fact that you think names and powers are the only or even most important things to the actual stories shows that you don't actually read them. You might as well say that Reed Richards is the same character as Plastic Man. >He did only five you self-proven casualfaggot. The six one was by Steve Ditcko making up bullshit with Stan Lee. >calls me a casualfaggot for something simple like that >misspells Ditko's name Be careful if you're gonna do things like this. And to call Ditko's work on anything, let alone Hulk, "making up bullshit" is ridiculous. He went on to do many Hulk stories after, much more in the style of what we would think of as the Hulk today. To say it was degraded by Ditko is absolutely ridiculous. His run was excellent and a highlight of silver age comics in general. >>28075 >What can you even do with Supergirl that wouldn't just be retreading or replacing Superman? >>28091 >The easy and obvious answer would be to relocate her to different and less important city Like Nightwing. But then I kept thinking about it, suddenly remembering my favorite episode in STAS, "Unity", and like why not just let Supergirl get stuck in Smallville since Superman thinks she is too young, etc and she would face each time a different type of paranormal threat and deal with it without anyone knowing about it? I think it would be a fun concept! Maybe at some point Superman will find about it but keeps quiet, or he actually knows about it which is why he insisted that she would stay. Have you guys never heard of Supergirl before? She had a very popular series for 30 years, with several popular revivals over the years, and this is exactly what it is. Supergirl is very distinct from Superman. Not just because she's younger and a girl, and not even just because she has a completely different cast of supporting characters, but one angle that has also been played upon successfully is that she was actually raised on Krypton and thus feels its loss much more closely than Superman does, and has a harder time acclimating to Earth. There are like 60 years of successful Supergirl comics, and most of them are actually good. It should be easy to adapt, but feminists keep making her girl Superman just so they can complain about her being girl Superman, despite the source material always giving her much more depth than that.
>>28159 >I don't get the problem with this? It wasn't the original authors intention, it was other writers who either didn't understand or didn't care.
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>>28159 >Originally copyright's intent was to allow for authors' to derive profit from their works for a certain amount of time Originally copyright was created to censor and control the flow of information. In that regard it has never changed.
>>28188 <Everything in this post is absolutely retarded <Because I said so! That's not how counterargument works, casualfaggot retard. >no reading comprehension >minimal reading comprehension My bad anon, you're right, apparently, I was too generous and you do not have any reading comprehension:^) <shows that you are being the disingenuous one. You clearly don't even read comics Nice projecting lying casualfag retard, I'm not the one who claimed that the six issue of hulk was by Kirby. <I went on an autistic rant about the actual history of Incredible Hulk creators No, retard you just went with the most general description of her "unique" comics and once again proved yourself to be a dumb casualfaggot by not knowing that the six issue wasn't made by Kirby. <Even Kirby's contributions to Hulk are overrated Literally created the character you imbecile, and as I've said before Kirby' creations in Marvel got degraded. <you complain about her being too similar, while at the same time complaining that she is too different No, no, zero reading comprehension retard. I complained that she adapted the powers of Hulk, yet without the twist that make them unique and stand out. She is lazy vaginawash copy who is similar to hulk, but in extremely boring and half-assed way. <The fact that you think names and powers are the only or even most important things to the actual stories Retard, there's a clear reason to cash on existing character, in which you can expend on the brand by creating a lazy new version of it, in the hopes keeping the original audience and in addition gaining a new one. Character that shares the same name and powers of said an existing characters, is nothing but just a lazy vagina/faggot/nigger/etc version of said character. Of course, there could be cases when said character can become its own thing without shitting on the original character, but then there are ones who are irremediable shit like lazy She-Hulk who is a boring watered down eye candy version. <you don't actually read them Keep projecting, you fucking retarded liar. You're such a retard, you think people won't catch your lousy and easy to detect lies. <You might as well say that Reed Richards is the same character as Plastic Man Oranges and apples, completely retarded comparison. Mr. Fantastic doesn't try to capitalize on Plastic man' superior existence like say Supergirl and She-Hulk, just sharing powers it's not enough, you need the name as well, see above genuine retard. >Have you guys never heard of Supergirl before? She had a very popular series for 30 years, with several popular revivals over the years, and this is exactly what it is. Supergirl is very distinct from Superman. Not just because she's younger and a girl, and not even just because she has a completely different cast of supporting characters, but one angle that has also been played upon successfully is that she was actually raised on Krypton and thus feels its loss much more closely than Superman does, and has a harder time acclimating to Earth. There are like 60 years of successful Supergirl comics, and most of them are actually good. It should be easy to adapt, but feminists keep making her girl Superman just so they can complain about her being girl Superman, despite the source material always giving her much more depth than that What a nice wiki article quote:^)
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Someone stole Brenden Small's guitars.
>>28206 Brutal.
>>28195 Propaganda video
>>28204 What part did you not understand? >>28211 t. Disney employee
>>28170 >>28195 Modern international copyright law is heavily influenced by US copyright for obvious reasons. The US copyright acts of 1790, 1831, 1870, and 1909 as well as the International Copyright Act of 1891 were fairly reasonable when compared with what came later even if things got a bit muddled along the way which is why the act of 1909 was created to superseded previous copyright acts. There's the Copyright Clause in the Constitution even: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries". The copyright act of 1909 was written with the intention of benefitting public good over the good of the author: "This copyright law is passed not primarily for the benefit of the author, but primarily for the benefit of the public." is even the reports submitted at the time. Even the first government regulated copyright law, the Statute of Anne in 1710, was designed to give authors control over their works and deal with publishing monopoly. After the French Revolution the National Assembly believed that published works were public property and any rights given to the author only existed to compensate them for the effort. This influenced French copyright laws going forward. Yes for much of history government and religious authorities focused mainly on censoring any works they perceived as harmful rather than being concerned with the public good or the good of the author. The modern concept of copyright has only existed for a few centuries but there's clear intention with copyright law developing along with the concept in many countries to benefit the public and avoid perpetual monopolies being created by publishers or the original author's estate. Things went reasonably well for awhile and then we developed modern corporations that can heavily influence governments for their own interests and have plenty of money to throw around in the courts and the idea that corporations can be "people". Now we're at a point where copyright law is abused and rewritten to benefit those companies more than anything else. >>28211 >>28213 The main issues with the video is it kind of misrepresents the Statute of Anne and presents things as though the concept of copyright existed long before the invention of the printing press. Copyright and copyright law is fairly modern and has only been around a few centuries. There wasn't really much to stop anyone from copying the work of someone else or using it for their own purposes for most of history, but the thing to remember about that is it wasn't easy to do so in the first place. Communication and travel were difficult for most of human history. Books and writings had to be copied by hand which was a labor intensive task and required someone who could actually write when literacy rates were low. Even the printing press required dedicated manual labor to build, operate, and maintain. The Statute Anne was something of a compromise between the British Parliament and the Stationers' Company. The Parliament repeatedly rejected the Stationers' Company's attempts reestablish their monopoly by getting more restrictive laws passed which resulted in the company being forced to go with something far less restrictive than they wanted and even then they later abused the flaws in Statute for their own ends. The video does acknowledge that part, but at the time the Statute was considered a good thing with good intentions by the parliament and much of the literary community at the time. It's just that it left out a lot of protections later laws would provide and was narrow in what it did actually cover. It was flawed more than anything else. For example it only covered "books", not other types of work and it was ambiguous as to whether previous publishing rights before the Statute were grandfathered under the laws before the statue. The lack of definition and omissions in what was protected led to various court battles and legal confusion and is why it was eventually repealed and replaced.
>>28171 >toys to appeal to adult collectors What adult collectors? The select few twatters who actually buy toys and aren't just culture warrior faggots? We all saw what happened with Dyke-Ra. >100 bucks says it'll be on par with Michael Bay's horrid movies Seeing the pic you posted, I think it safe to assume that at least the turtles won't be as appalling as the Bay turtles. Maybe if the characters have nice designs and Playmates won't fuck up, I'll even get a few. I did buy Bebop and Rocksteady from the shitty bay film to go along with my first edition turtles from the 2012 series, which I didn't like either, but had some great toys. >>28174 >comparing RoT flop to the most successful franchise in the 80's Also, that movie was released in theaters whereas RoT is in streaming service alongside more kid friendly content. >>28214 Of course, they would excuse Copyright as benefiting and whatnot to justify it, it's just the same shit as with welfare state or any other statism bs! The government would excuse anything wrong it does in the name of greater good! Weren't the covid lockdowns and experimental shots enough to see through that? >"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries" Which is utterly failed at it and done vice versa. Just think about the entire scientific journalist system in which people don't get any pay for the paper they submit, neither those who do the peer review, and the one who gets money (and the copyright) is the scientific journal who put those articles behind a pay wall. But this is not even the worst aspect about the evil and unjust IP laws, medical patents prevent competition and make sure that every new remedy will be beyond poor' people reach which is absolutely vile. >After the French Revolution They needed to know which heads they gonna off, so of course anonymity wouldn't allow them to do so and therefore they enforced copyright. >modern corporations that can heavily influence governments for their own interests >at a point where copyright law is abuse Statists keep failing to understand that when you let the government intervene in the market, you end up letting the market intervene in the government too! It's a two-path system which feeds each other. The so called "corruption" of an already corrupt law was inevitable! IP is nor real property, it not tangible and it's not limited, it's nothing but arbitrary government definition like trans people and gay marriage.
>>28214 >Modern international copyright law No such thing exists.
>>28185 The fuck is that? Modok in a shrink-suit?
>>28174 >You guys do realize that The Transformers movie did the same thing back when it premiered in the 80's, right? I remember. I was in my early teens and I remember being shocked that they thought it was a good idea for a kid's movie. That, and they fucking killed half the characters I loved just to sell new toys that weren't even compatible in size. Seriously, Springer's head in the action figure is WAY smaller than Hot Rod's.
>>28120 Do the squaw and the Predator end up joining forces against the white "invaders?"
>>28206 Brutal, hope the guys get caught. >>28215 >some sort of angry libertarian/laissez-faire/anarchist rambling ...ok...? >>28217 Not in the literal sense of there being a single copyright law across the world, but as in various countries have agreed to near identical or similar laws and enforcements due international treaties and agreements. The Berne Convention, the Buenos Aries Convention, The TRIPS Agreement, and the WIPO copyright treaty are all examples of this. >>28221 The MCU might actually be making him fully robotic. It wouldn't surprise me they would make a change like that.
>>28120 Yeah, it's not as bad as expected, but I wouldn't say it's good either. Kind of perplexed that they went with the gun from Predator 2 being given to the to the main character by a trapper and not taken away by a Predator at any point. It implies the Predators are going to come back later and kill everyone in the village or just her. Interesting, but it seems weird they leave that hanging over the end and it seems unlikely there will be any sort of sequel or tie in actually showing it.
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>>28226 >...ok...?
>>28229 Not really sure how one is supposed to engage with a response that isn't even making an argument and is more of an angry rant that doesn't even focus on the discussion of copyright. The post is basically just the standard "government and regulation evil" and "free market good" rhetoric. I'm confused that he's complaining about Statism and government regulation and intervention in economics and property, and "welfare state" when not having any sort of government intervention there or social safety nets would makes things so much worse. Just look at historical and modern examples of what happens when a company or private individual is not being watched so they don't poison, injure, or kill people while trying to make a profit, even with those regulations we still have problems with that sort of thing. Corporations can do what ever they want with no government even trying to reign them in? That's how you easily get the sort of dystopian corporate feudalism we see in cyberpunk fiction. Our systems are flawed and there's a lot of selfish lobbying and corruption, true, and I think laws should ideally be designed to protect people from each other and not themselves, but I have a hard time taking any sort of "The system is broken and needs to be removed or replaced" seriously at this point. It's nowhere near bad enough to require that in most parts of the world. I've seen so many keyboard warriors who make that sort of argument and then don't really give any idea on who would build the new government or how that too would not be corrupted over time or wouldn't be something worse. These people rarely give any indication they would be willing to risk their lives for this sort of revolution and rebuilding the system in that manner either and the ones that do come off as the an example of "Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world." I don't see the point with arguing with angry revolutionary and "tear down the system" fantasies because the people bringing that up rarely want to have a civil discussion or do anything other than rant about the evils of the world.
>>28156 concrete jungle the ps2/xbox game, or concrete jungle the darkhorse comic, or concrete jungle the book written off the comic starring dutchs brother in NYC?
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>>28228 It'd be against their honor code to just kill them for revenge. If anything they'd reward her for besting a predator in combat. That still wouldn't explain how they'd get the pistol. They'd be giving something to her. Not the other way around. >>28223 No. The frenchies tie her & her brother up for bait to ambush the predator. He proceeds to kill all the french from there.
>>28233 I assumed they'd be coming back just to retrieve the Predator armor and weapons lying around and that would lead to them killing more humans and getting the pistol from her.
>>28235 Maybe if they resist I guess. Which wouldn't be too out there considering Naru knows they're hostile. First day of war chief & she'll just lead her tribe to genocide.
>>28161 >Substantially less favorable to cuckoldry Blame the French for that, they're the one who added Lancelot as a Norman fuck you to their Anglo-Saxon subjects. >"Hon hon hon, Ze Fraaanch knight is cucking ze English king." Though I guess the French got theirs in the end when some Japanese mushroom man turned Lancelot into an NTR fetishist with an Emo alter ego and turned their greatest king and his paladins into a boyband with a nudist weirdo and a femboy.
>>28237 >Blame the French for that
>>28230 >Not really sure how one is supposed to engage with a response that isn't even making an argument and is more of an angry rant that doesn't even focus on the discussion of copyright. I did you just conveniently chose to ignore it and tries to strawman by not even tackling those said arguments but trying to undermine the basics, but don't worry I'm good at them too. >The post is basically just the standard "government and regulation evil" and "free market good" rhetoric It's not just , it's the base for it and tied to it as we are discussing laws that are created and enforced by the government. Not to mention, that you purely argued from government intention perspective without proving how this intention actually plays in real in life which I did, unlike you. >I'm confused that he's complaining about Statism and government regulation and intervention in economics and property, and "welfare state" when not having any sort of government intervention there or social safety nets would makes things so much worse. Wrong, look at the high numbers of children growing up without a father because the government finance single mothers. This only became prevalent phenomenon thanks to the welfare state. I suggest you read some of Gertrude Himmelfarb books discussing and comparing Victorian England to the Modern one, discussing the escalation in crimes and kids being born out of wedlock. >Just look at historical and modern examples of what happens when a company or private individual is not being watched so they don't poison, injure, or kill people while trying to make a profit In the case of private individual if you live in country which to bear arms, you can defend yourself instead of hoping the police will arrive in time. In the case of a company, you can sue them and get them closed unlike governments agencies who will continue to operate no matter what horrible things they've done. For crying out loud, the recent experimental shots were funded, approved, pushed and enforced by the government! This thing couldn't happen without the back of the government. If you fear an entity with a money, then you should fear even more so an entity with money, arms and no accountability to hold. >even with those regulations we still have problems with that sort of thing Which just proves those regulations are useless. >Corporations can do what ever they want with no government even trying to reign them in? That's how you easily get the sort of dystopian corporate feudalism we see in cyberpunk fiction. No, they aren't, it's vice versa as we see today that's the direction we're going. Let me teach about the principle of "the invisible hand"; when there is actually free competition and not the shit we have today, it makes sure there wouldn't be monopolies/duopolies/etc or "too big to fail" because if certain company is successful and in certain market, it will invite a new company to compete and take share of that certain market and by that ensuring companies will try their best to provide good service and products for low prices as any new company can compete and try to overdo the other company. This only possible when you have free market and no regulations which makes it hard to establish a new business and enter that certain market as those regulations are in favored and lobbied by big corporations. Furthermore, going back to the discussion about copyright issue, besides the simple fact of corporations lobbying to prolong the copyright and sustain their unjust monopoly, we also see how those corps keep buying other corps or companies solely for their IP and firing the workers of those corps or companies, resulting in greater monopoly, unemployment (which can't be easy solved as there is no free market and welfare system encourages it) and poorer services and products, because again government sponsored monopoly like every monopoly. >Our systems are flawed and there's a lot of selfish lobbying and corruption, true Which completely contradicts your argument above. You yourself admitted that the ones who shape the copyright law are the corps and not your benevolent protecting government. >and I think laws should ideally be designed to protect people from each other and not themselves Everyone thinks it, the important question is are those laws are necessary and therefore have the impact which follows their intention? Or it's just empty words which results in opposite and negative impact?! "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Again, the case with IP laws has no legs to stand on, because not only is that IP is not real property as it's not tangible and neither scarce which are the conditions that create the need for property rights in the first place. But also, copyright results in hurting actual property rights by limiting one' use to his own property and changing the definition of homesteading in which the property owner isn't the one who was the first to occupy it. >ideally Sound like a utopian commie talk which ignores the reality that doesn't let a flawed theory work in practice. >but I have a hard time taking any sort of "The system is broken and needs to be removed or replaced" seriously at this point I think your confusing change done in moderate pace to revolution, we all should aspire to the former one as the French revolution proved to be disastrous. >It's nowhere near bad enough to require that in most parts of the world Oh, it already is and it will get worse, USA' debt is now reached the point of no return. There's already recession as we speak and it's just a matter of time until it will become like The Great Depression which by the way was prolonged thanks to government intervention, as usual. >I've seen so many Doubt.png Or that you argue some incredibly stupid ones or those who just get acquainted with these ideas because your basic bitch arguments are easy to refute. Do you really think that libertarian intellectuals didn't went through them?! Read a book! > keyboard warriors You're also one as you argue in favor of keeping the status quo. >make that sort of argument and then don't really give any idea on who would build the new government or how that too would not be corrupted over time or wouldn't be something worse As I've said before, collectivist, I'm not in favor revolution anyway. I have no specific idea about leader, because that something that completely depends on finding the right person which is complex issue for any type regime as it goes beyond ideology, but laws?! That would be easy! You should just have laws to protect only real property, laws that prevent and make it hard for the government to add new laws but make it easier to cancel them, etc. The other main issue is the government should be small and only have army, police, courts and jails, that's pretty much it though fellow AnCaps would argue no even that and rely on small community managing itself like how humanity did for hundreds of years until statism became a thing. >These people rarely give any indication they would be willing to risk their lives for this sort of revolution and rebuilding the system in that manner either and the ones that do come off as the an example of Because libertarians aren't retards that are backed by the elite like Antifa. They're fully aware that they're minority and as it is they couldn't pull a revolution which will be succeeded. >"Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world." What is this dumb quote?! >I don't see the point with arguing Yet you're and not in a direct way, you slimey hypocrite. >with angry revolutionary and "tear down the system" fantasies because the people bringing that up rarely want to have a civil discussion or do anything other than rant about the evils of the world Strawman and ad-hominem, pat
>>28230 >>28243 >with angry revolutionary and "tear down the system" fantasies because the people bringing that up rarely want to have a civil discussion or do anything other than rant about the evils of the world Strawman and ad-hominem, pathetic like your economical knowledge.


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