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Drawing Hardware General Anonymous 05/09/2021 (Sun) 14:14:30 No. 2780
A THREAD FOR DIGITAL DRAWING HARDWARE AND PERIPHERAL QUESTIONS I was drawing this morning and my tablet (HUION WH1409 8192) pen's pressure was acting up and I pressed down harder on it thinking the nib was stuck or something but I felt the nib get lodged into the pen. The nib was really stuck in there but I managed to get it out. HOWEVER, now it's not registering pressure whatsoever and I've tried sticking objects down the shaft to see if I could maybe get whatever was in there out or maybe reset the pressure mechanism, but to no avail. I'm pretty sure it's just fucked. I found what model it was online but how exactly does replacing a previous pen work? Should it work out of the box when I touch the new pen to my tablet or am I going to have to install new drivers? Are the settings on it going to have to be reset?
>>3540 >absolutely sense makes absolute sense now.
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>>3540 Excellent choice on the Intuos 4, I'm pumped for you, man. Best model they'd ever made: the smooth surface of the Intuos 3 with the proper dimensions for today's displays so you don't feel like a mongoloid using it. HE'LL YEAH, BÖRTHER Unfortunately, it doesn't make you get good instantly or something silly like that, but unlike the Bamboo and other smaller models it won't make things more difficult for you than they should be either. This shit is hard enough as it is. Now, your artistic journey can truly begin
Bros.. how do I into stabilizers?
>>3624 Your software's default should be fine.
>>3545 Correction: the Intuos 4 does not have the same surface as the Intuos 3. My bad; I remembered wrong. The 4 has kind of a hard plastic surface similar to a Huion that, while not as aggressive as the Intuos 5 or Pro's literal sandpaper surface, is nonetheless quite a bit more prone to wear and tear than the Intuos 3 is. Seems the 3 is still the kang in that regard, the 4 actually can get pretty gross if you don't take care of it apparently. With this revelation I highly recommend using the same trick of using a laminate sheet cut to size, or you could even use a piece of paper and adhere it to the surface with a light painter's tape, though that will chew up your nibs much like the default Intuos 5 surface does.
>>3626 Thanks
>>3632 I know that reply was pretty flippant, I purchased a program called "Lazy Nezumi" once years ago and never really used it. I've never seen the point, but that could be because of the kind of art I do. Never had problem with lines though, seems like a meme to me tbh
I took my huion H610pro out of the cupboard for the first time in a couple years to try my hand at drawing again after giving up. But it turns out the lithium ion battery in the stylus died. Apparently the PEN68 is compatible (at least according to this ebay listing) and it takes a AAA battery instead so I'm wondering if I should just replace it with that. I looked at a tear down for the PEN80 and the lithium ion battery looks about the size of a AAA battery anyways so it really just seems like an annoyance to get the same pen again knowing it will be useless after a couple years. I really should have avoided a tablet with a stylus that requires battery at all, but I'm not sure if there were many of those on the market back then. Seems like the newer versions of the same tablet might not need any battery.
>>3745 That sucks. I gave a little girl that came into my work a Huion WH1409 a few years ago, her and her brother still send me art once in a while but I'm not sure if they're still using that tablet specifically. Wacoms have their faults but if nothing else the older models in particular are extremely reliable
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There were a number of posts about proper posture when using drawing tablets, so I decided to convert my Huion to see how it feels (Kamvas Pro 12, but I think it would be easy enough with any other model since the drivers are probably similar enough). I was able to change the working area to my primary monitor, and then I changed the background on my tablet display to a grid, just for fun. So far it feels quite good, though it felt a bit weird at first since I'm used to using it as a display. I've definitely noticed that I can draw for longer without feeling shoulder strain. Before, I would just take breaks every 30 minutes or so. I'm thinking I might try getting something like in the 3rd pic so that I can have a few more keybindings, and so that I don't have to reach across my tablet to use the keys on my keyboard. Has anyone tried anything similar?
>>5113 That's a pretty neat idea and I'm glad it's working out for you. I personally am of the belief that the legacy-style tablets such as how you're wielding your Huion at this point are much more comfortable to use and even more accurate in some ways than the ones with a screen. Admittedly there could be some "holistic" thing I'm missing with the screen tablets but having used them myself I don't really think so. I do not feel as good drawing on a screen as I do drawing on a piece of paper and I don't think they're comparable at all, contrary to what Wacom and all of these other companies would dearly like us to believe.
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>>5113 >>5113 I use a tablet stand and put my keyboard underneath so that I can use my full keyboard for shortcuts. You should definitely look into mechanical keyboards. They are a joy to type on. I am unable to find any 32+ inch tablet without a screen but I would rather use a screenless tablet if given the choice.
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I do not really care about brand or model name but is the 32 inches $3k tablet really the biggest drawing tablet in the world? I have a hard time believing that professional artists limit themselves to 32 inches. Not to mention that even my monitor is bigger and cheaper and better. I remember a japanese manga artist with a huge tablet that looks at least 43 inches. Where do you acquire one of these? Are they custom made? Unrelated but are there any tablet pen made for the overhand style?
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>>5279 Looks like 32 is actually the largest on the market. And the only pen that supports overhand grip is apple pencil. I am fine that. A bigger tablet will not make me better at drawing anyways.
>>5284 the Apple Pencil is better than the Wacom stylus in some ways but worse in others (the inability for the tablet to read the AP before it makes contact with the screen is a pretty substantial one)-I'd argue that it feels better overall as far as drawing on a screen goes. However, it being held back by the iOS ecosystem and the resulting software limitations makes it a bit less desirable regardless (CSP is available-but as a subscription model which imho should be refused on principle). tl;dr get a 20~ inch monitor and an Intuos 3, 4 or 5 Large and save yourself the money.
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>>5285 Yeah apple products are troublesome. I want to buy the 32 inches tablet but it has a lot of bad reviews. Do you have any experience with it? Intuos large is tempting because it will save me a lot of money but I want to avoid buying used stuffs.
>>5286 I used the Cintiq 27QHD for a few weeks (if you ctrl+F I think I've posted about my experience before in this thread), it had many of the same problems I had with the 12WX which was many years older, I ditched it pretty quickly as consequence. I'm not sure if there is some "holistic" thing I'm missing with the screen drawing tablets but I don't really see the appeal. Your posture is better with a regular tablet, the only real issue is the drawing surface/display size difference which is alleviated mostly through using a bigger tablet and a reasonably-sized monitor. >I want to avoid buying used stuffs. I don't blame you, but the fact is you can find drawing tablets relatively unused and in great shape on Facebook Marketplace, Craiglslst and Ebay because it's so common for people to give up drawing entirely relatively quickly.
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>>5291 I bought the 32 inches tablet with my algorithmic trading gains. I will just turn off the display and use it like a regular screenless tablet so I am unlikely to encounter any problems you had with screen tablets. Yeah screenless tablets are more ergonomic and cheaper but they are not available at a larger size. Unfortunately converting a screen tablet into a screenless tablet is the only way. I do not even have a social media lol. Anything beyond amazon is so complicated that I will never bother with it.
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So I've had the HUION WH1409 8192 for a year now and while the tablet is great, the pen (pw500) is a complete piece of shit and this is the third one I've gone through this year. Specifically, the pressure level mechanism keeps breaking and only registering maximum pressure (which can only be fixed by taking apart and soldering from what I understand). Does anybody know a good pen that's compatible with the aforementioned tablet?
>>5386 They might make third party stylus for Huion tablets but I really don't know much about it. Give it a try. So this is the WH1409 v2 with 8192 meme levels eh? That's a shame, consider getting a big Intuos 3+ instead. Decades of reliability tbh
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>>5386 Never used their products but I am pretty sure that any pen from the same brand is compatible. Granted they support the same amount of pressure sensitivity and tilt. The pen that came with my smaller tablet works with the new tablet and I can barely notice a difference if any.
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After a week of drawing on my new tablet I am incapable of returning my smaller one. It feels so constraining to be unable to draw with full shoulder movement. I have no idea how I managed survive for a whole year with a tablet that small. I can never go back now that I know how wonderful large tablets are. Just wanted to let you know that I am grateful for your advice Loomis. Cheers.
>>5455 Thank you; I'm extremely glad to see that so many people who've gone through with similar upgrades seem to share a similar sentiment.
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Oh, I found the screenshot of that table that was once present on the WACOM wiki a few months ago (no-schizo, it was removed from the wiki a day or two after I'd posted it in a tablet thread on /ic/ after being on there for who knows how long. Coincidence?) This table, to me, proves that Wacom's tablets have been more or less unchanged since the Intuos 3-apart from ergonomic concerns-as well as the potential "sensitivity" of their stylus which most will tell you isn't something of real concern
I am thinking of getting into digital, but have some questions. How long does it take to get used to screen-less tablet? My plan is to get a used tablet and a daily one hour practice. Accuracy on it vs pen display and traditional mediums is my main concern. Last time I tried tablets was over a decade ago, when even the bottom of the barrel wacoms would cost couple hundred dollars. I got the least expensive tablet with working area slightly smaller than a piece of printer paper. I spend weeks on getting used to it, but it was a horrid experience. I suspect that the bulk of it was due to me being a dumb teen unable to configure tablet properly, cheaping out, and technical limitations of my old tablet. However, I can't stop remembering the annoyance of not being able to be 100% accurate 100% of the time, like I can be when I see my drawing it traditional mediums. This problem does not exist on pen displays, but ergonomics are not ideal. However, I can get around ergonomics issues by setting my screen and pen display to mirror each other. That way I can glance at the display when trying to get the placement of my stylus right, and spend most of the time looking at computer screen in front of me afterwards. Are stands for screenless tablets worth it? I see their utility for making drawing from shoulder more convenient. On the other hand, incline surface is not as necessary for screen-less tablets, as you do not get angle distortion because computer screens are vertical. Additionally, how are styluses for drawing an at angle? I grew accustomed to this grip in traditional art as it makes it much easier to avoid wrist use. Would the Wacom Pro Pen 2 stylus be able to do it? Would something like Mitsubishi WACOM Hi-Uni Digital or Staedtler Noris EMR be better?
>>5784 >how long As long as you have a good one (a Large one), not too long at all provided you have good manual dexterity with traditional media >accuracy A traditional tablet is more accurate and affords a far better posture option than a display tablet, the problem with smaller traditional tablets is the "velocity" that comes from having a small drawing surface (both Small and Medium tablets) covering a display that is far larger. >last time You probably got a small tablet, most people don't understand the consequences of that decision-even fairly experienced artists-and they purchase the small ones thinking they're being "thrifty". There's even a highly rated video with hundreds of thousands of views someone posted in this thread where a person (who is not a line artist themselves) claims that the tablet "Doesn't Matter®". They're full of shit and should be ashamed of themselves, I've heard that statement regurgitated a lot and nothing could be further from the truth. This is not to say that good work can't be done on smaller tablets, however if you value your time or your health even a little there is absolutely no reason to go the cheap route. >This problem doe not exist on pen displays Not necessarily true. Pen displays have a problem called "parallax" which means that there is a small but consequential discrepancy between where your stylus is on the screen and how it's being interpreted by your tablet and computer. Screenless tablets, to that end, are objectively more "accurate". However the problem with cursor velocity is significant. On a modern small tablet you can expect something like a 1:3 movement distance to drawing distance relation between the tablet and a typical display. It is very important to close that gap as tightly as possible, to the point where no expense should be spared to achieve that. >are stands worth it I wouldn't think so, it just seems like something that'd get in the way. >draw at an angle No unfortunately you can't draw in that manner with a Wacom stylus iirc, I do agree that drawing like that is more comfortable and it's one reason I still very much enjoy drawing in pencil.
>>5785 Thank you for the information. I am pretty sure that most issues I experienced years ago were due to subpar tablet that was too small for anything besides signatures and occasional goofing around. At one point I was wondering about Intuos4 Extra Large, but they are not that easy to come by and the size seems a bit excessive for my setup. I am currently considering refurb intuos pro large. Paper edition crossed my mind, but results seem to be worse than scanning and isolating lineart with masking. It's a nice option to have none the less, but not nice enough to almost double the tablet's price. >drawing at an angle is not possible. It's a shame. I would have thought that wacom, or other companies would realize that many artists would welcome that option. Instead, styluses are designed like a writing utensils rather than an art tool. Apple's pencil out of all things seems to emulate traditional pencil best in that aspect, but it comes with a bunch of downsides.
>>5785 >>5786 You should be able to draw from an angle if you 3Dprint an alternative handle. I've seen it once on a twitter, looked something like pic related but obviously for styluses.
>>5786 >Extra Large Those are the holy grail but you just can't find them easily. I bought one on Ebay early last year but unfortunately it didn't work and I had to return it. It was a bit too huge, tbh. There's a bigger size difference between the Large and the Extra Large than exists between the Small to Medium or Medium to Large and it's by a substantial margin. Something incrementally bigger than the current Intuos Large models would be great, but the XL is massive. It wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't an additional 5.3x6.2in. of inactive area on top of how big it already is I recommend either an Intuos 3, 4 or 5 L; they are all very reasonably priced online
>>5787 >>5788 Thanks for more information. Tablet arrived few days ago, and it's much better experience than the one from years ago. The surface is large enough to make use of the full arm pretty convenient and natural and I haven not been tempted to use my wrist. Still, >>5787 is a good idea if I will ever need it. I can see how it could be cheaply jury-rigged using on old pencil, paper clip or other wire, and some duct tape. Now i need to get used to the tablet. Speaking of it, does anyone have any tips? All if could find and think of is: >write the alphabet >draw lines and basic shapes >draw random dots and connect them >stop using a mouse and use the tablet instead I tried all of them, and am slowly getting used to it. Last one was surprisingly easy, but I do not have issues making dots accurately. What's a bigger problem is making a long, smooth line and completing it where I want to. For the time being I have been thinking of starting my sketches on paper and finishing them up digitally. I suppose that tracing my own stuff could be helpful too.
>>5836 >rigging something weird I wouldn't bother with that, just get to the tablet how it's designed. You have the "write" idea when it comes to helping develop control, but-and I mention this course extremely often-the Peter Han Dynamic Sketching course on youtube is the absolute best means of developng your manual dexterity quickly. I would use traditional media for this as instructed in the video (he recommends a Staedtler or other felt-tip pen; I think a mechanical pencil is probably ok though) but it will translate to your new tablet well. Also don't make it so you never use your wrist, it's not against the rules or something (and it's definitely valid for very small strokes and hatching, still) just enjoy the ability to activate your elbow and shoulder and make generous use of that new ability as needed.
>>5842 >get to the tablet >get to the choppa *get used to the tablet I meant
Is it feasible to use a tablet on your lap if you don't have the desk space for it?
>>5962 I believe some people do this-but personally I think it's worth designing your working area around the tablet if that makes sense. Having it on your lap is super unwieldy especially if you're using one of the larger models. I use a cheap Ikea table top with inexpensive adjustable legs as a desk https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/lagkapten-tabletop-black-brown-80487016/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/adils-leg-black-70217973/
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Finally made an infographic with an objective portrayal of various tablet inputs, I hope it keeps people from making the same mistakes I had in the past. >Graphire 3


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