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Loomis Feels Thread 2: the New Normal Anonymous 07/13/2021 (Tue) 05:14:38 No. 3408
Tell me how (You) feel (´ ͡༎ຶ ͜ʖ ͡༎ຶ `) Old thread: >>146 Thread Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5xbsqZrqgo
I AM NOT GONNA MAKE IT! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
>>3408 Did the old one already reach its bump limit? Damn. We really feel a lot. Today I lost ten Euros, but my friend took over the pay for the food. What a nice guy. A shame that he's very blue pilled.
Wait, it's seven months into the year? I could swear just the other week I was telling myself how 2021 would be the year I started art. I want to get into a groove but can't bring myself to lay off the vidya.
>>3418 This year has gone by uncharacteristically fast, much like the previous year felt as if it were just crawling along at a snail's pace. Stop playing vidya friend, games went from being art and entertainment to being designed from the ground up to be cheaply produced mental prisons. At least stick to single player games with comfy art and stories.
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>>3419 > Stop playing vidya friend, games went from being art and entertainment to being designed from the ground up to be cheaply produced mental prisons. At least stick to single player games with comfy art and stories. This nigger smart.
>my interest payment has gone up $20 a month on average since taking out the loan in March Am I missing something here or what have I gotten myself into? At this rate I'll be paying $200 in interest alone a month by the end of the year heh.
>>3418 Then don't lay off the vidya, just negotiate with yourself what you must do before you can boot up the vidya.
>>3423 Not to pry, but it's pretty hard to parse if I don't know the terms of your loan. What exactly is your interest rate on the loan, as well as the size the original size? From personal experience I can say that depending on what week you pay the monthly payment, you pay more or less. To swing 20$ that wildly though seems a touch odd. Is this a car loan? There's the ultra-nightmare scenario of mortgage payments penalizing you for paying the principal early(which you appear to be doing), but that only exists for housing loans as far as I am aware.
>>3428 I'm wondering if I made a mistake with the terms of my loan. However, I do know that my APR is 9.x% and my initial loan was $10,000; it's a personal loan so not a car or something like that. Frankly only paying $40 is lower than I'd expect but the fact it's rapidly increasing is curious. I need to figure out if it's actually charging me more for "overpaying" by the paltry sum I have been because if it is and they refuse to amend that I will refinance immediately. I wonder if I could lump this personal loan in with my car loan which has a significantly lower interest rate. I really wouldn't want to fuck with my pristine credit score too much though.
>>3427 Assuming you don't already know and just don't care, one day you'll realize that modern multiplayer vidya is a scam, and that all the numeric and graphical baubles they'd embedded into their software in mere minutes and have enshrined to your personally-identifying account to enslave and ingratiate you to their software program aren't the symbols of accomplishment they portray themselves as. The only question is do you realize and act on it now or 15 years from now? At what point do you think stopping or greatly moderating your current trajectory will be more painful? It's really something to think about. I was a fairly competitive Counter-Strike player for well over a decade, every day I would come home from work and do nothing but FRAG and it was honestly the greatest shit. I've been there, but the realization hits you later-perhaps too late-that you could have and should have shaved several hours off of that self-indulgent behavior working on yourself in a more holistic way every night, as you could end up feeling very bad about it later while finding yourself ill-equipped for a variety of reasons to make up for that lost time. It's not just the time spent either, but it's the habits and the very real chemical dependency on instantaneous reward being formed that has the potential to ultimately subvert any future attempts at self improvement in other areas that ought to be taken into account. Maybe you don't care about this now and think I'm being a pretentious fag for making this huge post about all this and I don't blame you, but it's only because I've lived through this scenario and am still coping with the fallout to this day that I have so much to say about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXj71r-WrQk
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>>3431 Not him, but I agree. I probably wasn't as dedicated to videogames as you were, I never played competitively, but I did play for what in hindsight was far too long of a time, most of that time I now think as wasted. Two things in particular usually stick out to me when I think about it, the first being 'cosmetics', typically TF2 hats and shit. All of that is just an obvious dick-measuring contest, and I think I always had that in the back of my mind when I was fucking around with cosmetics, but for some reason I still wasted some of my time trying to get some, just to make myself feel cooler. All of that though? It's all utterly worthless when you inevitably stop playing. I wonder if this sort of feeling will hit CS:GO players after a while, especially those people who freak out over 100$ virtual knives of all things. The 'economies' of the games are a joke too, as the only one who ever makes money or wins in the end is Valve, and nobody in the 'trading community' is capable of recognizing this. The other is that I just got tired of working my ass off to ultimately complete nothing. There's a lot of games where you could try for hours, not having any fun along the way, only to struggle up to finally beating it. Maybe the endorphins make you feel good for at most a day or so, but then you either end up forgetting about it (at best) or feeling like shit that you wasted all of your time doing something that was ultimately pointless in every concievable way. You didn't have fun, and it just feels like you did a pointless chore for someone else. Hell, sometimes this even extends to just getting games to run the way you want them to, like when some terrible old game is forcing mouse accel. I haven't played videogames at all recently, aside from taking 5 or 10 minutes to look at small indie games since the effort put into them tickles me pink. I don't think there's any cure for videogame addiction aside from giving the addict exactly what they want. You can't force yourself to quit, eventually you'll just want to and being distracted by videogames won't be a problem anymore. When you become conscious of how worthless the effort really is, it's only a matter of time. Perhaps you might find a reason to come back, but it won't ever go back to being an addiction.
>>3429 To be fair, it should be called a fee on your statements if they do have that prepayment penalty, as opposed to an interest hike. Casual calculation tells me that your interest payment for a month should be about 75$, it's as odd it was 40$ for a bit as much as it is that it swung up to 100$. I'd wait one more month to see if it increases again and at that point figure out what the hell is going on. >>3431 The fact it's shitty multiplayer vidya is irrelevant to my point. He could be huffing cocaine or an alcoholic for all I care. Waiting one day to quit cold turkey so that you finally feel good enough to start drawing is retarded. Just fucking sit down with yourself and ask yourself "alright, how do I not feel like today was a complete fucking waste of time? How productive do I need to be before I kick back relax and play vidya? How much drawing do I need to do so I don't feel like a lazy guilt-ridden sonovabitch?" Then whatever you decide is appropriate for that day, fucking do it, and enjoy the rest of your time playing vidya. Sure, you didn't spend 14 straight hours dedicating yourself to your craft, but you didn't spend 0 on it either, which is what he is doing right now. The cold turkey method can work, but most people are retarded and need to take things one step at a fucking time so they're not disgusting with themselves and can flex their delayed gratification muscle.
>>3437 I agree. It was getting really late in the night for me when I made that post and I didn't get the chance to emphasize what I'd said earlier in the statement after burying it in several paragraphs of histrionics. The goal isn't to stop doing something you like doing entirely forever by any means; I still play video games myself on occasion, but the idea is to just be able to see through the aspects of it that are meant to get you to play compulsively rather than enjoying the game for the game's sake-and that includes emotional blackmail from friends. My word choice definitely lent to the idea that you should just stop everything and do anything else in the world other than enjoy yourself doing "X", but that wasn't my ultimate intention and in fact I think that kind of thing would be harmful overall.
My feels right now are anger and shame for no fucking reason. I fucking despise my perfectionism, and I hate how it makes me quit so much. I just want to draw for fun, I want to feel good putting lines down. But no. my mind wants to achieve something that doesn't exist in human art because he was raised with two parents who don't even consider the idea that perfectionism is ruinous to your entire fucking life. I try to put something out, I fuck it up, and I >greentexted, and then I attract parasitic fuckheads who one-up me by telling me it's shit, and then offering to do it for me. And then my will to draw is killed before I even put the paper in front of me. I loved drawing as a kid. I loved that time when I didn't give a shit about how good my pencil drawing looked, and how dirty the lines were. I didn't quit every time I go a single step out of line on just the guidelines, I didn't stare at a reference while completely ignoring where my pencil is going on the paper. I didn't have process anxiety or stupid-fucking tunnel vision. I want to draw humans but if the guidelines look even the slightest-bit fucking wrong I give up, my mind wants me to give it all or nothing and I'm so fucking tired of giving up. One anon's advice said to practice circles but my fucking arm won't let me draw a square-sized circle. It's always some stupid fucking oval with a jaggy angle in it. Now? I don't even know if I really have a physical problem with my arm, or it's my stupid fucking perfectionism making me overthink the actual fucking problem. I just want fun to come back and draw beautiful girls and relatable men- and it's so fucking easy to say "just do it anon" but my fucking brain. And then there's the fucking trap I fell into that got me into this giant fucking artistic rut in the first place - hype. I fucking hyped myself up and got high on the thought that I would be seen as decent, not even perfect- just decent. And then I got fucking shat on, I disappeared for months, and now I'm here. I don't want perfect anymore. I want good enough. I just want good enough and I want to be happy with that, why is this so hard?
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>>3408 This post isn’t really related to drawing, but I finally found the pdf I was looking for, about 8chan. I remember seeing it on google in 2019 a few months after 8chan died but I forgot the name of the article. Feeling a bit happy ngl. https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.10259
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>>3446 Man do I know this feel. That little thing in your brain that tells you if you can't do it the level of the people you idolize then you should just stop doing it entirely that accompanies every flippant line you make on the canvas.
>>3436 >>3431 >>3437 I play vidya too, and used to have issues with them eating up too much of my time. However I lost a lot of interest in them as I got older. Maybe it's age or maybe I built up a resistance for endorphin rush from video games. At this point I only play games that feed my creativity. Things that have interesting art direction, good stories, are fun to explore, have interesting mechanics, novel gimmicks, or gameplay that looks and feels good. All of this gives me at least some inspiration and in turns pushed me to draw. If a game gets tedious, I just drop it or find ways around the tedium. >>3446 What worked for me is re-framing drawing as not something to master at all costs, but mainly as a hobby to distress where you will always have something new to learn and master. Don't fall for being stuck in constant excericise mode. Remember to draw for fun, but also try implementing things you are trying to learn while doing that. Ironically, I started seeing better progress after doing this. >>3448 Thanks, this is an interesting read.
>>3446 >>3456 Can't say I know the feeling, what I am working towards is too important to get caught up in guilt tripping myself every step of the way. >I don't want perfect anymore. I want good enough. I just want good enough and I want to be happy with that, why is this so hard? Just to clarify, are you wanting to pursue art as a hobby or as something else?
>>3465 >Just to clarify, are you wanting to pursue art as a hobby or as something else? Vidya. To avoid giving my privacy away too much, I am working on a vidya project based off an existing animu-style universe and characters. I want to do this myself mostly because I want to go the studio-pixel route of doing mostly-everything myself. I feel like if I hire someone else to do art, I would have to risk the "what ifs" of "are they good enough for this?" "Are they gonna keep up with me?" "am I gonna keep up with them?" "What other dysfunctions am I gonna deal with?". I want the knowhow to see what it actually takes to get shit done, that way, if I do a group project, I can have the foresight to understand the difference between people actually being late because of things taking longer than expected, or if the person is an incompetent fuckwit trying to lie to save face. I know I have issues. I'm trying to meditate to deal with these emotions, but fuck, I'm tired of feeling like I'm going two steps forward and three steps back when it's more likely the other way around. >>3462 Alright, thanks anon. I'll try and see if I can get my mind to adopt this mindset.
I'm tired of the Chinese cringe AIDS
>>3467 >Vidya. To avoid giving my privacy away too much, I am working on a vidya project based off an existing animu-style universe and characters. Okay that doesn't answer my question though. Are you doing this for fun, or are you doing this for some other reason?
>>3462 >Thanks, this is an interesting read. You are welcome. I'm mainly using the information for a story I'm writing in my spare time. Also these 'waiting for validation' captchas suck dick.
>>3469 The cases aren't going down anytime son bro
>>3476 Yeah, and we all know why. Anyone that goes to the hospital for any reason has a substantial chance to be declared "covid positive" no matter what their "covid status" might actually be and have their lungs blown up like a basketball with a ventilator until they explode by our healthcare heroes. All in exchange for a fat government check written out to the hospital's administration for their service.
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I WANT A TAN TOMBOY GF WITH BIG BOOBA AND I WANT ONE NOW!
>>3514 The girlfriends were a lie, anon. It was all a ruse by the corporations to keep you placated. Keep them wanting. Keep them working. Keep them buying. But there is no hope, anon. There never was.
>>3515 That's not true! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
>>3511 Honestly I thought covid and lockdowns was going to end last year but it's probably going to end in 2022. I don't trust Boris when he says that lockdown is going to end.
>mfw covid passports are real https://youtu.be/tX2MKX7elUc
WEAR *clap* YOUR *clap* MASK *clap*
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I lost $753 leverage trading. Rate.
>>3528 >crypto and stocks aren't volatile enough, I want to get wiped out even faster! I feel like you really have to be lucky to not get totally fucked leverage trading. >just bought 1000 more BAT at $.46 last night btw
>>3408 For some reason some dude on /b/ is sharing cp under the vauge disguise as being some anti pedo crusader. Not really feels, I just find it wierd. Pic unrelated.
>>3529 >I feel like you really have to be lucky to not get totally fucked leverage trading. It's not luck but skill. I'm currently practicing with small amounts so losing isn't really a big deal but I do plan on pouring in more capitals once I get better at it. >>just bought 1000 more BAT at $.46 last night btw I don't know enough about BAT to talk about it.
I haven't had wet dreams in over a month. I will now try to coom biweekly. My plan is to coom as rarely as possible while managing to avoid wet dreams. Rate.
>>3552 That's going to be a "based" from me, compadre.
>making thing on drawpile, going pretty well >server starts niggering and won't let me reconnect >motivation status: lost Guess I'll finish it up locally and maybe copy over the difference later, but man, it's just not the same.
>>3408 trying the easy peasy method. my art and life is stagnant enough. it's doable, right bros?
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I lost over $4000. I had a few runs with $1000 in unrealized gain but I would always get too greedy and end up losing it all. Looking back now I think the main reason for my losses is that I get too emotional so in order to combat this I wrote a program and a few algorithms to help me trade. I did some backtesting and they are quite profitable. Now instead of looking at the candle chart all day I can have my machine lose all my money for me. I can at last focus on improving my drawings skills WHILE gambling my money away. I have no regrets. Rate.
>>3565 I watched my fat BAT stack go from over $100,000 down to like $35,000. Feels detached man, I have no intention to sell any time soon, but knowing that I might not "make it" until I'm literally 40 or older if ever is depressing
>>3566 You are gonna make it for sure. Buy and hold is one of the most effective strategy. HODL beats most of my algorithms.
>>3565 Not gonna ask you your standards for you algorithms, but what are you attaching your algorithms to that allows automatic trades? Binance?
>>3568 I use my exchange's api.
>>3571 Which exchange is that?
>>3574 >guy loses a shit load of money playing around with bots and leveraging >"Dude tell me how you do that"
>>3574 Binance Bitfinex and Kucoin are all good for this purpose and allow high frequency trading. >>3576 $4000 is nothing. I still have a lot of money to invest.
>>3576 4000$ isn't that much in crypto-kiddie land. Maybe if he lost 5 figures in a single move like >>3566 I'd be concerned. I've traded in cypto, but didn't know I could automate it.
>>3584 I didn't lose anything, that was nothing but unrealized profit. The only time I'll sell is if in doing so I won't have to work anymore, otherwise there's no point. What am I going to do? Buy a new car or computer? I can already do that with my existing salary.
How do you justify not giving up? I used to want to make art for my own vidya, but it increasingly feels like by the time I git gud if ever there won't be any niches or openings left for people who haven't been industry-grasping or SNSfagging for the past 7-10 years. It might be different if I were younger, but I feel like I've missed my chance.
>>3598 Are you me? Also I don't know, man. I haven't drawn on a consistent basis for well over a year now outside of one day a week on the drawpile. I am completely demoralized and despondent. I refuse to formally "give up" though, my schedule at work is loosening a bit and I'm optimistic things will change for the better, soon.
>>3598 >How do you justify not giving up? Because I only have this one life, and I have my directives clarified. There's nothing better I could be working towards, and conversely, nothing worse I could be running away from. >I used to want to make art for my own vidya, but it increasingly feels like by the time I git gud if ever there won't be any niches or openings left for people who haven't been industry-grasping or SNSfagging for the past 7-10 years. It might be different if I were younger, but I feel like I've missed my chance. If you make something good, people will come. Cruelty Squad looks like a child vomited all over a N64 cartridge, but people are all in a (indie-sized) tizzy over that. There is no "timing" concerning these matters. If you think you can be doing something better in your time (not for any bullshit moralizing reasons, you, personally, feel like you could be spending your time better) than do that instead, keep doing that until you find the one thing that doesn't feel like it could be a better use of your time, and by definition it is the best use of your time.
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>>3598 >fulfilled a request on /v/ and made some anons happy >made a silly comic that made some friends laugh >anytime an anon says something along the lines of: "nice progress, keep it up" I can't give up, I gotta do it for them.
>>3604 based and comfy goals-pilled
>>3602 >There's nothing better I could be working towards, and conversely, nothing worse I could be running away from. You're objectively right, but it's still hard to avoid comparing, especially since it helps find where I need to improve. >>3604 I wish I could be carefree in that way, but I have a specific point I want to reach and I'm too much of a perfectionist to settle.
>>3607 >You're objectively right, but it's still hard to avoid comparing, especially since it helps find where I need to improve. I didn't say anywhere in my post not to compare yourself, but you are the only person that has your genes, the environment you were raised in, and has made all the choices you have made is yourself. If you find someone else whose personality or creations interest or make you admire them, articulate to yourself what you are finding admirable, and figure out how to get you yourself to get those personality traits or those parts of their creations you find admirable in your own work.
>>3598 I am getting old. I need to get out of house and make friends, need a hobby that allows me to relax and avoid computer screens, and want to have at least one thing outside of work that I can excel at. Drawing ticks all of these boxes despite decline in my abilities due to over a decade of neglect. >>3607 >You're objectively right, but it's still hard to avoid comparing, especially since it helps find where I need to improve. Learning from others is the only benefit of comparing yourself to them. Other than that it is not healthy too overdo it. What stopped me is realizing that sooner or later there will always be someone better, that while they are goo at art they might be shit at something else I can do, and the fact that people tend to only post their best work while hiding all fuckups, shortcuts, and lying to make themselves look better. Only person you should compare yourself to frequently and try to outdo is your past self. That's the only valuable yardstick for how good you are, and what progress you are making over time.
Holy rubber gloves batman, do I need to study hands.
Why does this site look like total garbage all of the sudden? I feel like it looked normal when I was using my tablet computer earlier.
>>3651 It seems to have fixed itself, thanks mods crisis averted.
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>Man I'll never git gud >look back at drawings from a year ago >mfw I guess there's always hope after all
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>>3703 I feel the same. Truth is that you have the potential. Many of us have it. Its just that we can never force ourselves to be at our peak. We lack pic related. When you genuine tryhard you can achieve greatness. Sometimes you just have to clench you buttcheeks and go all out. Just to have peace of mind you are as good as you like to believe.
>>3703 I involuntarily winced at artwork someone showed me in person before. Feels badman, I usually try to be supportive but I think for some reason I had set my expectations of what I was about to see too high and when it was super beginner stuff I couldn't hide my disappointment.
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I really enjoy drawing and painting the academic nude. I really do. I love observing the folds and shadow shapes of the body, and seeing how body parts like the "flank" of the oblique squashes and stretches. I love noticing how skin reflects sunlight, the various greens, blues, pinks, yellows, and reds on White people I can paint, it's all very fascinating for me. I don't care if it's a male or female figure, I just like drawing the nude body. But everyone I see commenting on my works just say things like: "he's hot," or "that ass." The people that want to commission me have messed up ideas like expansion fetishes. I try to be reasonable and say I just don't draw explicit content. But I don't know if what I'm painting is contributing to their sick minds. It reminds me of a thread on cuckchan where anons were posting artists with "barely disguised fetishes" and they posted Bouguereau, Joaquin Bastida, Henry Scott Tuke, etc. I'm tired of it all and it makes me want to stop. I'll have to just cancel my current client's commission since what he wants is borderline NSFW, and all his bookmarks are explicit content.
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>>3887 There will always be degenerates on the Internet anon, keep your chin up. Continue drawing the beautiful human figure, it is a magnificent part of Creation and you are right to marvel at it. The fact that they consider your work attractive shows how attentive you are to recreating the human figure. Never give in to their coomer cravings, but accept that a true illustration of human anatomy will always make somebody somewhere go awooga.
>>3887 DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO FURSHIT But in seriousness, maybe start putting these people in sweet landscapes or something? If you want to avoid leches, it might be good to distance yourself from them in some way. Since most porn artists are either lazy or inept in other areas of painting, you'll likely be able to avoid their clientele by using proper settings and not just pretty bobs and vagene in a void. This is admittedly just speculation, though.
>>3887 Set your selling price to draw inflation and other shit at 1 million. If fuckers can't afford, fuck 'em, if fuckers can afford, you have 1 million.
>>3889 Thanks, I needed to hear that. I figure that once my art is out there, it's basically open to anyone to their own interpretation. So someone will value qualities such as line, shape, color, and value, while another will value things like feet, eyes, the face, or anything they may have an "attraction" to. >>3890 You make a good point. I'm starting to put my figures in minimal backgrounds with repeating patterns, drapery, or environments. I think that'll help the porn-addicted normalfags think: "Okay, maybe this isn't fap material." It's worth a shot.
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>first day of live figure drawing >never done this shit before >completely overwhelmed >busting garbage out like mad >learning so god damn much If my arm weren't in agony working 2 hours straight I'd be on Cloud 9 right now. Can't wait for what it feels like when I'm actually good at this garbage.
>>4024 Lemme so thos' figgas, nigga
>>4026 Can't today, left them in storage and too lazy. I'll take another look tomorrow and post any not objectively awful.
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>>4024 King.
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>Be me >Go to art school >Yeah I know how dare I fall for the degree jew >Really just want to get out of the house because: >Have retard parents >Mom tells me campus won't be open because Corona >The problem is that Universities and such all expect students to be competent enough to not need to have everything spelled out for them >Unfortunately she is >She took two weeks to apply to a grant because she was too stupid to just apply online and thought they needed a phone call first >You didn't >"WELL I GUESS WE JUST WASTED TWO WEEKS OH WELL" >Haven't applied for housing yet >Not even sure if housing is covered by all the loans I've already taken out >Get an email not even sure when just looked at the content and died inside >The teacher literally starts with >"See you in class IN PERSON NEXT WEEK >Not sure what the fuck to do now >Not sure whether or not it's viable to even do anything >Or if in the worst case scenario I'll even get offered online substitute classes because I LIVE CITIES AWAY FROM CAMPUS I FUCKING LOVE THE AMERICAN SCHOOL SYSTEM I FUCKING LOVE MY PARENTS ''I FUCKING LOVE THE FACT THAT MY LIFE IS LITERALLY JUST A SADIE BROTHERS SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS RAPIDLY HITTING ME IN THE FACE WITH ZERO CLUE OF WHAT THE FUCK I SHOULD BE DOING'' ''THANK YOU GOD''
>>4032 I warned you about art school bro I TOLD YOU DOG
>>4032 You should withdrawal and get a refund retard for the love of God.
>>4032 >college housing Enjoying retarded faggots and niggers who are just there to party getting black-out drunk and blasting music, playing sports in the hallway, and getting into loud arguments and fighting late at night.
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>>4032 I waste at least 2 hours a day commuting so you have all of my sympathies. Unfortunately our only hope at this point is for the delta variant to strike and trigger another lock down. I really hope the schizos who keep freaking out about delta variant are right. Another year of lock down and work from home would be great...
>>4032 Not gonna lie my man, but you should tell the idea of college to fuck off. You'd probably do more art by buying a computer and fucking off to a hipster small town for 3 years. If you do need a degree to sneak past HR, make it a super short 1-year/2-year degree and that's it.
>>4026 Posted in practice thread. >>4042
>>4032 If you want to go to college, don't go for art. Total waste. People that go to art school are massive faggots with no skill or talent. You can go for a real major and do art on the side or just don't go and spend your time building a portfolio. Art school is for people who can't motivate themselves to try a bunch of stuff so they can "build" a portfolio with a gun to their head. In some cases, art school makes you worse by ingraining bad, but trendy, habits.
>>4032 Reminder that you are statistically *less* likely to work in Art if you do go to Art School instead of just ignoring college entirely, or getting a degree in something else.
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>>4050 this tbh fam. I just learned that even Dave Rapoza was self-taught as well. https://daverapoza.carbonmade.com/about
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>>4041 Legitimately preferable to my current living situation. I'd sooner live next door to a literal crack house full of the mangiest motherfuckers alive if it meant I get my own room. You have no idea how bad things are. >>4044 >You'd probably do more art by buying a computer and fucking off to a hipster small town for 3 years. I suck at digital art and cannot afford to move to a small city short of walking 50 miles on foot. >>4051 Freelance Illustration+Cartoon are not what I'm looking to do. If you cut them out you'd probably get less than "1,200,000" working artists to a far far smaller number, sub 500,000. More importantly you didn't read the reason I listed in my post. On that note I guess my choices are to ask whether or not housing is open in tuition costs, but at this point I doubt it, I apparently paid 10k less than I need to for semester and that must have been housing costs. Honestly at this point things have gotten so bad that I hope some True Romance shit goes down and conditions from corona, bureaucratic systems, and my parents all collapse so horribly that I make it out somehow in the crossfire, but I expect things to get worse honestly. I could also just ask now but I don't know how to inquire about that without sounding like an ass.
>>4052 Concept artists are in demand and what they do isn't illustration or cartooning. Working artists also includes actors, poets, novelists, anything that is not a "traditional vocation". If you want to leave the house either go to college for a real degree that can at least help you as a back up career, or just bite the bullet and get an actual job. If you're not into digital you don't even want Art School then. Find an atelier to take your sorry fucking ass and teach you how to wipe it.
>>4052 Get a job and live in a van (unironically) or get the cheapest, shittiest apartment ever. I'm old and I still live with my parents because they have health (and psychological) issues that makes my living with them pretty necessary-I also take care of the dog. I love them but they're retarded, starting fights with eachother over nothing regularly, it's very distracting and absolutely fucking pathetic behavior that I'm pretty much forced to stop everything to mediate. It's not 100% bad by any means, but in my years prior living alone or with roommates things were much better for me as far as art and my own mental health goes. You're not wrong for wanting to be independent of your rowdy retarded boomer parents, but you'd probably be better off getting a job and taking pay-as-you-go drawing and painting courses instead of a formal college. It's too late now though it sounds like so just try and make the most of it by getting an art gf. >>4052 >Find an atelier to take your sorry fucking ass and teach you how to wipe it. This but in a less rude way. Ateliers are good even if I don't have much to do with the methodology, myself.
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>>4053 >Concept artists are in demand and what they do isn't illustration or cartooning. https://www.artbreeder.com/ For now. That bubble pops once mass media becomes so corporate they get replaced by AI or babby's first digital modeling program, it's already happened for the car industry, or mass media like the MCU and video games dies out in the end anyway. And quite frankly I'd rather not spend my time listening to some studio executives regurgitated demands for decades onward until the inevitable collapse and just copy Ralph McQuarrie and Blizzard style over and over. If we're talking about demand then everyone here might as well just become a hentai artist. I can't unfortunately as I cannot put any eroticism in my work even when everyone is fully nude. My art is very mannerist, there's zero ecstasy or emotion in my work and I've stylistically been building that up intentionally. No chance there. >Working artists also includes actors, poets, novelists, anything that is not a "traditional vocation". Yeah meaning the numbers are even smaller like I said, literal filler information. >If you want to leave the house either go to college for a real degree that can at least help you as a back up career, or just bite the bullet and get an actual job. If you're not into digital you don't even want Art School then. Find an atelier to take your sorry fucking ass and teach you how to wipe it. A college degree majoring in what? Next you'll tell me all college is a scam and to join a trade, then some faggot will tell me to invest in crypto, then some other fag will tell me to just get a job at McDonald's. I suck at STEM, I hate labor and nowadays even basic labor needs an engineering degree, there's no way I'm even touching medical school, and regarding politics, well as Hitler taught us all, we need even less of a education to do great things there as Juris Doctorate in political sciences is likely the most worthless degree I can think of, I can use the 12 years it'd take me to get it to overthrow the US government and implement myself as dictator within 6 then die within 4 after the Israeli-Eurasian allies storm the America's. > If you're not into digital you don't even want Art School then. Find an atelier to take your sorry fucking ass and teach you how to wipe it. I'm good with traditional and there's nothing that an atelier can teach me to do at this point, I'm in NY so right off the bat the one atelier in the state is straight up as costly as any one university and from what I can tell, does not even take grants. Ateliers are mostly just strict life drawing classes anyway, I excel mostly in the opposite. Now knowing you, you're likely saying >Wow it sounds like you have the perfect storm of benefits and downsides to have the perfect clusterfuck that can go nowhere. I know. There's no real way to fix this thus far I kind of just have to accept death. Which is good as I am very open to the idea of death, it has gradually become more comforting as the years have gone by. I'm 500% certain I will be dead before age 23 if not from starvation, most certainly from suicide. Honestly I'm just hoping I get Van Go'd when I die as lost potential. On the upside if I end up having to travel 30 miles back and forth daily then at least I'll have multiple chances to throw myself in front of a subway or something so I can just end it all immediately. But honestly dude at this point I'm just chilling, I guess if there's nothing I can do I'll just starve myself until I die or something I don't know, it gradually becomes harder and harder to think of any other solution besides defeatism of the highest order and just leaving this realm entirely. >>4054 >Get a job and live in a van (unironically) or get the cheapest, shittiest apartment ever. I might honestly, at the cost of severe sleep deprivation and malnutrition though. At least It'll kill me without suicide though. There is honestly nothing more promising at this point than involuntary death coming over me when I least expect it, honestly at this point I just really really really want to fucking die. >It's too late now though it sounds like so just try and make the most of it by getting an art gf. Oh yeah funny thing, literally everyone at the school is a non white foreigner. Even if admittedly speaking /pol/ and this cancerous shithole hadn't drilled me with years of anti miscegenation information influx then it'd be hard to so much as speak to one of them anyway. The one white woman I have met thus far was significantly older than me and was like two years ahead academically, then proceeded to talk down to one of the foreign students who drew girls in bikini's for her art project for 5 minutes giving a unironic "SJW EPIC COMPILATION #54890 BEN SHAPIRO COMPALATION" tier speech about how drawing a bikini is objectifying and demeaning to women. The person who drew the girls in bikini's shooting guns by the way, was a female themselves. I'm not going near any of them with a 10 foot pole. So to recap: >My social future is dead >My economic future is dead >My academic future is about to die Honestly if there's anything logical I've deduced from this thread thus far is that I should just kill myself when I go on Tuesday, I should honestly just lay flat in a position that puts my head over the train platform so last second so the train crushes my skull when it comes I hold no real reason to live, everything has been gradually taken from me and I'm not even mad, I've just become so numbed to everything that suicide is really the only logical choice left.
>>4055 >I've just become so numbed to everything that suicide is really the only logical choice left. Shut the fuck up right now! As someone who was once suicidal themselves in a college filled with evil bitches just like the ones in yours, I can safely say that suicide is the most retarded solution to any of life's problems. You and I both know how much we love having pity parties. You hate the situation you're in, but it feels almost good to beat yourself up for it. It almost feels good thinking about how you want to kill yourself, as if that would be a just punishment for your failure. That's what I felt back then, and I'm sure you're feeling that too some degree too. Well, that pity party stuff is retarded and bullshit. Existence on this Earth is badass no matter how much it sucks, the last person who should be taking you out of it is yourself. Separate yourself from what's making you miserable, no matter the monetary cost. As long as you can eat, drink, sleep, and bathe somewhere, you're golden and can live life as you see fit. Don't adjust your perspective to fit in the sick world we live in, it will only leave you in the agony you feel now. Take back the reins, even if they're laced with thorns. Live, anon. Live, with the goal of of one day leaving this world satisfied you've done something worth living for.
>>4032 Why are you blaming your mother for something you should be applying for? >>4055 >I'm 500% certain I will be dead before age 23 if not from starvation, most certainly from suicide Anon, I've been there. I'm willing to bet a lot of us have. This line of thinking is poisonous. It encourages us to wallow in our misery instead of even attempting to make our position better. The truth is, should you be lucky, that those "I'll be dead by XX" numbers come and go and for a variety of reasons we end up adding a bit to that number every time we pass it, only to be in a worse position than we started in due to that line of thought. Instead, I want you to think of what you want and how you'll get it in 5, 10, 15, 20 years. Please anon. I realized the only thing my misery was doing was snowballing into more misery late into the game and thanks to that I had been twiddling my thumbs at the at the starting line when I should have been running. Even if you fail the worst that can happen is that you starve to death, which was your original plan.
>>4057 >Instead, I want you to think of what you want and how you'll get it in 5, 10, 15, 20 years I can't because what I really want I'll never get. As for everything else I guess it's feasible but won't bring me any joy.
>>4058 What do you really want, anon? I'll tell you what I wanted, I wanted a family. A loving wife and a busload of kids, I wanted this since I was a kid. I got hurt really bad at an age where I was too young to handle it and I convinced myself that what I wanted was impossible and other miserable fucks on the internet reinforced these thoughts. I gave up for years, just wallowing and progressing absolutely no where. But I swear to you anon, I'm gonna make it even if it kills me. It's hard, it's really hard to pull yourself out of the impossible pit. The first step is working out how to resolve the barriers that make your dream "impossible".
>>4059 >What do you really want, anon? Something illegal. Anyway it's pointless to meander on about this kind of stuff, it doesn't help the situation at all.
>>4060 >Something illegal Please tell me you're referring to drugs.
>>4061 No. Anyway, how do I go about asking as to what housing options are and if it's already included for tuition without coming off as a desperate asshole to my university? Should I do it in person or online?
>>4055 >And quite frankly I'd rather not spend my time listening to some studio executives regurgitated demands for decades onward until the inevitable collapse and just copy Ralph McQuarrie and Blizzard style over and over. Okay, well then, I'm done playing guessing games with what you actually want to do, other than kill yourself. Tell us, exactly, what it is you fucking want to do. >A college degree majoring in what? I can't think for you moron, use your fucking head what is the most bearable option. >Next you'll tell me all college is a scam and to join a trade This would also unironically be a good option if your only goal is "do not live at home" you piece of shit. >then some faggot will tell me to invest in crypto One step above gambling but sure probably a better investment than Art School. >then some other fag will tell me to just get a job at McDonald's. Still better than Art School. >I'm good with traditional and there's nothing that an atelier can teach me to do at this point >doesn't want to do digital >already good at traditional Now I seriously don't understand your fucking problem, you're telling me you're trained up enough to be a working artist but have decided to take even *more* schooling you don't need? So what? You can "network" with people? >In NY LEAVE NY THEN >>Wow it sounds like you have the perfect storm of benefits and downsides to have the perfect clusterfuck that can go nowhere. Well yes that's what life looks like when you're ready to kill yourself. Remove the wow because your story is typical not special retard. What exactly are you trying to do that Art School will help with other than >not live with parents because there are far fucking cheaper options. >Honestly if there's anything logical I've deduced from this thread thus far is that I should just kill myself when I go on Tuesday, I should honestly just lay flat in a position that puts my head over the train platform so last second so the train crushes my skull when it comes I hold no real reason to live, everything has been gradually taken from me and I'm not even mad, I've just become so numbed to everything that suicide is really the only logical choice left. I legitimately could not care less that you're suicidal. I would prefer you not, but I can not care less. I can't give you reasons to live. I can't tell you life isn't going to be one horrendously painful problem after another, under all circumstances. All I can offer is to listen to you bitch, and give you advice if you want it and how to solve the next fucking problem. Because the problems you have are yours, only you can save yourself, and all I can do is offer an ear, and solutions. Which do you want right now?
>>4060 Drugs? Mass murder? Pedoshit? All in Minecraft of course. You're on an anonymous imageboard my guy. Grab a tor node if you're paranoid about the feds.
>>4062 Just fucking call them. It's their job. Do you have a phone? If not borrow one and call them. Do they not have a phone? Sounds like a scam university. t. is currently in Uni with a spouse in Uni >desperate asshole Why the hell would anyone care that you sound desperate? What are you projecting onto these other people you socially anxious retard?

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>>4063 >Okay, well then, I'm done playing guessing games with what you actually want to do, other than kill yourself. Tell us, exactly, what it is you fucking want to do. So much of a cluster fuck that it's honestly hard to explain. Paint. Everything? >Now I seriously don't understand your fucking problem, you're telling me you're trained up enough to be a working artist but have decided to take even *more* schooling you don't need? So what? You can "network" with people? Yes. I am economically fucking illiterate I don't know the first thing about selling paintings or any work then get mad when I see modern works that I could have done better in 15 minutes at the British Museum. >>4065 >Just fucking call them. Unlikely since I'm already anxious enough I guess I'll just have to ask by email but fuck upon further introspection I don't think I'll even get a definitive answer and just get fucking sent to a general link, the general answer to housing questions has always been two sentences.
>>4066 >Everything? Yes. Everything. I don't care if you give me a mound of verbal vomit about how much you love drawing donut anuses and hyper dicks, just stop being coy you utter faggot. >Yes. Well now we're making progress. Okay, so you want to network, let's start with the most important problem, what do *you* offer other people that makes it worth *their* time to interact with you? Do you know how many social gatherings you need to attend to network properly? How many people you'll need to keep track of? And you can't even pick up the god damn phone to ask the university if they properly charged you 10k$?! Let's start small shall we, hope about you practice calling a person whose job it is to give a shit about you and then we can discuss networking after you've mastered that basic social interaction. >I am economically fucking illiterate I don't know the first thing about selling paintings or any work then get mad when I see modern works that I could have done better in 15 minutes at the British Museum. They don't teach you that for art school, for definitive proof, observe this retard's thread >>3967 who is going into a PhD in Art. He doesn't know the first fucking thing about selling art and he has a fucking Master's for all the good that did him. This is your fucking reference point for what Art School teaches you. >Unlikely since I'm already anxious enough I guess I'll just have to ask by email but fuck upon further introspection I don't think I'll even get a definitive answer and just get fucking sent to a general link, the general answer to housing questions has always been two sentences. This is why email is bad option, so you've got two options. Stew in your anxiety, and let it get worse and worse and worse as times goes by, or, you can call them and clear it up right this minute. Every minute you don't make a decision is just you choosing the former to let the anxiety get bigger. You are always choosing the former until you choose the later. So make a fucking decision, how do you want your anxiety to go away? By calling them, or making it bigger over time?
>>4067 >hope about *how about
>>4062 God have mercy on your retarded soul, you mentally ill wannabe artist
>>4055 >I'm in NY Enjoy getting fucking shot.
>Actually no tuition does not include housing >Good luck with taking the train to school each day, don't be late. :^) >Alternatively you can swap out all your classes for the only 3 that are online, enjoy. It's over. All I can think of doing right now is getting a job with only online classes, I cannot fathom a single job available that lets me not work from 9 to 5 on a daily basis for school. Ok well I guess I can, nightshift and such, but I'd have to look them up, I guess I can be a grocery stocker. Hopefully they'll let me remove all the classes I just got thus far even the required one's. I'll end up getting maybe 3 hours of sleep a day, but this is fine, if mangaka can do it, I can too and might as well start now. I guess I might not need to even change classes as my outcome is the same. >>4070 Actually the shot is literally negatable in this situation but honestly at this point I wish we went in lockdown again. >>4067 >They don't teach you that for art school, for definitive proof, observe this retard's thread >>3967 who is going into a PhD in Art. He doesn't know the first fucking thing about selling art and he has a fucking Master's for all the good that did him. This is your fucking reference point for what Art School teaches you. So where do you learn that shit? >>4069 Not thus far, no.
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>>4073 >doesn't say what he wants to do in detail Fuck you. >All I can think of doing right now is getting a job with only online classes, I cannot fathom a single job available that lets me not work from 9 to 5 on a daily basis for school. None that pay well of course. >I'll end up getting maybe 3 hours of sleep a day, but this is fine, if mangaka can do it, I can too and might as well start now. I guess I might not need to even change classes as my outcome is the same. >wants to work a full time job and go to classes >can't even call a university to give him an answer to a basic question Have you considered becoming a functional human being before exploring this endeavor? >Hopefully they'll let me remove all the classes I just got thus far even the required one's. They do. Take a look at the college calendar, should have a "last day to withdrawal and get a full refund". Hint: This is your last day to withdrawal and get a full refund. >So where do you learn that shit? Actually attempting to sell it and learning as you go. There's some books on the subject of selling in general, but it's an art (heh) not a science. Anyone who can regularly sell art doesn't need to teach others for pay now do they?
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>>4074 >>doesn't say what he wants to do in detail >Fuck you. Oh right sorry I guess I was too busy wallowing in self despair to give a shit. I suppose everything. This then that. I'd like to be a painter in the classical vein, sell paintings that'll be exhibited, do fresco painting on the ceiling, sell whatever I can including drawings although that seems harder. I would at some point like to make an expedition into serialized comic/manga works in my own art style but that part is years ahead. Take whatever opportunities I can get, be a jack of all trades. >None that pay well of course. So let's say I drop school. What the fuck job does pay well? I have all of 0 skills or education out of art. >They do. Take a look at the college calendar, should have a "last day to withdrawal and get a full refund". Hint: This is your last day to withdrawal and get a full refund. I'm not sure if I'd want to fully drop out, I've had fun thus far there, but at this point my mental sanity is wholly reliant only on my living situation. >Have you considered becoming a functional human being before exploring this endeavor? Now that is the most unlikely outcome of this entire situation. >Actually attempting to sell it and learning as you go. WHERE THE FUCK DO I SEEL ART EVERYONE SAYS "JUST SELL ART JUST SELL THE ART YOU DOUBLE NIGGER" BUT WHERE DO I SELL THE ART WHY ARE YOU MAKING AN ABSTRACT STATEMENT LIKE I'M SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WJHAT TEHE FJUACK AARE YUO TAALKING ABBOUT CWISTOPHUH
>>4075 >I'd like to be a painter in the classical vein, sell paintings that'll be exhibited, do fresco painting on the ceiling, sell whatever I can including drawings although that seems harder. I would at some point like to make an expedition into serialized comic/manga works in my own art style but that part is years ahead. Take whatever opportunities I can get, be a jack of all trades. This seems like a reversal of order. It would be far easier to monetize a comic and then really get into painting then vice versa. Furthermore I'm pretty certain modern architecture and labor laws means no one pays anyone to paint ceilings. I can't think of any religious institutions that do these days, and anything corporate is going to go full modern. >I'm not sure if I'd want to fully drop out, I've had fun thus far there, but at this point my mental sanity is wholly reliant only on my living situation. Withdrawal from classes is not withdrawing from the school entirely, it just means you aren't taking those classes specifically. If you are 100% committed to online school, go ahead and add those. If you don't know how to do any of these things, stop being an autistic fuck and call the school asking for any to help your sorry ass. They actively want your money so they *want* you to ask questions if you're a retard. >What the fuck job does pay well? >I have all of 0 skills or education out of art. Hard labor if you have zero skills. I would also recommend moving out of the shithole that is NY as you'll get lower rent prices too. >Now that is the most unlikely outcome of this entire situation. It doesn't have to be. >>4075 >EVERYONE SAYS "JUST SELL ART JUST SELL THE ART YOU DOUBLE NIGGER" BUT WHERE DO I SELL THE ART WHY ARE YOU MAKING AN ABSTRACT STATEMENT LIKE I'M SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WJHAT TEHE FJUACK AARE YUO TAALKING ABBOUT CWISTOPHUH You say you dislike digital, so I'm assuming you don't want the easy way of drawing poon and getting pervert dollars. If you have physical media. You have options, you could approach galleries to show off your shit. You could also set up an online store to sell physical copies, though the logistics of people actually finding/caring about your site is low. Some hipster restaurants will hang up people's art with a price tag in case some dumbfuck thinks it's worth keeping. You could actually make a social life for yourself. Consider extorting friends and family first or at least getting feedback from them why they don't give a shit about your art.
>>4076 >This seems like a reversal of order. It would be far easier to monetize a comic and then really get into painting then vice versa. Furthermore I'm pretty certain modern architecture and labor laws means no one pays anyone to paint ceilings. I can't think of any religious institutions that do these days, and anything corporate is going to go full modern. Not sure how to monetize a comic. >No one pays anyone to pain ceilings. Well not with that attitude. >Withdrawal from classes is not withdrawing from the school entirely, it just means you aren't taking those classes specifically. If you are 100% committed to online school, go ahead and add those. If you don't know how to do any of these things, stop being an autistic fuck and call the school asking for any to help your sorry ass. They actively want your money so they *want* you to ask questions if you're a retard. True enough I guess. >Hard labor if you have zero skills. I would also recommend moving out of the shithole that is NY as you'll get lower rent prices too. What does that even entail I have zero skills from what I can tell even hard labor requires high school level math knowledge so you don't fuck up a building. I don't even have that. >If you have physical media. You have options, you could approach galleries to show off your shit. Well how do you do that, I'm not sure how to cold approach galleries for that kind of stuff. The rest is just unlikely, I have no friends or extended family, do not know the first thing about having an artist website and frankly hate the idea, the last thing I've thought of is just doing what Basquiat did and painting illegally on walls to market myself or make a giant fuck off painting on a sheet and hang it over a sky scraper after trespassing.
>>4077 >Not sure how to monetize a comic. Patreon, twitter whoring, paying for a website, selling physical copies. Takes a long time to pick up steam usually though. >Well not with that attitude. If you can find them go ahead, I'm not saying they don't exist I'm saying I can't see anyone who hires anyone to do that. You can make it a passion project, but those cost *you* money. >What does that even entail I have zero skills from what I can tell even hard labor requires high school level math knowledge so you don't fuck up a building. I don't even have that. First off, you didn't graduate High School but you managed to get into college? Second, I don't know if New York is different from the rest of the world but construction, janitor service, etc. doesn't require anything past High School and may not even require High School. Second moving entails moving, which means gathering all your things and moving to where jobs are instead of living in a shithole. >Well how do you do that, I'm not sure how to cold approach galleries for that kind of stuff. Well duh, you wouldn't be here if you didn't. Here's a hint, fucking try. >The rest is just unlikely, I have no friends or extended family, do not know the first thing about having an artist website and frankly hate the idea, the last thing I've thought of is just doing what Basquiat did and painting illegally on walls to market myself or make a giant fuck off painting on a sheet and hang it over a sky scraper after trespassing. Then fucking do it faggot. Go, do it right now. You sound like you have a better plan go do it.
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>>4055 >A college degree majoring in what? Get a cs degree. You will take a few math courses but they are manageable even if you are iq 89. Go to a college with internship partnership with big companies so you can start getting paid internship in your second year. Paid internship will net you at least $10k per year. >then some faggot will tell me to invest in crypto You should unironically invest in crypto in around 20 days from now. That goes for everyone btw. I do not know why you are in an art school when you are so poor. Art should be pursued at your own leisure when you have ample free time and money.
>>4082 Why 20 days specifically?
>>4082 I fucking suck at computers though dude, I got an F for my required digital arts class because I couldn't manage to use Adobe programs, imagine how bad I'll do at trying to code. Everyone says "Do STEM" like everyone has the capacity to STEMcel like no tomorrow the way they do. The one thing I can do on it is play games, and it's only some games. Are you telling me to become a e celeb or something then? Because your statement is forcefully reduced to that by default when speaking to me. >>4081 >Patreon, twitter whoring, paying for a website, selling physical copies. Takes a long time to pick up steam usually though. I fucking hate digital distribution and is not what I meant at all. I'd sooner wageslave for capeshit before I degrade myself to webcomic level. >Then fucking do it faggot. Go, do it right now. You sound like you have a better plan go do it. But as a last resort. I'd much rather work with a gallery obviously but where the fuck do I apply to have my work showcased.
>>4089 >I'd much rather work with a gallery obviously but where the fuck do I apply to have my work showcased. I don't know, perhaps, the galleries? Ever considered calling one and asking them questions about this?
>>4089 >I fucking hate digital distribution and is not what I meant at all. I'd sooner wageslave for capeshit before I degrade myself to webcomic level. As opposed to "can not call a university about a 10k$ purchase" or "ask another human being how to apply for a gallery" level of degradation? I'm sorry pal I think you need to realize how low you currently are. As a question will you refuse any payments outside cash or check because those rely on digital networks too? You sure are giving yourself one hell of a problem set.
>>4090 I'm not totally certain I can even get a check up on my works to see if they're worth selling by anyone I'd call, at best I'd get a referral. >>4091 >As a question will you refuse any payments outside cash or check because those rely on digital networks too? You sure are giving yourself one hell of a problem set. I don't even have a bank account but, no?
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So it seems I found a way to weaponize my boomers. Instead of hiding in my room like the NEET I wish I was I just work right here in the living room with them 30 feet away. Love them as I do they're annoying as fuck, but being in a constant state of agitation from their boomer hijinks has made me 100% more productive than I'd otherwise be hiding from them in my room and even makes their endless, constant stream of interruptions more manageable because I don't have to yell back and forth from my room with neither of us understanding the other until a long time has elapsed. This is truly, sincerely awful, but I'm more productive now than I have been in a long time so I think this is how it's going to have to be for the foreseeable future. God have mercy on my soul. They're blasting Kiss and Doobie Brothers at mind breaking volumes and asking me to give them the abridged life story of every band member, if you'd like some context for how my life is going right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1BqHjNafRk
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>>4094 For the record yeah I'm being a little hyperbolic and I am actually very glad they're in such good spirits. I enjoy my parents' company for the most part when they aren't bitching at eachother for no reason, but from the context of someone who'd never made it terribly far in any kind of discipline this lifestyle is much less than ideal. I don't think they're ever going to be able to live alone again though so it is what it is. It's not much worse than the roommate situations I'd dealt with in the past I guess.
Welp I might have to endure severe sleep deprivation but I managed to cut down travel costs at least and moved all my classes to one day, maybe two if my drop appeal for the shitty "required" one isn't accepted, that's something, or maybe it isn't. I will never know. It's probably a good chance to network in the city as well with galleries or if things get really bad start graffiti marketing like the street urchin I am. >>4094 Give me a minute.
>>4094 >>4096 Looking good, DaVinci Anon. >File size too large. Fuck off Acid.
>>4098 >8192x8192 image Isn't 32 MB the upload size limit? That's crazy high for an imageboard man, count your blessings.
>>4099 I thought it was 50, fuck you Acid. Whatever, when the time comes I can sell it full quality as an NFT or whatever to some scrub. The original is apparently 40 mb, the version you see now is believe it or not 6.
>>4082 >You should unironically invest in crypto in around 20 days from now. That goes for everyone btw. So buy on these days, does that mean if I am holding I should sell? Also, what is this based on?
>>4055 In regards to killing yourself by 23: I know how you feel. In college, I had a pretty specific plan in mind to kill myself, probably by the time I turned 25. Even though my life was going "as planned" on paper, I was immensely unhappy with myself and my situation. Things can and will change for you, and I believe they will change for the better. But you must work diligently and patiently on your life before that can happen. I ask you to procrastinate on any ideas of suicide. After all, there's no rush, so give life a chance and see what happens. >>4096 There was a lot of back and forth ITT regarding your situation, and maybe you got things figured out in between posts. Personally, I know absolutely nothing about "making it" as an artist in the current year. But I'm familiar with a handful of artists who seem to have a handle on it. Are there any artists that you know of, either on the internet or IRL, that do what you want to do? If so, then I would strongly encourage you to just email them and ask them how they got to where they are. Some of them might brush you off or not respond at all, but I think, more often than not, you will find that many of them are happy to give advice to people like you. It sounds like you have a broad range of interests, but are mostly interested in traditional, maybe you should check out Kendric Tonn. Here's a short video that introduces him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYfvOPgTa0E He's also got a website where you can find his work and contact information: kendrictonn.com Maybe the kind of work he does is similar to what you are interested in doing? If it is, I would encourage you to send him an email and ask him how he is able to be successful doing what he does. Ask him for the advice that he wishes he knew when he first started out. Or any other questions you have. In the meantime, you can still use school as an opportunity to meet people who might help you a LOT later down the line. My experience is different (CS grad), but I've been able to make a few connections that helped me in my job search, and can still be valuable contacts while I am working in the industry.
>>4085 I reached the conclusion that the last dip will occur around that time. >>4103 >So buy on these days Yes. >does that mean if I am holding I should sell? No. Swinging is dangerous without a good strategy at hand. >Also, what is this based on? Based on my algorithms and other people's analysis.
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>>4106 >Watch video >He literally just asked a gallery to look at his work and they listened But how do you do this do you just ask someone about how to do this. Which galleries do I even speak to I don't even think there's a single museum that isn't the two biggest one's in NYC.
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>>4109 >But how do you do this do you just ask someone about how to do this. YES YES YOU STUPID AUTISTIC FUCK. YOUR ADULT LIFE SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO NOT OFF YOURSELF WILL REVOLVE AROUND *YOU* NOT KNOWING THINGS AND OTHER PEOPLE KNOWING THINGS AND YOU WILL NEED TO FUCKING ASK. SOMETIMES RULES WILL BY EXPLICIT, MOST OF THE TIME THEY WILL NOT. GET OVER YOU FAT FUCKING SOCIAL ANXIETY COMPLEX YOU AUTISTIC PIECE OF SHIT AND REALIZE YOU NEED TO TALK TO PEOPLE TO MAKE THINGS FUCKING HAPPEN. REALIZE YOU NEED TO DO THIS EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME YOU ARE CONFUSED, OR OFF YOURSELF, I DON'T CARE WHICH, BUT THIS THREAD CAN NOT EXPLAIN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING STEP TO YOU ABOUT HOW TO LIVE YOUR FUCKING LIFE. God you are so insufferably retarded. Relying on your parents to fill out paperwork *you* should be filling out retard. Not being able to call a person whose entire job it is to encourage you to give them money. Not even considering the finances of the situation you're putting yourself in. There will come a time when no one can fucking hold your hand through every tiny fucking thing you need to do and you, yes you, will need to either kill yourself or realize you are an autistic retard and you will have to ask people autistically retarded questions about how to do mundane fucking tasks and appear autistically retarded for the world to see and get the fuck over it. God you piss me off so much.
>>4109 To be clear, I wouldn't expect it to be as easy as suggested in the video. In fact, I suspect Tonn had visited a number of galleries before finding one that both had available space and was interested in displaying his work. (Say, there's an idea for a question you could email him) nudge nudge >How do you do this Not to be as explosive as the other anon, here's what I would imagine: You literally walk in to a gallery and say something like: <Hi I'm anon, an artist from [insert home city], I'm interested in potentially showing my work in your gallery. Could I meet with some of your curators to review a selection of my work and discuss possibilities? Alternatively, you could also email the gallery. Email is convenient because you could include a link to your portfolio or website. That way, whoever reads your email can quickly tell that you are a serious artist. I have no idea what the galleries in your area are like. The easiest way to find them is to just search Google maps and look for some contact information. FYI, you might encounter some people who are tremendous assholes and will tell you to fuck off for even having the audacity to cold-call them. You might meet some genuinely decent people who are enthusiastic about showing a new artist in their gallery. No matter who you meet or what they say, don't get discouraged. The moment you throw up your hands and say "I guess I won't try," you've already lost. In my experience hunting for software jobs, I have had to send out literally hundreds of resumes through listings on job websites, email people I've never spoken to about possible openings at their company, reach out to friends of the family, and so on. Out of all the job leads I pursued, however, only one needed to work out. Now to be fair to the other anon, you are probably going to have to "get over yourself" and just take the plunge. If social interactions aren't your forte, then you are probably going to have a hard time. The video I linked also talks about how the artist is able to make connections with clients, models, other artists, the curators. No matter what you do for a living, it is immeasurably helpful to "know a guy who knows a guy." Chances are that anyone who is interested in buying your art will have friends who are also interested in art. If you have good people skills and make a good impression on buyers, they will probably want to refer their friends directly to you. The same applies to pretty much every single person you interact with as an artist.
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>>4110 Thanks. But you should know I'm doing what I can on my end I never said I wasn't. Just today I had to keep setting up my schedule but the bureaucratic system is hard to navigate, I had to fill out tons of forms and mail people, just to get no real gain, I might get a downgrade in my classes actually, but hey I'm doing something. I've also already started job searching but I have to know what my final schedule is first and that requires waiting, so yeah, not my fault. >Your adult life is built around not knowing things. That's not particularly helpful. >>4113 I suppose I'd have to look them up then, but in all honesty I expect nothing when I do approach them due to the fact that NYC has this stingy attitude towards people even among the lowest independent parts, even if it's like an artist union gallery in an abandoned building I expect the people in them to go >Sorry not street level enough. Or things of the sort. You know what's funny is that you get immediate gallery exhibiting opportunities set up by being in my school, but it's very hard to keep pushing through life in general under these conditions. The government should really give a handout program to people like the National Socialists did for anyone willing to start a family, but for people working on just getting on their feet. I miss Hitler.

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>>4114 I'm going to tell you something that would have saved me five years of pain and misery. You sound young, socially awkward, and have a lot of issues probably from not having someone in your life to guide you or even ask you questions about what it is you want out of life. I've been there, done that. And I'm telling you right now - give up. For your own benefit, through everything you've just described from living in a third-world state where your governor was just exiled, to not having your own bank account, give up. You don't have to quit art forever but realize that this dream of being a classical painter will not happen for a long time. I'm an Rx Tech because it pays better, covers dental/health/life, can pay rent, etc. My commissions don't do that. I don't buy new cars, I get beat-up, used Chevy's from Craigslist. I don't take out loans or credit on things I don't need and I can't pay back. You need to start thinking smaller, much smaller. Everything I'm telling you right now I try to think: "How will this help me be more self-sufficient and not reliant on others." This is not something that happens overnight, this is a mindset that will develop over time. >I miss Hitler. There's a lot of irony here. Because artists like Hitler and Jack Kirby had to put a pause on their career (on in Hitler's case, completely end his art dream) during WWII. During a crisis where people are not paid a living wage, there's a mass labor shortage, meanwhile low-skill, high-crime rate immigrants are still flooding into this country, you have to ZOOM OUT and really think: "Is this the best option for me right now?" You may never be that imaginary artist you dreamed of in your lifetime. But let God open up a window as this door closes for you.
>>4114 >But you should know I'm doing what I can on my end I never said I wasn't. Congrats on trying, I'll be fair, most haven't gotten that far, but my issue with you isn't that you're trying. It's that you're an austistic retard with zero knowledge of how the world works and yet your opinion of yourself is so high. >oh, I could NEVER deign to do digital distribution, I am too good for such things >I get so angry seeing shitty art in museums, that I know I could do so much better Maybe actually learn how to be a functional human adult that can support it's own existence before harshly defining what it is that is or isn't beneath you. If your weren't an autistic retard living with your parents I wouldn't take issue with your bullshit, because at least I know you're not 100% dead weight, but as it stands, you are, for all everyone else cares, a dog turd on the side walk. Barely noticed and actively avoided. Maybe be someone Hitler would actually want to work with before missing someone who probably hates how you function with every fiber of his being. >I've also already started job searching but I have to know what my final schedule is first and that requires waiting, so yeah, not my fault. You are 100% correct it is not your fault, big fucking whoop. It is your responsibility to deal with that. It's not your fault that you were born into this world but it certainly is your fucking responsibility now that you're here. It is not 100% your fault your life is shit, it is 100% your responsibility to make your life less shit. >That's not particularly helpful. Really? You're the autistic retard who didn't know when to submit his paperwork. Didn't know how to apply to a gallery. Didn't know whether or not his college took his fucking money properly. It sounds like the first fucking skill you should learn is how to know things.
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I did it GAMERSI got my vax exemption denied now I only have to take online classes and can get a real job instead. I'll also work on paintings and shit so I can get stuff to submit to an exhibition. >>4118 >There's a lot of irony here. Because artists like Hitler and Jack Kirby had to put a pause on their career (on in Hitler's case, completely end his art dream) during WWII. During a crisis where people are not paid a living wage, there's a mass labor shortage, meanwhile low-skill, high-crime rate immigrants are still flooding into this country, you have to ZOOM OUT and really think: "Is this the best option for me right now?" You may never be that imaginary artist you dreamed of in your lifetime. But let God open up a window as this door closes for you. I'm dealing with sleep deprivation right now so I don't think I read that right but if you're asking me to become Hitler 2: I'll try. This time I'll do it right and win. >>4064 The third. Ironically enough not for anyone sexual reason, just because it's become increasingly unlikely that I will ever find a single woman to date. I mean I Just missed out on another year of going outside with motivation to do something, women in this shithole state are all ugly, and the one's in my school are all foreign and now reduced to being computer screens presumably permanently. I have essentially lost out on the final years to really find a woman I like enough to marry while she's still unsullied and you know, not a whore, everyone memes that women after age 12 are all non virgin sluts, but no really the percentage drops off from age 19 from being like 50% being virgins to a hard 0.1%. My chances of getting a woman good enough to date are gone chief. I have as such developed the idea in recent years that I would perhaps be able to view the potential a girl, and I mean girl, would have to not only fulfil that purity virgin complex, but also sculpt and influence her into being the woman I always wanted by getting her on good dietary and exercise habits, as well as good mental education for the type of woman I'd always have wanted. One on my level. The power couple that I've dreamed of being, and if I'm unfortunately older by a decade or three so be it. Literal grooming not just to make her fuck me, marry me, but literally grooming her into the human being I want her to be and not who she would have organically been, all for my personal gain at the expense of her autonomy and hymen. I suppose you can say I wouldn't need to break the law to do this, but better to be safe than sorry. >Wow that's really fucked up, quite possibly the most fucked up thing I have read on this website thus far, I mean you might be an actual sociopath or psychopath or some shit dude, like we've all been calling you an insipid retarded autist this whole thread but there might actually be something deeply wrong with you. Thanks I know. Not really my problem. Don't worry though I'd never act on it obviously it would require too much labor and calculation on my end to engineer a human being from such a young age into my ideal woman then marrying her even if I did want to act on it. For all it's worth it's just a long story short way of saying I'll never really be able to have the idealist relationship I've always wanted. I will die alone and loveless. But I'll be damned if I don't die loveless, while also looking good and being accomplished. >>4119 You are 100% correct it is not your fault, big fucking whoop. It is your responsibility to deal with that. It's not your fault that you were born into this world but it certainly is your fucking responsibility now that you're here. It is not 100% your fault your life is shit, it is 100% your responsibility to make your life less shit. I never said it wasn't I simply am stating I'm using the feels thread for what it's made. To vent because life keeps piling unwanted responsibilities, blockades, and straight up closing roads I wanted to go down constantly on me. You're not wrong, my inaction hasn't helped improve things, but you're acting like I can do something here aside from just accept that I won't be able to do certain things I want. I hate it too I know, but there's only so much I can do apart from raping women mentally and physically or making equally as bad medical and financial decisions.
>>4122 >inflated sense of self worth >naivety about how to function around other adults >social anxiety <pedophile Checks out captain.
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>>4123 >Checks out captain. Well yeah, after all...
>>4122 >can't call a university to ask if they charged you correctly <desires to mold a child into his ideal human being Nigger you can't even get yourself functioning how the fuck would you ever make anything good let alone fucking ideal?
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>>4125 I have a broken phone that cannot record audio properly anyway, but more importantly there were just more factors that just led me to use email instead. It wouldn't have changed anything anyway but I'll call too from now on just to make you happy, random Anonymous person on 8chan.moe. I'm still not sure why you're so mad about that in specific. Did your life get saved with a payphone or something in the 90's, so you felt grateful to phones forever, and have become resentful of not only me but everyone born after 1993 for using online communications instead of telephone communications for general networking like generations of old? Serious question.
>>4122 >all that political justification for diddling children I'm glad you finally got your political thesis on why only the purest of 12-year-olds will do, at least it properly explains the rest of your posts and the way you approach the world. >>Wow that's really fucked up, quite possibly the most fucked up thing I have read on this website thus far, I mean you might be an actual sociopath or psychopath or some shit dude, like we've all been calling you an insipid retarded autist this whole thread but there might actually be something deeply wrong with you. Don't fucking kid yourself, this isn't close to the most fucked up thing I've read on an imageboard. Compared to self-actualized pedophiles who make the world actively worse you're nothing but, again, dead weight. At least they actually do things, you're just refuse. >You're not wrong, my inaction hasn't helped improve things, but you're acting like I can do something here aside from just accept that I won't be able to do certain things I want. Well you aren't doing that, if you did you wouldn't be going to Art School. You'd accept the current state of affairs as >>4118 and realize you aren't going to be living the idyllic life of an artist. >I hate it too I know, but there's only so much I can do apart from raping women mentally and physically or making equally as bad medical and financial decisions. You could choose neither and become a functioning member of society since you obviously missed the boat when it came to being a genius going through Art School. Geniuses don't come out of their parents house at 23 ready to face the world. You obviously don't sound well off, so I'm imaging the "abusing my wealth to network" angle is also cut off. So I'm not seeing any good reason to make the retarded moves you're making other than pride. >>4126 >I have a broken phone that cannot record audio properly anyway Well that's certainly a different story from here >>4066 >Unlikely since I'm already anxious enough I guess I'll just have to ask by email I was making fun of you for thinking how much above Hollywood and the money laundering high art scene you were when get more anxious from needing to make a phone call. If your phone's broke just say so next time retard. "I'm anxious" is something no one but your spouse (that you don't have), friends (that you also don't have) or family (which you don't get along with) give a single utter shit about. It's not a good reason to avoid doing something.
>>4127 Go back to Reddit immediately.
>>4128 And you should fuck off to discord, gotta start early to groom that perfect Aryan waifu.
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>>4122 Stop with this nonsense. The internet has completely disconnected you from reality. Try getting off the internet for a week or two to detox your brain. You made a mistake by going to art school. You cannot get a job with an art degree and there is no glory in being a starving artist. I strongly suggest you take a year off to fix all of your personal problems such as the relationship with your parents and your social anxiety. Assuming your parents are not in huge debts they are still crucial for your financial independence by providing housing thus saving on rent and other expenses.
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>>4127 >Compared to self-actualized pedophiles who make the world actively worse you're nothing but, again, dead weight. At least they actually do things, you're just refuse. >you're just refuse. You've* Also did you just try to incite me into breaking multiple laws in over 100 different nations over your can do philosophy? Hmmmm... >>4137 >You cannot get a job with an art degree and there is no glory in being a starving artist. Rembrandt. Van Gogh. Fragonard. Caravaggio. Vermeer. Yeah... Yeah there kind of is, I'm kind of exceptionally cool for being poor and lonely now, I'll likely give away my fortune and set my works to the public domain when I die without giving a cent to my kids or family, and yeah I'm dying penniless and miserable too. And yeah... you can't stop me. I'm going to be self destructive and a cancerous violent human being who's equally as much of an asshole as he is a genius like all artists of old were. You forget that these people got their noses broken for insulting other artists, killed and assaulted other human beings, and often died alone, sick, depressed, penniless, and bitter. That's cool. That's pretty cool. I'm kinda cool. Yeah... I'm pretty cool. So true. Still not breaking any laws short of becoming Hitler's top guy and leading the revolution to destroy Israel if I need to though FBI, nice try.
>>4141 Also *refused Also check em'.
>>4141 >Also did you just try to incite me into breaking multiple laws in over 100 different nations over your can do philosophy? No, I said at least those guys are respectable purely on the level of going for it. I at least want to properly strangle an actual kiddie diddler to death, with you I just want you to finally off yourself where I can't see you because you physically make me ill as opposed to angry. >You've* When I say, you are just refuse, I mean you are just refuse. I am using this definition. >noun. ref·​use | \ ˈre-ˌfyüs , -ˌfyüz \ Definition of refuse (Entry 2 of 3) 1 : the worthless or useless part of something : leavings. 2 : trash, garbage. I would kind of expect a pedophile who can't understand high school math, thinks Art school is a good investment (in the US) to not be able to read well though. >You forget that these people got their noses broken for insulting other artists, killed and assaulted other human beings, and often died alone, sick, depressed, penniless, and bitter. >You forget that these people got their noses broken for insulting other artists, killed and assaulted other human beings, and often died alone, sick, depressed, penniless, and bitter. You get social anxiety asking questions, and you're comparing yourself to these guys? >Still not breaking any laws short of becoming Hitler's top guy and leading the revolution to destroy Israel if I need to though FBI, nice try. Give me one good fucking reason Hitler would want you to be his top guy you retard? Why would Hitler want anything to do with you?
>>4144 >Give me one good fucking reason Hitler would want you to be his top guy you retard? Why would Hitler want anything to do with you? I got into art school he didn't.:^) But no seriously though, I never share art online but I've made tons of OC across the web (that I never monetized for obvious reasons) which would help spread the cause for one. Probably more reasons too. Can you say Hitler would want you to fight for him? >No, I said at least those guys are respectable purely on the level of going for it. I at least want to properly strangle an actual kiddie diddler to death, with you I just want you to finally off yourself where I can't see you because you physically make me ill as opposed to angry. That means a lot to me, thanks. But I don't think even on an ironic level you can call going though with breaking the law and mindbreaking a kid respectable. >When I say, you are just refuse, I mean you are just refuse. I am using this definition. >noun. ref·​use | \ ˈre-ˌfyüs , -ˌfyüz \ Definition of refuse (Entry 2 of 3) 1 : the worthless or useless part of something : leavings. 2 : trash, garbage. But "You are just refuse" seems like a incorrect way of saying it even if you're going for moespeak or doing it intentionally. It should be "you are refusing." Listen, there's only one way to settle this, we need to call an expert linguist who has studied everything from Latin, to old English, to modern Ebonics, because I am certain under no circumstances does that make grammatical sense. >You get social anxiety asking questions, and you're comparing yourself to these guys? If it makes you feel better I did ask the question, anyone would feel anxiety under these circumstances, and I'm not anti social, just socially violent.
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>>4141 >Van Gogh. To starve with paintings that will be worth millions in a few centuries is equivalent to Greg Schoen selling his 1700 BTC at $0.30 except you do not even get to 5x. It is the ultimate cuckoldry. >I die without giving a cent to my kids or family You will not have kids or family if you continue like this. >often died alone, sick, depressed, penniless, and bitter. That's cool. Suffering for no reason other than pride is cringe. >I'm pretty cool. Being a poor art student is cringe. >becoming Hitler's top guy and leading the revolution to destroy Israel if I need Hitler is dead.
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>>4146 >Can you say Hitler would want you to fight for him? No, because unlike you I can tell I'm not a decent enough human being for that yet. >But I don't think even on an ironic level you can call going though with breaking the law and mindbreaking a kid respectable. Compared to you they are, what does that say about you? >But "You are just refuse" seems like a incorrect way of saying it even if you're going for moespeak or doing it intentionally. It should be "you are refusing." "Refuse" as an noun is not something refuses, it is the trash that is tossed out of something. The ocean is a great example with gross plastics, dead kelp and fish parts. Here, I have attached a picture example of ocean refuse so you can better understand how I view you. If you wanted me to be wordy, I guess I could call you "The refuse of human society". Would that make you feel better? >If it makes you feel better I did ask the question, anyone would feel anxiety under these circumstances, and I'm not anti social, just socially violent. Normalfags may feel anxious about not knowing the current situation, but they do not get anxious about asking. Because the average socialfag experiences stress-relief when talking to others.
>>4146 >I'm not anti social, just socially violent. Nigger, you can't even call the university to ask basic questions, let alone submit your work to a gallery. You aren't "socially violent," you're socially inept. Get off your high horse and put your feet in the mud. Get through school and actually put some effort in so you can get something worthwhile out of the experience. Stop idolizing Hitler, he fucked up and lost a perfectly winnable war. He's a loser. Deal with your Madonna/Whore complex. Chances are you aren't actually attracted to twelve year old girls (have you ever even spoken to one?), you just have a totally warped image of what you think women are supposed to be. Women are just people, some of them are decent, some are not, like everyone else.
>>4032 >>4052 >>4055 >>4066 >>4073 >>4075 >>4077 >>4089 anon have you ever considered doing furry porn
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>>4141 Why don't you actually go outside and do something interesting instead of larping on a Taiwanese basket-weaving forum you absolute sperg.
>>4152 I cannot make erotic art. If I could I would make hentai already, tons of it, but I cannot. I just can't. I have done studies of horsecocks before but I just can't fucking make it erotic. >>4149 >Hitler is dead. Post discarded. >>4151 >Deal with your Madonna/Whore complex. Chances are you aren't actually attracted to twelve year old girls (have you ever even spoken to one?), you just have a totally warped image of what you think women are supposed to be. Women are just people, some of them are decent, some are not, like everyone else. But I hate people. Also yeah I have, 12 year old girls are annoying, women in general at any age are, but you're lying to yourself if you think life isn't a numbers game, and the younger the woman, the higher the percentage for potential isn't there in such a hypothetical situation. >>4150 >"Refuse" as an noun is not something refuses, it is the trash that is tossed out of something. The ocean is a great example with gross plastics, dead kelp and fish parts. Here, I have attached a picture example of ocean refuse so you can better understand how I view you. If you wanted me to be wordy, I guess I could call you "The refuse of human society". Would that make you feel better? Oh right. I have never heard of anyone outside of the British use that term in that fashion, which is unfortunate that HItler didn't take them out. The anglo saxons are truly a subhuman race. Rational human beings you see, only view the term refuse as a verb, it literally comes up as the first definition on the internet and most dictionaries. The British of course, are not rational human beings. >>4153 I have the spare time to do so for one. Why don't you?
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>>4154 Tell me about your horsecock hentai ideas, anon.
>>4154 >The anglo saxons are truly a subhuman race. Rational human beings you see, only view the term refuse as a verb, it literally comes up as the first definition on the internet and most dictionaries. 100% agreed, you have a point trogolodyte? You're a 56% face and you're going to bitch about anglos?
>>4155 I have none, I just said I only did studies and they came off as flat, unerotic, I cannot draw anything sexual. >>4156 >You're a 56% face and you're going to bitch about anglos? Well I'm not of the generic American descent. I have mostly Greek ancestry actually, but the USA has been bitching about the British since at least the Civil War when they backed the Confederacy to destabilize the country. How can you not expect resentment of the British?
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>>4154 >I just can't fucking make it erotic. Draw wholesome, non-erotic horsecocks then.
>>4157 Still got your studies on hand? I'm sure someone here can give you some tips on how to zest it up a bit.
>>4158 But I can't draw cartoons or stylized art either. >>4159 Fuck I don't think so they were done 3 years ago or so, I would have to look, or worse, ask my mother, I might have thrown it out and despite being-- I'm not going to say an idiot, but was never fit to be a parent, she's still my mom and loves my art so she collects all the art I throw out for not being good enough. Maybe she's holding out on the idea that I succeed one day then she can sell them all and make enough money to retire off me. >Wait so your mom might have drawings of horse cocks you made? YES Maybe, I don't know, they're likely gone forever because I might have thrown them into some box somewhere.
>>4160 Post your work already.
>>4161 >implying anyone who bitches this much has work to post
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When your homeless and trying to sell your work but everyone wants a portrait. And I'm not a portrait artist Fml Aha anon reporting in
>>4169 >>4161 If either of you are serious and not just shilling a shit /ic/ cuckchannel meme, I will not post any of my physical work without payment because I'm not scanning it for posting because it takes too much work and I cannot be half assed to wash my hands, pull out my storage folder, and post even my basic sketches much less my serious work, but if you want something here's a meme drawing that I made digitally in 16 minutes days ago. >>4098
>>4173 you might not be a master atelier, but you are a master of excuses.
>>4171 Welcome back frond; good to see you again. Sorry to hear you're going through some sh*t rn tho
>>4173 >won't show his work for free <will pay 10,000$ to show professors his work Checks out
No bulli
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The fuck did I just read in the last forty posts? LMAO I love you guys. You're all so wholesome in your own rights.
>>4197 >forty Admittedly I haven't slept and wouldn't trust myself to count my fingers, but I think double that number is closer to the truth.
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I finally made back all the money I lost during the short squeeze. I am back in business. Rate.
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>>4201 >tfw went from 6k to 1k back to 6k between first and second short squeeze iftf
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I just finished registering classes all to be online and specifically around my schedule. Now not that anyone gives a shit and you shouldn't, but I just realized something: I am fucking terrible at scheduling, oh my God I am fucking terrible at scheduling. I just looked through a list of classes I couldn't attend because they were full even if I had been able to go in person and there were no vaccine shit. I got irrationally angry because so many of them were just simply shit like going to museums and stuff I already do in my spare time as hobbies. It would have been the comfiest, easiest shit, easy A. Of course they were all full because everyone power grabs the easiest classes like I would have if I weren't such a dense fucker. I would say it's not fully my fault, but no it really is. I gotta make a note to take it upon myself to register early next year because I don't wanna miss out on the free win easy classes next year. Even with the classes I had set up previously they were almost all annoying to just hear their descriptions. It would have been a shit year anyway and in retrospect this is an improvement. I have to read Crime and Punishment and fucking Jekyll and Hyde now instead of Machiavelli and Plato so I wouldn't say it's too much of one, but it is just barely. I should ideally get an online only job too. If not I'll have to get one at night because I'm just naturally a night owl and sleep 9 hours during the day. If not, honestly? Night time jobs are probably easier, worst case scenario I get shived walking back home. Oh yeah you'll all be glad to note I'm working on a series of paintings, which is really just one but I won't elaborate further, to ever sell in a gallery, as well as getting a job just in general like mentioned above. Ideally I'll have 3 by the end of the year, just to maximize profit give me your best advice on tax evasion now.
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I recovered from my leverage trading losses and am even in profit. Now that I have gotten a pretty good hang of how the market works I am finally ready to invest the bulk of my capital. I will stop talking about trading unless I get rekt again because there is nothing more boring and annoying than someone making money through crypto. Meanwhile whales losing their money is always fun to watch. >>4206 >tax evasion >US citizen LOL
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>go to work a substitute teaching job >they moved two vending machines into a bathroom
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>Search for jobs online >Work from home >It's all either a bunch of gibberish or "tech support" >look up night shift jobs >it's all just medical work >Most of them ask for a GED or highschool diploma equivalent >Even the supermarket jobs I expect to get are jibberish asking for what is basically 12 jobs at any time you're called to do it because fuck you I'm not sure where to even apply for a job at a local store for night shifts if any night shifts even exist anymore thanks to COVID schedules. I'm planning on just asking one of the employee's straight up where to apply for work after walking in. I don't expect to get far because I'll likely just get rejected from lack of qualifications or find there isn't a schedule I can work with. But wait there's more >University actually has a pretty detailed job program >Oh sick, there has to be something here I can do right. >GRAPHIC DESIGN >GRAPHIC DESIGN >GRAPHIC DESIGN >GRAPHIC DESIGN >ILLUSTRATION >GRAPHIC DESIGN >GRAPHIC DESIGN >FUCK YOU The only job that stood out to me was >Art Studio Assistant But I don't even know what the fuck you do there, from the one description I got you're supposed to offer critical help with the artists process and help with networking calls and management. The problem is I can't manage anything so I can't do the secretary part of the job, and I can't really offer critique because I just hate criticizing other people's works. Even if I did know what the fuck do to I'm still too far away to do it without spending money on travel. Whatever, worst case scenario I end up having to deal drugs or try to and get caught in a fed honeypot, but at least then I'll go to jail and actually network with criminals, get better living conditions than my current one's, and by the time I'm out I'll be able to at least sell my paintings as a tax evasion scheme for mob bosses, and cocaine trafficking by infusing the cocaine into the paint so my paintings will actually be inherently worth something. Things can only go up from here. >>4213 At least you have a job. At least your job provides a bathroom and food. Now you can shit while eating a chocolate bar.
>>4214 You sound like a faggot.
>>4214 You don't sound like a faggot to me, but you sound like someone who underestimates what he's capable of. You can easily find jobs and have a good life if you're likable. You don't even have to attractive for that. Just be positive and thoughtful. Working on your mental state and inherent happiness is the greatest asset you can develop.
>>4214 What is graphic design anyway? It seems like it's just about making shitty alegria style vector art.
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>>4219 Not that anon, but I've given my hand at trying to learn graphic design for give-or-take four months before deciding it wasn't really for me. It can be a variety of things - mascots, icons, user-interface and web design, logos, etc. A lot of graphic designers will learn more than one of these things to increase their skills and chance of getting work. It's not the worst idea in the world for a creative person, but I lost motivation just looking at what passes for graphic design in modern advertising and brand design. Ask yourself this, how many companies even want a recognizable mascot anymore? A lot of fun, quirky character art is obsolete because it would draw negative attention. If your brand is focused on being inclusive and diverse, you can't have a mascot that represents your company values. Alegria is a part of this problem because it attempts to be the most inclusive and diverse style for brand design by making its "people" unnatural skin colors and with limbs and shapes purposefully out of proportion. CD jacket designs that had paintings with intention and movie poster designs where artists where hired to paint the models are all gone in favor of absolutely abhorrent photography or bad photoshop jobs. Advertising art and graphic design isn't entirely dead but it's absolutely soulless.
>>4222 >Advertising art and graphic design isn't entirely dead but it's absolutely soulless. Yeah and that's why studio assistant was the only one that stood out. I still have no clue what to do regarding jobs, it's hard to get one as of now, but by the end of the week I'll just ask at every grocery store in town I know of if they have night shift openings.
>>3448 What a piece of shit paper. Time and time again I am utterly appalled at how fucking shit academia tends to be, especially in fields such as sociology.
>>4219 >What is graphic design anyway? It seems like it's just about making shitty alegria style vector art. <What is science anyway? It seems like it's just about making shitty algebra style mathematics equations.
>>4141 In case you haven't noticed, this website is rife with halfchan/reddit/twitter normalfags. I suggest you also not use their slang even ironically, even words that may have been fine but became popularized by them (such as glownigger after Metokur made that video on Terry; really interesting that that only became a meme after the video, isn't it? almost like these sites are full of idiots who don't belong who need surrogate fathers to dictate for them). You seem like the kind of person who cares about improving yourself, so I'm sure you'll listen. Also, stop masturbating. Niggers tongue my anus.
>>4236 >even words that may have been fine but became popularized by them How would anyone even know what lingo halfchan/reddit/twitter are using without visiting those places? Have you been browsing them?
>>4236 It's hard to keep up with the times and filter out what was or wasn't just cuckchan lingo vs original slang. >>4239 Because you cannot go five seconds without seeing it on any other website like YouTube.
>>4240 I don't watch Youtube either.
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I am thinking about taking the J&J vaccine because it seems like the safest of them all. I have until next year to do it though and I am pretty sure covid would have ended by then. Rate.
>>4250 If you're concerned about mRNA vaccine tech and have a year to wait, you can just get Novavax instead when it comes out. It's a traditional vaccine.
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>>4251 >Novavax Looks like the safest vaccine by a long shot. I will be getting that then. Thanks.
>>4250 I'm basically not going to take it (the vaccine) Ugh...I know. I know! I'm SORRY! ...but I'm just not going to take it is all. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Fuck am I tired. It takes serious labor to do an under drawing for a painting that's 6x6 feet on the ground, fuck I wish I knew where to buy giant fuck off canvases. I had to seriously stop after a while and just sit down and drink a glass of water Jesus Christ that was astoundingly shit. Next time I'm just going around town and asking them if they'll let me paint on their walls for free or just go full graffiti and do it unauthorized because I am not doing that standing while the paper lays on the floor, my body holy fuck, on the hottest week of September too FUCK YOU END THE HEAT ALREADY IT'S MID SEPTEMBER WHAT ARE YOU DOING GOD Still haven't found a job either, I'm just going to have to go out scouting physically because I have absolutely no idea where to go. I would ask for which places don't mind hiring unvaccinated people but my town has a fuck ton of local businesses thanks to liberal middle class gentrification allowing for non corporate but even more expensive businesses to take over and fight off McDonalds and Walmart no literally, they removed them from town years ago so asking wouldn't yield answers unless you live in my area and it sounds like no one here does. >>4254 Me too. Given that it apparently doesn't stop the spread of corona at all I really wish those of us who already had corona and didn't die can go back out with the same privilege's I mean shit, if the vaccinated can't even prevent themselves from getting it then at the end of the day we're superior if nothing else. Or well I'd like to think. In all likely hood I would have ended up getting fucked over anyway and being able to go outside wouldn't have made any difference in how I could or could not improve my life. Upon assessment of all prior information I would have still been forced into living the way I am but just slightly able to socialize more at the literal cost of budget sacrifice that I wouldn't be able to afford. I mean the majority of my classmates are all foreigners, and the one's who aren't are all butter faces, there was like 3 total white women I've met thus far, and two are, like I said butter faces, one isn't even fully white, and has hair dye. She just screams "Frida Kahlo wannabe." Which I can't blame her for but anyway, point being I hold zero reason to socialize at this point. I just got to focus on the grind.
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>>4254 >I'm basically not going to take it (the vaccine) >Ugh...I know. I know! >I'm SORRY! >...but I'm just not going to take it is all. >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>4250 I wouldn't recommend you to let yourself be injected with nanobots that will be remotely controlled through 5G towers. (Although it would probably be cool for a moment to have a magnetic spot on your body.) I recommend believing in Jesus Christ as your savior.
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>>4260 >muh schizo fantasy muh sky daddy That's crazy bro but how am I supposed to avoid the vaccine when they forbid unvaccinated people to enter the building?
>>4261 Don't go in the building retard.
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>>4266 >>4266 Nice dubs but I have to. Work from home ended weeks ago. I just boughted btw.
>>4272 Welp, if your job is that important to you then I can't stop you. Honestly I'm lucky to have entered education and start looking for work during the pandemic, it sets up very low expectations and even better, I can just turn down job offers that force me to get vaccinated before I ever commit to them as well as school.
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>>4279 >Welp, if your job is that important to you then I can't stop you. It's my best bet for retiring in my 20s so I am willing to tolerate the inconveniences. I could probably switch but all the big places are super globohomo so it makes almost no difference. >I'm lucky to have entered education and start looking for work You're gonna make it.
>>4280 >oy vey I'm chasing a ludicrous jewish fantasy because I was told it's possible >oh no now the ZOG has made it impossible for me to do the thing they lied to me about being possible in the first place >muh stabby jab is worth this delusion continuing! Absolutely fucking pathetic.
>>4281 The ZOG is fine with retirees as long as they still consume. Only absolute retards are forced to work due to lack of forethought.
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>>4281 >ludicrous jewish fantasy Retiring early is perfectly doable though. I am doing very well compared to my peers and have a pretty good idea of what I need to do to achieve my goal. >muh stabby jab I have already thought it through and taking the vaccine is but a bump in the road to financial freedom. I don't want to end up like the med school graduates who lost their job as a practitioner because they were too unyielding to take the vaccine. >Absolutely fucking pathetic. To retire early and not having to worry about money in your old age is absolutely fucking based.
>>4283 Enjoy the potential health risks that come with the vaccine. By the way should I wait for my parents to see if they can help out with my job search or should I just apply for a work from home one that likely doesn't pay enough to live off of but is worth risking.
>Found a job worth freelance applying for >It's one of those "Online work for a corporation and maybe work hard enough to make barely 1k a week" jobs >Whatever sure I need something >It requires paypal >try registering paypal >It needs a card >Have never had a card >Never even had allowance because I was always a non materialistic person but now I need a room to live in which costs more than anything I have ever wanted before I know this isn't the best place to ask but what the fuck do I do. Do I join a credit union since I hear they're better? Just apply for a card from Visa ASAP online because I need to see what this job entails? I don't know what to do here /loomis/ I have never done anything like this in my life before but I need to. I don't know where to start. I know, it's become exceptionally pathetic treating this thread this way since this probably can't even be considered venting any more but I'm completely lost. I'm scared and desperate, I haven't been able to exercise regularly in 3 weeks, and my heart is on the verge of suicide by rupture or heart attack at the rate I've been going. I need to be self dependent by the end of the year or I'm just backflipping off the nearest skyscraper or my own building. Please help. How the fuck do I become a functioning adult. I would have needed to ask anyway in the end because any job requires some sort of account to send money to but I have none.
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>>4288 I assume depends on the country you're in. I don't live in America (thank you, lord) but here you can open a bank count at any bank. If you're younger than an X age you don't even have to pay fees, because they pray on you staying with them once you have your bank account. Your job ain't going to pay cash, so you probably just need "a card" as in, a place where they can send you your salary. Just go to a bank (or banks, if you want to choose around. And you should, given some banks may have better or worse deals) and explain to them your situation and what you need from them. It may cost a small fee (or it may be a monthly thing), but that depends on the bank and whatnot. Opening a deposit with a credit card shouldn't be a big work, or at least, it isn't here. Banks literally make money out of having clients deposit money in their vaults afterall. People there work for you and, while, they're trying to sell you a service they're literally paid by mr.money to hear any sort of autistic question you may have. From there doing a paypal account is quite easy. Just a website thing. Don't get scared Anon: take a big breath and pet your cat.
>>4288 Go into a banking lobby and ask for help setting up a checking account. They actively want to help you store money. Take your SS card and birth certificate with you. They will give you a card by the end of the day, and hold your hand through the process. Again, the steps are >get SS card and birth certificate >physically go to a bank >ask for help setting up a checking account >answer all the questions the person asks you
>>4290 I HAVE NO PET CAT >>4291 Shit do I need my birth certificate with me? Can't I apply for a card online now without a cosigner?
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>>4292 Just fucking go talk to a bank dude. They'll tell you what to do and what to bring and probably how to get what you need. Don't be retarded and apply for some random card online (if you even can) that may not be able to accept payments because it's only a debit card. Hell, here in europe you can open a pseudo-bank found even at the post office, you don't even fucking need a bank.
>>4293 The problem is I need a copayment before age 21 because of the card act here in the USA. >Consumers under the age of 21 must prove that they have an independent income or get a co-signer before applying for a credit card. Another gay retard law made to protect people from capitalism only to make capitalism worse to live under seriously full on socialism or anarcho capitalism is the only way a good society functions meaning I either need a cosigner or a job first, but this job needs a credit card first, and my parents refuse to cosign before I get a job or worse, in general because they're assholes. See the problem here? Whatever I just improvised and found some wagie job at a grocery store during the night shift, I don't think a resume is required, and I have none, should I just freeball it and fill out the fields they let me fill out then just apply? I mean what are they gonna do, reject me?
>>4294 Actually ignore this post I've chosen to just go and ask physically because I don't want to apply for a job that just ends up having shit requirements like say a mandate for the vaccine. They are owned by Amazon after all. I'm still not sure of what to do with my life here since I'm already pretty lost but whatever in the end, at the end of the day if every single place rejects me for whatever reason I can always just apply to a gallery or auction house despite my low self esteem from sheer desperation or just go into the woods, I know for a fact once you start going between Albany and the lower New York area there are secluded area's with nothing but tree's, deer, and sasquatches. Legally speaking no one is allowed to go in the woods onto land you haven't paid for to cut down tree's and build your own house, but at the same time those fags won't be able to locate a cabin covered in miles of tree's, there are area's with no phone coverage so there's no way they'd be able to find me if I go off grid. Worst case scenario I meet a bigfoot, or dogman, or interdimensional forest demon who rips me apart and imprisons my soul in the 5th dimension for eternity with never ending pain and I go missing forever and completely forgotten having disappeared at the atomic level. The sad part is that things have gotten so bad that both that and death no longer sound like unwanted things.
>>4294 I'm sorry a credit card? No credit card, you want a Debit card. Credit card is for making purchases you intend to pay back at the end of the month.
>>4296 Can I hypothetically take out a rent on an apartment on credit and then pay at the end of the month? Also yeah the Card act still applies to debit cards I believe.
>>4297 >Can I hypothetically take out a rent on an apartment on credit and then pay at the end of the month? Theorhetically yes, but you will be charged additional fees for using a card to pay for rent as opposed to directly out of the account.
>>4297 Card Act only effects Credit Cards, it has zero things to do with debit cards.
>>4294 Other anons have beat me to it but... You sure it applies both to credit and debit card? I can understand why they'd want people under 21 and without a credit not to be able to purchase a debit card. But I don't see why you wouldn't be able to open a bank found. Also I don't think a debit card would help, as far as I know you can't receive money on most of them
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I met up with some old friends. We went to a restaurant and I was the only one who could not enter because I was unvaccinated. They did not want to leave me behind so we ordered takeout instead and ate somewhere else. I felt like a burden but they said that it was alright and that the vaccine card requirement was messed up. Turns out they were worried about me because I lost contact with them for so long. I told them what I have been doing during these years and they said I have 5x their combined net worth. They congratulated me on my success and we left a few hours later. I have always thought of the world as a hostile place where no one would care even if I die but turns out there really are people who care about my wellbeing aside from my parents. It feels very heartwarming. I never really considered anyone my friend so I did not gave a second thought when I deleted all my social media and went tinfoil hat mode a long time ago. I feel guilty for ghosting them but at the same time I value my privacy above everything else. Either way I would like to find a way to stay in contact with them for at least 10 more years. Rate.
>>4300 The debit card is required to open the paypal which is required to receive the payment from the possible employer.
I'm getting set up in the woods and it's going forward. I won't have to deal with gobberment annoyances for another year, so I can focus on getting set up over here. I hope that Drawpile doesn't eat too much bandwidth, because I will need to buy some kind of prepaid internet card if I want to access the Matrix out here. I love it here. I love the cold air, working outside while it rains and being soaked and cold. Choppong wood in the cold, because it's the only real source of heat out here, except for my own body. I love harvesting the fruits andbvegetables, which taste so much better than anything you could buy in the city, that it's impossibly hard to discribe with words. The air is fresh, the soil is rich. Everything is so visceral and real. This is what I call real reference for my art. Unspeakable and yet undeniably valuable for my art.
>>4303 that's great but consider you don't need the internet that bad, hit up a mc donalds once a week or some other place with free wifi. Personally if I had it my way and could live like that, I'd just leave this shit behind altogether. it's not that important, at the end of the day.
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Well I finally did it and completed my application screening. I may or may not have fucked it up at the end by double clicking the "Continue" button only to get 404'd. I hope hope that it was an intentional disconnect on the company website part because the link served it's purpose. Seriously though I'm praying all goes well. I doubt I'll be able to exercise or anything until I get adjusted to both work and school schedules which is going to be hell until I get an apartment as soon as possible, which is why I'm more than open to just jumping head first into debt to get one. Also unrelated but >Went out to buy copic markers today >Got pic related as final product Absolutely unacceptable. The color just doesn't do good for skin tones at all, I'm thinking of sending back in specific the YR00 I got because it's too orange, and is already dry and scuffed as all hell. Pic related was a 5 minute sketch but already I can tell I need to send back that one at least. Because of that cunt who made the "Le epic shoplifting comic" too I couldn't draw with them to sample which one's to get immediately, they're locked behind panel glass with locks and you can only pick them out and buy them instead of using them freely. Honestly though thank God I didn't, it would have been embarassing to put up even small art next to other people's on the small 5x5 paper sketch pad they have out for testing with these colors. I mean all the other art on it was tumblr tier shit made by 12 year olds riffing off Jamie Hewlett but shit if I wouldn't look just as bad thanks to this. If I ever see that bitch I am beating her to death, I am almost certain she caused this with her garbage comic. Remember kids, shoplifting does nothing to destroy capitalism you just make life worse for everyone else. Fucking goobers. At last I understand why Hitler banned degenerate art, it's not just "I do not like modern art, it scares me" these queers and their practices directly affect everyone butterfly effect style with their mindsets and need to actually be suppressed for everyone else not to suffer. Can someone please tell me which copic marker model numbers are actually the best for skin tone? >>4298 How much are the additional fee's? >>4299 Doesn't matter if I can get an apartment using a credit card to go in debt by $1-1.5k a month before even getting my first check I'd do it. A debit card would help less.
>>4305 >Doesn't matter if I can get an apartment using a credit card to go in debt by $1-1.5k a month before even getting my first check I'd do it. A debit card would help less. This would sincerely be a better move than going into debt for a art school, and i say that with a straight face. Most apartments however won't take you in without proof of income however, so that means it's impossible to float rent on a credit card until you get a job, you need the job first. Nor does this cover the fact with zero credit background you'd probably qualify for a 300$ creditcard at best.
>>4305 As a digicuck I might've just gotten this mixed up, but I thought the entire point of copics was that you can layer them very well. Have you tried basically mixing through opacity? Harassing the company because "x color doesn't work for the task I mistakenly tried to put it to using the worst conceivable approach for the medium" seems really absurd. But maybe I misunderstood the problem.
>>4307 Shhhhh, he's really smart and going to be a great painter some day, you shouldn't point out he was using his tools wrong.
>>4307 No, the colors are quite literally too far removed from human skin tone even with mixing or blending of any sort. In addition if you look at the image I posted closely, the ink seems to be way too dried on the YR00 anyway, it leaves too many white spots, it's noticeable if you study it under a microscope or in this case, a scanner. It quite literally justifies a return even if blending could have salvaged the colors themselves. >>4308 But the tools I was using were literally incorrect to begin with, and I wouldn't have this problem if I could have just used them myself before buying them. Instead of being a smartass who tries to devalue everything anyone else says maybe work on understanding posts first before getting involved in a conversation. >>4309 >Your grasp of how skintone works appears to be fundamentally flawed. I agree. So what in specific is wrong with it? Apart from the color choice being inherently incorrect to use for human skin tone in addition to the lack of ink fucking up the effect completely. Because I'm hearing 50 complaints from you motherfuckers and 0 pieces of helpful advice barring one 2nd hand remark made by someone who has good intentions but isn't helping in the end. You literally dedicated your post body to mostly insulting me instead of elaborating. >>4306 I am getting a job before I get a card. It shouldn't be a problem if it's that's the case. The only problem might be stingy landlords who would find it too little income even if I only go to the cheapest apartments.
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>>4305 Your marker technique looks amateur. >Honestly though thank God I didn't, it would have been embarassing to put up even small art next to other people's on the small 5x5 paper sketch pad they have out for testing with these colors. I mean all the other art on it was tumblr tier shit made by 12 year olds riffing off Jamie Hewlett but shit if I wouldn't look just as bad thanks to this. >markers are locked behind the case <there's a testpad you can use to test the markers out Which one is it faggot? Or did you do that narcisstic autist thing where you felt "too embarrassed" to ask a store employee to open the case and let you test?
>>4309 In addition Mr, Now Deleted >Scared to put his art on a sketchpad to test things Not the case, they don't let you use the markers for testing, you need to buy them immediately, this is because they're not just going to stand there and wait for you to test each marker until you find the one you want to make sure you don't steal. You either know you buy what you want is what you want or you don't. >>4311 See above. >So how did other people do it? They used colored pencils which they don't give a shit about people stealing, they lose maybe a dollar if someone does. Copic markers on the other hand are worth almost 10 per marker because of some dumb reason.
>>4305 >Honestly though thank God I didn't, it would have been embarassing to put up even small art next to other people's on the small 5x5 paper sketch pad they have out for testing with these colors. I mean all the other art on it was tumblr tier shit made by 12 year olds riffing off Jamie Hewlett but shit if I wouldn't look just as bad thanks to this. Nobody cares about this but you, nobody is critiquing the fucking test art here except you narcisstic autistic asshole. >>4310 >But the tools I was using were literally incorrect to begin with, and I wouldn't have this problem if I could have just used them myself before buying them. Did you ask anyone if you could, or just assume you couldn't? >So what in specific is wrong with it? Human skin tone is not one color, despite what all the anime you've watched has told you. Skin is semi-translucent, which is most obviously when looking at the veins on your hand or wrist. This means light passes through it at oblique angles, but gets scattered when hitting it directly. There's also the blood vessels to consider as well. With the three colors you've acquired from the store you can make a good skintone, but it would require layering which you do zero of. >You literally dedicated your post body to mostly insulting me instead of elaborating. That's because I hate you and people like you with every fiber of my being. >>4312 >Not the case, they don't let you use the markers for testing, you need to buy them immediately, this is because they're not just going to stand there and wait for you to test each marker until you find the one you want to make sure you don't steal. Did you ask or did you assume this was the case?
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>>4313 >Human skin tone is not one color, despite what all the anime you've watched has told you. Skin is semi-translucent, which is most obviously when looking at the veins on your hand or wrist. This means light passes through it at oblique angles, but gets scattered when hitting it directly. There's also the blood vessels to consider as well. With the three colors you've acquired from the store you can make a good skintone, but it would require layering which you do zero of. ONE OF THE MARKERS IS BROKEN >Nobody cares about this but you, nobody is critiquing the fucking test art here except you narcisstic autistic asshole. THAT'S CRAZY BUT YES MULTIPLE PEOPLE DO TUMBLR ART IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED BOTTOM BIN AND MY POINT IS I'D BE ON THERE LEVEL AFTER THAT >That's because I hate you and people like you with every fiber of my being. I LOVE YOU TOO ANON >Did you ask or did you assume this was the case? >Did you ask anyone if you could, or just assume you couldn't? THE EMPLOYEE IN SPECIFIC TAKES THE MARKERS YOU TAKE OUT RIGHT OUT OF YOUR HAND THE MOMENT YOU TAKE IT OUT AND GOES DIRECTLY TO THE REGISTER WITH IT I NEED TO CLARIFY THIS IN RED TEXT BECAUSE IT SEEMS NONE OF YOU ARE LISTENING TO ME >>4314 Nigger.
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>>4319 >THAT'S CRAZY BUT YES MULTIPLE PEOPLE DO TUMBLR ART IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED BOTTOM BIN AND MY POINT IS I'D BE ON THERE LEVEL AFTER THAT Yeah tumblr art is garbage, that's not the problem autist. The problem is giving a single fucking shit about it when it's on a 5x5 pad. I don't disagree with you that it's bad, it's the narcissistic "I am above these loser" mindset coming out of someone who has never had a fucking job. The problem is literally feeling embarassment using a testing pad for it's intended purpose because another autistic judgemental asshole like you might come along and think that anything on the 5x5 sketchpad in a fucking shop fucking matters. >THE EMPLOYEE IN SPECIFIC TAKES THE MARKERS YOU TAKE OUT RIGHT OUT OF YOUR HAND THE MOMENT YOU TAKE IT OUT AND GOES DIRECTLY TO THE REGISTER WITH IT DID YOU FUCKING ASK OR DID YOU NOT FUCKING ASK? DID THE WORDS "CAN I TEST THESE MARKERS?" COME OUT OF YOUR CHEETOH DUST COVERED MOUTH OR DID YOU JUST GET MANDHANDLED LIKE A LITTLE BITCH?
>>4320 >DID YOU FUCKING ASK OR DID YOU NOT FUCKING ASK? DID THE WORDS "CAN I TEST THESE MARKERS?" COME OUT OF YOUR CHEETOH DUST COVERED MOUTH OR DID YOU JUST GET MANDHANDLED LIKE A LITTLE BITCH? You know what? Just for you when I go back to return that marker, I'm going to explicitly ask them to let me, just for you. But no, I didn't, because it took 5 seconds for the whole thing to happen, they literally take the markers out of your hand before you can open the cap.
>>4323 >Just for you when I go back to return that marker, I'm going to explicitly ask them to let me, just for you. Good, fucking finally. Maybe this retarded autist might just be teachable after all. >But no, I didn't, because it took 5 seconds for the whole thing to happen, they literally take the markers out of your hand before you can open the cap. Yes, vendors are lazy and want to do their job fast, if you have a need fucking voice it. They can't read your mind and they don't even need to be nice.
>>4327 back to cg
>>4329 hurtcore
from my observation, skin tone is made up mostly og yellows, oranges, violets, pinks, and reds. You might throw in a bit more blue for veins or yellow and white for bony parts or more red for more blood filled parts. In addition to there are all the colors of the light reflected from the surrounding and the light source which leads to a sumphony of colors. P.S. What's up with those trigger posts? Are Feds now focusing our little gay drawing corner?
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>>4350 >What's up with those trigger posts? Are Feds now focusing our little gay drawing corner? This. I have no idea what is going on or who these people are. Would be great if an insider were to clarify things.
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https://copic.jp/en/color/ you can look at all the colors they have and the swatches are layered lightest to heaviest application. Compared to the scanned image I would say it's pretty accurate. I went and took a look at the markers contained in their skintone pack, which seems to be probably what anon was looking for. E00 is the lightest tone in the pack. Compared to YR00 which is the marker anon bought. E30 and E41 don't seem like bad options either.
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How long should it take to receive a reply for a job application? I was told office people don't work weekends but I still feel uneasy. Anyway, I have 4lbs worth of cookie dough I won't be eating. Is there any way I can sell it? I hear people do that through doordash or whatever. It's close to 5 actually upon double checking.
>>4363 the N-word Also you should contact them again, it's kind of stupid but expected that (You) follow up rather than the HR roastie.
>>4363 nigga
>>4363 Who was going to say nigger?
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>>4363 >Anyway, I have 4lbs worth of cookie dough I won't be eating. Is there any way I can sell it? What?
>>4368 Your faith in the son of G-d is strong
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It took almost a month but I finally finished draining all my money out of the bank without getting my account frozen.
>>4369 Hang on let me give you a photo. >>4366 Contact who? I have only two contact links regarding email for the corporation I'm applying to work at through their online portal. A marketing account simply telling me to join their social media, and one specific link sending account for screenings that explicitly says "DO NOT REPLY." >>4371 Where do you put your money instead Mr, Jew Money?
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Well there has certainly been an interesting development in the past two minutes. >Got mail >It's a fucking pair of checks for a total of 3k because of: >"Refund Fed Student Loan" >"Title IV Advance" Can someone tell me what the fuck this shit is for and if I can legally use it to just rent an apartment immediately And open my own bank account. I have no generative income just yet. I might be able to get a debit card and bank account for it first but maybe they would let me get a credit card too. But legally speaking I need to double check if I can use this stuff to just fund my personal lucrative income plan or not. Reportedly >If you withdraw from the university and have received financial aid, any refundable amount of your institutional charges (tuition and fees and/or university housing costs) may be returned to the appropriate financial aid sources. According to a Google Search the most likely explanation is that because I didn't take physical classes or some shit thanks to the vaccine now I have this money? But why on Earth would they give it back to me? Shouldn't it go back to the fund source from who ever gave it to the federal loan program then to me? Or am I just allowed to use this money for whatever housing I pick as of this time even if away from campus? Can someone help me legally figure this shit out? Can I just get an apartment now or should I just wait until I get a job first and discard this money because it might count as misplacement of funds that could be punishable by law? I know I'm essentially asking you to do my homework for me, but please help a nigga out. I'm still going to try getting a job obviously but ideally I'd like to use this to help me out.
And by the way I know this entire chain of posts sounds like a giant clusterfuck of larps that contradicts itself, and deep down I wish it was but I'm not joking about any of this.
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You know we should really have a legal board for shit like this but since we don't >Student loans can be used to pay for room and board, which includes both on- and off-campus housing. So the short answer is yes, students can use money from their loans to pay monthly rent for apartments and other forms of residence away from campus. Answers that question, thank God. However upon just doing some basic research on bank accounts >Some might require a fee to open an account I'm still questioning on whether or not to join a bank or not, a credit union apparently has no monthly fees but I need outside opinions. As desperate as I am I don't want to make crippling financial decisions early on just because I'm in a rush and just got a handout. Well handout in a vague sense, personally in my opinion after all the labor I've put in my art 3k sounds fair as a return from the universe.
>>4378 Credit unions are generally better, but it depends on the specific union. Think the difference between a soulless corporation and a small local business.
>>4379 That' going to be quite hard to figure out because all my local one's have no reviews or mixed reviews except yelp does this shit thing where it lists a credit union near you but the reviews are for the chain nationwide and not near you in specific, how do I evaluate them?
This will probably be stupid question for a lot of you, but is an id required for a bank account registration?
>>4389 Or to be exact I have id but not photo id cards which my mother tells me I should have before moving out but I'd rather not get any and just register and move fast.
>>4389 >>4390 It is 100%, no doubts about it, legally required, that you have a government issued photo-ID for getting a bank account. If you are going to be living on your own, you need a damn photo ID. Get a damn photo ID ASAP. Today might be good.
>>4376 >>4378 Have you considered actually talking to FAFSA? Like pick up a phone and call them nigger? They sound like the absolute authority on the matter, so you should fucking call them, or if you still have issues with that, email them. Hey look what I found for you nigger. https://studentaid.gov/help-center/contact#all-aid-fsaic Go fucking talk to someone whose job it is to answer these questions so you don't get absolutely fucked retard. >Well handout in a vague sense, personally in my opinion after all the labor I've put in my art 3k sounds fair as a return from the universe. That's not how a loan works. At all, if you think this, you will bury yourself in a deep pile of shit very quickly. Those 3k dollars aren't a gift, knowing the fact you're an artist it will probably cost you 6k to borrow that 3k.
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>>4374 >Where do you put your money instead Mr, Jew Money? Somewhere that will not lose value due to money printer go brrr. >>4376 >it might count as misplacement of funds that could be punishable by law? To receive money by mistake is not a criminal offense. If it was a mistake they will simply ask you to give back the money. >Can I just get an apartment now or should I just wait until I get a job first You will have a hard time finding an apartment without a job because rentcucks like you are very high risk. You could use your parents as guarantors though if you think you can make it in time. >4378 >I'm still questioning on whether or not to join a bank or not, a credit union apparently has no monthly fees Are you a full time student under the age of 24? Most banks offer student accounts with no fee at all. They will even give you money for doing certain types of transactions. You will need 2 photo id and proof of school attendance.
>>4396 >You will have a hard time finding an apartment without a job because rentcucks like you are very high risk. You could use your parents as guarantors though if you think you can make it in time. What do you recommend I do then Mr. Jewstein, buy a house? Take out a mortgage? Because at this point I'm considering it. You were totally right all apartments I've checked thus far are 1.5-1.9k at the cheapest in my immediate vicinity, even worse that isn't the problem, the problem is leasing, if they don't offer a month to month lease contract then I'll be fucked by month 3 if I can't reinvest my time to getting higher paying jobs like I plan to, of course we all know plans don't always go how we want. Although the most annoying thing about this whole ordeal is that my mother just immediately told me off regarding the whole thing because she told me I won't find a month to month lease, I had to scream at her that it's at least worth going to see all those vacant apartments then just asking the landlord there and then if I can get a month to month lease. Shout out to the guy in this thread always trying to get me to speak to people. You will get your wish at last. I found a apartment for $900 in >Yonkers Which works well since I can stretch out my cash to 4 months there, and get a better job there. But I still want to see all my options. >Are you a full time student under the age of 24? Most banks offer student accounts with no fee at all. They will even give you money for doing certain types of transactions. You will need 2 photo id and proof of school attendance. This might be a problem, I can only present maybe one photo id, and can only provide online attendance.
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>>4399 >What do you recommend I do then Mr. Jewstein, buy a house? Take out a mortgage? Banks will not give you a mortgage because: <You are a student <You have no job <You have no credit history <You have no bank account >if they don't offer a month to month lease contract then I'll be fucked by month 3 if I can't reinvest my time to getting higher paying jobs like I plan to Month to month is too risky for the landlord so an annual lease is pretty much the standard. You can find another tenant to replace you though if you want to leave early without breaking the lease. >I can only present maybe one photo id, and can only provide online attendance. Online school is fine. Give him a copy of your grade report. You need 2 photo id so you better get 2 photo id goy.
>>4401 >You need 2 photo id so you better get 2 photo id goy. That's a big problem I don't have a driver's license and I likely can't get a passport either. >You can find another tenant to replace you though if you want to leave early without breaking the lease. I guess I can try to include that in the contract or some shit but still you're fucking me up here jewman. >Banks will not give you a mortgage because: Actually they can, they just likely won't. That won't stop me from trying if I need to.
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>>4402 I do not know what to say anymore. I am almost certain you are making a horrible financial decision but you appear to be beyond help.
>>4406 Objectively correct on a level you can't even fathom, and you are doing the right thing. I'm either going to end up living in the hood as one of the 3 white men in a building at any given time while working during hours that increase my chances of getting shot by 500%, or end up making a personal loan with unsavory people because despite what I said no rational bank, credit union, or mortgage broker would ever give me a loan, even if legally speaking, they can. Whatever their loss when they see the mafia getting repayed and they regret not financing my ludicrous and risky business proposition. I need to at this point because I promised myself I'd kill myself before December if I don't get my own place before the year ends.
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>>4421 >I promised myself I'd kill myself before December I see you have already planned it out. I will look forward to that then.
>>4422 Yeah probably.
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Ok I'm desperate and unlikely to find any handouts or even regular wagie jobs at this point. Whatever your loss you dumb fucking money grubbing chimp yuppies, you could have doubled your money just by giving me enough to rent out low income housing for a year or mortgage the cheapest home possible.I promise I will use whatever influence I gain from this day forward to burning down the system that brought you to power in the first place for this. Out of desperation I'm open to just applying for a gallery exhibit, my works if nothing else, are fuck off big, and should nab some money at least. So I'll just ask already can I get some tips on filtering out which galleries to go for. Keep in mind I'm in NYC and don't really want to just apply to the biggest one's immediately and then just get told "Sorry regardless of the quality of your work we don't just let anyone in here." You know before just having to do so myself and sending out 50+ applications then just saying which one's say yes.
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Minute update but I managed to lose all $3k. Not like through gambling or the stock market, or getting scammed. I just straight up checked the last place I put >my money and it was gone. Exactly like that one joke in American Dad where Stan lost $20k on the bus. He just left it there and forgot. I either am misremembering, or someone took it and honestly I don't care. Wouldn't have helped anyway. I need to just dive head first into seeking out a showcase or get a job because as I said before $3k isn't enough to get rent in New York state because the landlord cucks in this state for everyone into a year long lease for retard reasons even with low income housing or whatever, as a matter of fact to even be considered for rent you need to make a specific amount a year, In essence screwing me over far more than before. Whatever, time to just apply already, it's not like I have anything left to lose, worst case scenario I die by taking my own life on November 27th.
>>4424 >>4433 fuck, sorry to hear all that dude. i'm in a similar situation. no income, bleeding what little savings I have dry just to get to the next day. fuck china, fuck biden, and fuck covid.
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>>4434 Thanks man, you too, but for all it's worth, personally I think this would have happened even if covid hadn't. I hope you recover, because it hasn't and likely won't even begin for me.
>>4424 Shotgun application method is the only application method. You'd be able to bypass this if you had friend's but you don't.
>>4436 Nigger where the fuck am I going to buy a shotgun with no money?
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>>4435 you too bro, even though we both suffer, we do not suffer alone. cold comfort I know, but in these dark times we take what little comfort we can get I guess. If the worst comes to the worst i'll see you on the other side brother. but I am preying (to whatever gods might be listening) that we (all) survive this fucked up time in history.
>>4438 Agreed, even if in the end I can't make it, I hope you do.
>>4437 Not suicide you fucking retard. You apply to all galleries everywhere that you can. You don't get to play smart, you only get to grind out rejection after rejection.
>>4438 >this dark age where I thought I could walk out of a house with zero ID, zero income and zero background and people would just give me a job, a bank account and an apartment.
>>4433 Have you unironically considered military service? Even they'll take you unless you're a cripple or retard.
>>4440 Oh. That's what you meant ok, see, I'm going through a very bad time so I hear the word shotgun and I immediately think "I should really fucking shoot myself." Don't worry I will apply to literally all galleries in a 1000 mile radius. >This wouldn't be necessary if you had friends Funny thing, I do, but only juniors at the earliest get gallery opportunities, sophomores like me get fucked. >>4442 Funny thing, I am too stupid to be a military boot, and can't apply for medical reasons so am essentially crippled too. I cannot walk long distances, so they would reject me.
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Good news everyone, I've finally finished making multiple works unconnected to school and can finally send them in for gallery applications assuming they're not posh and queer enough to pre screen based on status and following in an application than view work directly. >Wait all that bitching and you didn't apply yet? Yes, I spent the last two days just improving work. Ironically it's been some of my best thus far. >Why I don't know if school policy won't let me sell works in specific made for school which a lot of mine were, I'll send one or two, maybe 3 in anyway just to test the waters and see if I get a cease and desist or partial claim of revenue on their end regardless. See what that's all about. I haven't even started my history classes homework yet and am also going to have to speed run it. I'll have to shotgun send applications first to galleries once I wake up, but I'll get it done by tomorrow hear me now. I won't even eat until I do. And lord knows I need to, I've been binge eating the past week out of stress ok we all know I didn't need to but I wanted to and no one can stop me. Here goes nothing, by the next time I post I'll have harassed one of the gallery agents by phone if I need to, to apply. They will probably reply faster than the goddamn wagie job I applied for will, still no such response just yet on whether or not I passed the screening for a part time grocery stocking job. HERE GOES EVERYTHING AND NOTHING BOYS IN 8 HOURS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>4458 I've never heard of school having claim to revenue from students work they sell. There could be legal issues for selling copyist recreations of masterworks, but that's more copyright infringement than anything your school has to do with. Reading a little into the matter, galleries may not *be interested* in student work, as, if you have feedback from other students and a professor, they may not feel it is "representative" of your work, but that's not something that says you can't have student work in a gallery, they just might not be interested. tl:dr Your school has zero claim to any work you produce in the process of completing your program of study.
I have developed a huge resistance towards drawing. I subconsciously avoid drawing as much as possible. I find it unusual since I am very successful in my other endeavors. I have tried all kinds of methods to make drawing easier but none of them worked. The simplest explanation I could give is that things are boring at the lowest level of competence but as our ability rises the frustration lowers. Learning to draw without prior experience is just as unpleasant as learning to ride a bike when you cannot even maintain balance. This also explains why I enjoy activities I am proficient at despite things being much harder at a higher level. "Just draw and you will improve bro" is easy in theory but difficult in practice though and I really do not want to spend more time struggling. I started drawing during the covid lockdown but I feel like I am still in the beginner phase. I am not sure I want to put more time into drawing anymore because the realization that I am below-mediocre even after more than a year of practice is disheartening. Meanwhile I do not want to give up because I have already spent a lot of time and money on this hobby. I know that this is a sunken cost fallacy but I cannot help feeling this way. Since this board is full of professional artists I would appreciate if you could share your experience from when you were a beginner to help me make an enlightened decision.
>>4462 Do you draw because you enjoy it or because you feel something meaningful in the experience?
>>4464 >Do you draw because you enjoy it I do not enjoy the process of drawing. I find looking at the finished piece more enjoyable. I like watching live drawing too. >you feel something meaningful in the experience I picked up drawing because I was bored. Life was beginning to feel meaningless and everyday I would wake up with the feeling of emptiness in my heart. I decided that drawing would fill the void and make my life meaningful again. So I suppose drawing is kind of meaningful? It is not really a passion or anything though. Just a hobby to kill time.
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>>4465 >I do not enjoy the process of drawing. Do you find the process physically/emotionally/mentally painful? Just boring? I don't believe you have to enjoy it per se, but is the experience negative? >I find looking at the finished piece more enjoyable. I like watching live drawing too. Have you ever enjoyed looking at your own finished product? Not even in a "it's a good piece of work" fashion, but, just comparing what you made at first to what you are making now? >I picked up drawing because I was bored. As good as anything to pick up I suppose. Recall why exactly? >Life was beginning to feel meaningless and everyday I would wake up with the feeling of emptiness in my heart. I decided that drawing would fill the void and make my life meaningful again. Decent strategy, good to keep doing something instead of nothing, you can try and isolate what you did find meaningful, see if it's really only in drawing or if it might show up in other places. >So I suppose drawing is kind of meaningful? It is not really a passion or anything though. >Just a hobby to kill time. It doesn't need to be a passion to be meaningful, it can just be a good guide to get you closer to something important, and if it's just to kill time anything will do, won't it? Now that I have more context. >>4462 >The simplest explanation I could give is that things are boring at the lowest level of competence but as our ability rises the frustration lowers. >Learning to draw without prior experience is just as unpleasant as learning to ride a bike when you cannot even maintain balance. >This also explains why I enjoy activities I am proficient at despite things being much harder at a higher level. This general rule applies to everything, you tend to be good at things you enjoy, but, you also tend to enjoy what you are good at. This isn't always the case, but in general, this is how it works. However, if you don't enjoy it, and you aren't good at it, then it's going to be tough fight getting to where you are actually good at it. Which is where the meaningful angle comes in. >"Just draw and you will improve bro" is easy in theory but difficult in practice though and I really do not want to spend more time struggling. That is not easy in theory, it is simple. Simple things can be incredibly difficult. No one wants to spend time working on things they assume they will never be good at either, it's an understandable feeling. >I started drawing during the covid lockdown but I feel like I am still in the beginner phase. Have you compared your work at the very start to where you are now, or are you comparing your work to where others are? >I am not sure I want to put more time into drawing anymore because the realization that I am below-mediocre even after more than a year of practice is disheartening. >Meanwhile I do not want to give up because I have already spent a lot of time and money on this hobby. I know that this is a sunken cost fallacy but I cannot help feeling this way. >Since this board is full of professional artists I would appreciate if you could share your experience from when you were a beginner to help me make an enlightened decision. Here are my thoughts on the matter. If you're just doing this to kill time, and you're not enjoying it, fuck off. Pushing yourself to do it will just make you resent the activity. I'm not saying you need "passion" to be good, but rather your frustration and resentment will build up faster than your skill if you force these types of situations, and you will actively sabotage yourself, as you have discovered. There is a very real and visceral possibility you will never be good enough to sell your work comfortable, or bar that, never even produce anything worth looking at. Over the course of thousands of years millions of others have broke themselves on those rocks having never made anything that anybody gives a shit about. I will say that drawing gets easier the better you get at it, that goes back to what I already mentioned. People tend to be good at things they like, but it's also true that people tend to like things they are good it, and the constant erosion of how shit you are can wear you down. The most important thing you need to realize though, at least diagnosing you from a distance, having only read two god damn posts with which to know you, is that you do not enjoy the "play" of making art, but I do not detect a single enjoyment or vision of what you want to do with art. Drawing as a gestalt is an activity designed to bring something into existence, the better you are, the easier it is to bring that something here. You can either enjoy the process, and not give a single shit about what you produce (porn artists who will draw literally anything fall here, the type of people to draw fanart go here), or, you can feel neutral or even hate the process, but feel there is something so vitally important you need to get out that it needs to be done or something awful will fucking happen. I can now only branch into the anecdotal. I hate how much I suck at drawing. Seeing myself physically failing to make something look good tears me into pieces. It grinds me down, and makes me never want to look at a page again. Yet, the crushing overwhelming feeling I have every single fucking day, is that if I do not try to get that much better, if I do not try doing something to improve at my craft, something terrible will fucking happen. I don't know what, I don't know why, I don't fucking know any of that shit. All I know is that if I get into bed, and I didn't do any drawing practice that day, I feel physically ill. Yet deep inside of me, if I git gud at what I am doing, if I get good enough, something wonderful could happen, something important could help, and the world could be that much better. Maybe my rambling hasn't touched you at all, maybe you didn't even read this shit, hell if I know. Thank you for reading if you did. It doesn't need to be black and white either, maybe you just need a short break to prevent burn out, maybe you never try again, there's no shame in leaving what is an incredibly painful thing to get good at. I leave the question up to you, why are you drawing? What are you trying to do? Or what do you actually enjoy?
>>4466 >you can feel neutral or even hate the process, but feel there is something so vitally important you need to get out that it needs to be done or something awful will fucking happen. I'd like to emphasize this point. This is applicable to any form of self expression. It could be a song that you have been writing in your head and must perform with an instrument, it could be a story with characters that you absolutely must write down, it could be an idea that you need to express in clearly written words. Whatever it is, there is a great deal of satisfaction in simply relieving yourself of the pressure that the idea was exerting on you. Now, returning to the original question >>4462 I found that once I began learning to draw, I could explore an entirely new way to express thoughts, ideas, feelings, etc. Mind you, my level of skill was not particularly relevant. It was merely the idea that I could express myself using images of my own creation. This is the core of why I continue to practice drawing: I am developing a tool that will allow me to clearly express myself. In the same way that a writer must have a concrete grasp of language to make themselves understood, I must have a solid foundation of drawing so that I can illustrate the thoughts inside my head. I found that being able to express myself, however crudely, was joyful. A simple gondola drawn in MS Paint was enough to make me feel a little glimmer of satisfaction. I might describe it as a childlike joy (note: childlike, not childish). Drawing didn't suddenly bring a great deal of meaning or give my life some renewed purpose. For a beginner, this struggle to articulate oneself is extremely frustrating. Take the language learning process, for example. I believe many adults (at least, American adults) give up on a second language because they are confounded by a lack of expressive ability. When you are first learning a new language (take French, for example), you will have the same ability to express yourself as a toddler. Because we are so familiar with our native tongue, we are totally unprepared for this reality. All of a sudden, we desperately want to ask a basic question, e.g. "How many kilometers away is the nearest gas station?" but we struggle to find the words. The same applies to drawing, only the question is not expressed in words. The beginner wants to draw a building that they have imagined, but without a proper understanding of perspective, the building is skewed and not realistic. The result is crude, and the beginner is frustrated because it is not at all what they envisioned. This is getting somewhat off-topic, but here is an interesting essay talking about the experience of "relief from an idea" https://eggreport.substack.com/p/wittgenstone-age-mindset
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I have begun, the vague application process, to one one museum gallery. I'll apply to more over night because I need to, the one I applied to is literally among the top 5 in NYC which is weird, because every small, literally named after the owner gallery I checked didn't have an application process, and ironically this fuck off big one did. I have also found two more potential vague application emails. The first one is for a private buyer for this small gallery, I don't know how much I'd get paid if I just cold approached them to buy my work but I'm not even sure I can. It might just be only for agents looking to deal their artists work. I also found a "curator" email for a hispanic gallery, which I am of by the way, so I should be able to apply, but I'm not sure if a curator general email would count as a portal to simply state "Yeah is this where I ask to exhibit my work?" or "Aquí es donde pido exhibir mis obras?" but it can't hurt to ask right? I spent the past three hours looking through 50 galleries in NYC to do this by the way. Support the arts my ass, 99% of them had no direct application openings or even anything beyond very vague contact sections, one even had a "Please don't send unsolicited works for exhibition, we don't need any." Statement. Fuck you too C24. Now I need to look for open calls and shit. >Well why didn't you do that first? Fuck you, I didn't even know the term until minutes ago, and the few open calls I saw were asking for groups not one artist. >>4462 >Since this board is full of professional artists I would appreciate if you could share your experience from when you were a beginner to help me make an enlightened decision. Ha. But no really I don't know what you want me to say here chief, I have always just drawn since I was a child. I have literally 0 other skill sets. I have nothing else to do, I will literally fucking die if I don't get a job as an artist soon, I cannot function doing anything else, I have literally zero other things to do in life please God help me. It's not something I forced myself to do, I was forced into it. My recommendation is that if you don't enjoy the base experience and process of drawing you should reconsider. Looking at most art I've found, is always gayer than making it. >Drawing would fill the void and make my life meaningful again Funny, it did the exact opposite for me and made everything else in life devoid of meaning. >>4459 Never heard of≠Unlikely to happen. Like I said I'll fucking do it anyway, I don't give a fuck if I get a cease and desist, I'm testing it out. You're right though, it's unlikely that's the case, but I suspect some penalty would be in order like the school requiring you to have work made for them on hand even if you were already given passing credit for that class.
>>4468 >Hispanic jew Yorker art student praises Hitler Pottery
>>4468 >Never heard of≠Unlikely to happen. Sure, you know what would be definitive? You reading any legal documents the University made you sign. You did read those right spic? You didn't sign something you didn't understand right?
>>4466 >Do you find the process physically/emotionally/mentally painful? Just boring? I don't believe you have to enjoy it per se, but is the experience negative? It is frustrating because I cannot draw whatever I want due to my lack of skill. In order to get there I need to study the fundamentals but they are boring. Imagine trying to write a story in a foreign language without knowing a single word. Even after learning the meaning of the basic words you still need to learn the grammar and other intricacies which could take years. >Have you ever enjoyed looking at your own finished product? Not even in a "it's a good piece of work" fashion, but, just comparing what you made at first to what you are making now? I did make a few good drawings and I like looking at them. I do notice a considerate improvement from when I first began. I do not believe they are good enough though. >Recall why exactly? To keep it short: <life is too comfortable because I have everything I want <covid lockdown comes around and I get 6 months vacation <somehow instead of feeling happy I feel constant existential dread gnawing away at me <read self help books and get into spirituality <reach the conclusion that the only 2 ways to fill the emptiness in my heart is 1. meditation 2. creative activity <the only creative activity that comes to my mind is drawing because I like to look at beautiful illustrations >if it's just to kill time anything will do, won't it? I cannot think of any other creative activity I would enjoy doing. I probably will not get into music production or story writing. Plus I think in images instead of words or sounds so drawing is the most natural activity for me. >you can try and isolate what you did find meaningful, see if it's really only in drawing Sadly I have not found anything meaningful in drawing yet. It is quite effective at filling the hole in my heart though. >Have you compared your work at the very start to where you are now, or are you comparing your work to where others are? To other people. >you can feel neutral or even hate the process, but feel there is something so vitally important you need to get out that it needs to be done or something awful will fucking happen. I like the idea of expressing myself visually without being limited by my skill level so that puts me in this second category I guess? >Maybe my rambling hasn't touched you at all, maybe you didn't even read this shit, hell if I know. Thank you for reading if you did. Sounds like you have reached the higher levels of your craft. I have no idea how drawing feels like at your level of proficiency but as someone who has almost achieved mastery in another craft I can say that your intuitions are correct. Keep going and you will find new pleasures and insights you never even suspected before. I am not entirely certain about these answers myself: >I leave the question up to you, why are you drawing? To fill the emptiness in my heart and make life more meaningful. >What are you trying to do? To achieve mastery in drawing. >Or what do you actually enjoy? I enjoy being good at something and to have complete control over something i.e., mastery. I enjoy being able to make my computer do exactly what I want it to do. Which is why I think I will enjoy being able to draw exactly what I want to draw. I would like to thank you for your reply. While reading and writing a response I realize that the pleasure I would experience after mastering drawing will far outweigh the effort I am currently putting in. So I should probably stick to it. As you said I should take a break to avoid burning out. >>4467 I think your experience perfectly mirrors my own. Especially this part >The beginner wants to draw a building that they have imagined, but without a proper understanding of perspective, the building is skewed and not realistic. The result is crude, and the beginner is frustrated because it is not at all what they envisioned. Actually you are articulating my current situation better than myself. It must have taken you a lot of work to overcome the initial hurdle and reach your current skill level. I suppose if you managed to master drawing while sharing similar circumstances then I should be able to do it too. Thank you for the hope. >>4468 >I have always just drawn since I was a child. I have literally 0 other skill sets. I have nothing else to do Sadly I was not born with the sole task of becoming a successful artist. Looks like you were gifted with a natural inclination towards drawing so I cannot relate at all. >My recommendation is that if you don't enjoy the base experience and process of drawing you should reconsider. I am trying to avoid drawing as much as possible because the process is too tedious so you are probably right. >Funny, it did the exact opposite for me and made everything else in life devoid of meaning. How? I wish you good luck in your endeavors.
>>4469 Yes? Dude, we Hispanics are like the 2nd biggest group of Nazi's on the planet. They literally escaped to our countries post WW2. You jealous or something? >>4472 >How? I literally did not develop any additional skills unrelated to media. I literally just stated I got rejected for a minimum wagie job at a grocery chain because it's been 10 days and they haven't replied yet. I have literally 0 additional skills. It's over if I can't make it as an artist. That's not an exaggeration in any way. Nothing brings me any joy any longer if it's unrelated to aesthetics and art.
>>4472 >To other people. You sound compare to yourself as you were yesterday, a week ago, a month ago, a year ago. Sure, take a look at a masterpiece sometimes, hell, even try to copy what it does and see what you manage, but the majority of the time, what other people have done does not fucking matter. Keep your head down looking at where you were yesterday, and don't compare yourself to anybody else. >Sounds like you have reached the higher levels of your craft. Not even close kid. I got probably 35 years left to live and I haven't even taken the first step properly yet. >I have no idea how drawing feels like at your level of proficiency but as someone who has almost achieved mastery in another craft I can say that your intuitions are correct. >Keep going and you will find new pleasures and insights you never even suspected before. I'm well aware of what awaits me should I take that step forward, but, thank you for the encouragement. >To fill the emptiness in my heart and make life more meaningful. You might find something similar to drawing as well, leave the door open. I don't know how vague you're using the term, but you might be legitimately disposed to painting instead. It sounds like you need a creative outlet, but drawing isn't the end all be all. >To achieve mastery in drawing. Yeah, but why? Because you want to enjoy drawing process or because there's something you need to make? "I don't know" is an acceptable answer, but start thinking about it, the nuance is important for how you approach things.This response makes it sound like your goal is to "enjoy drawing", which is a bit of a shite goal because every moment you don't enjoy drawing is a failure, as opposed to you having any success states. >I enjoy being good at something and to have complete control over something i.e., mastery. I enjoy being able to make my computer do exactly what I want it to do. Which is why I think I will enjoy being able to draw exactly what I want to draw. Ah see, a programmer, you're one of those intellectual types that can think real clear and articulate well, but now you're faced with a task where your dumb muscles need to keep up with your head. Good luck friend, what you need is practice. It reminds me of one of Salvador Doli's interviews "I am too intelligent to be a good painter." >I would like to thank you for your reply. While reading and writing a response I realize that the pleasure I would experience after mastering drawing will far outweigh the effort I am currently putting in. So I should probably stick to it. As you said I should take a break to avoid burning out. Good idea. I will again state if you articulate to yourself either a clear goal that you attempting to progress towards, or a clear process you are attempting to improve each time you practice, you're going to find the negative walls easier to get over. You want to be honest with yourself, about what you currently are capable of, what you want to be capable of, and how you're going to get from where you are to where you want to be, in the most simplistic, small, practical instructions to yourself possible. The suffering gets a lot easier if you frame it as a means of progressing towards something. and you got to find that sweet spot between "not trying hard enough" and "absolutely breaking yourself against the process". It sounds like you're leaning into the latter a bit too hard.
>>4474 >Keep your head down looking at where you were yesterday, and don't compare yourself to anybody else. It is hard to focus with so many good artists online and on /loomis/ but I will try. >I don't know how vague you're using the term, but you might be legitimately disposed to painting instead. It sounds like you need a creative outlet, but drawing isn't the end all be all. I feel like drawing would allow me to replicate the images I see in my head with the most accuracy but I do plan to dabble painting and other mediums once I get past the beginner hell of drawing. >Yeah, but why? Because you want to enjoy drawing process or because there's something you need to make? I think it is a mixture of both but I lean more towards the final product because that is what I value the most. >Good luck friend, what you need is practice. I have already written a program to optimize my practice. I think I need to do more research on human productivity to further optimize my strategy and hopefully make drawing easier. >if you articulate to yourself either a clear goal that you attempting to progress towards, or a clear process you are attempting to improve each time you practice, you're going to find the negative walls easier to get over. You want to be honest with yourself, about what you currently are capable of, what you want to be capable of, and how you're going to get from where you are to where you want to be, in the most simplistic, small, practical instructions to yourself possible. The suffering gets a lot easier if you frame it as a means of progressing towards something. Ah yes the SMART goals. Somehow I managed to deviate my planning from these criteria. Now I definitely need to rethink my strategy. Thank you for your advice. This exchange has cleared all doubts over my hobby. I shall only concern myself with going forward from now on.
>>4472 >It is hard to focus with so many good artists online and on /loomis/ but I will try. Don't try, decide on how you will respond to future thoughts comparing yourself, and monitor if you are doing so. It's very rarely worthwhile to do so. What are you actually trying to gain when you do it? If you aren't gaining anything, why do it? >I have already written a program to optimize my practice. I think I need to do more research on human productivity to further optimize my strategy and hopefully make drawing easier. Mind sharing the details? I'm mildly curious. >Ah yes the SMART goals. Somehow I managed to deviate my planning from these criteria. Now I definitely need to rethink my strategy. Ehhhh, CGPGrey SMART goals have like, one piece of the puzzle. It's a good piece of the puzzle, but I don't think it's the full story. Better than nothing I suppose.
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>>4476 >Mind sharing the details? I'm mildly curious. Nothing complicated. The program handles the execution and is a pomodoro timer with a checklist of daily tasks. The hard part is knowing what goal to set and how to increment them which is where all the self improvement theories like SMART goals come in. Aside from the task itself you also need to take into account external factors. Basically it is about creating a schedule and a workspace that facilitates the completion of the task while requiring as little willpower as possible. >What are you actually trying to gain when you do it? Looking at the finished product of people who are better than me motivates me to work harder and surpass them. I think they are useful for setting long-term goals but in the short-term they are counterproductive because reaching the artist's level of competency can take years and I would just burn out in the meanwhile.
Interesting textwalls. I read them all (not with complete attention, but I read them all.) While reading this a great poem came to mind. It was written long before our time by an entity called "chaddo of arto". It has the title "Jouney de artisé" and goes as follows: A cruel activity for those with doubt, a wonderful outlet for people without. How can you learn if you focus on others? That's a great question, let's talk with each other. You'll never shalt focus on a different mans work, unless it's to study the brush strokes he made. Only, once every full moon, it is allowed to compare them to you. Art is a struggle that's what people have told. But in truth that's only if it has to be sold. Otherwise, outside the realm of time you can only focus on what's thine. Because that's what it takes to become even better in creating the things that really do matter. Focus on learning and improving your craft, so failure becomes just another step on your path to ever greater heights. And whenever fear strikes, look it straight in the eyes and do the very thing it tried to restrict you from, that night. Let learning be your catalyst, then mastery will almost be missed the ver moment you've reached your goal, only to understand that there will always be more. This very thought for many daunting, is ones of the greatest joys of painting. So wield your brush like a majestic sword, and cut everything down between you and the Lord. Uhm... yeah. No idea where this came from. I just wanted to write a poem. It's a great way to explore a language. So back to the point of dealing with negative emotions in regards to drawing and painting. Understand that it's not always a given to be blessed with the ability to learn, to imagine things, to have arms to hold a pen, pencil or brush with. Just try your very best every time you sit down to study or create a finished piece. If you think it looks like shit, den figure out WHY. Be honest with yourself and you will understand what you need to do to resolve the issue. It might involve a year of work on a certain thing, but eventually you'll solve it. Fun fact, I was close to quitting art a few times. You know what made me different from the rest? I didn't. Even during University when I was too drained to draw for over half a year, I always came back. Do you know why? Because I firmly believed that I will surpass all those people who quit, if I just stick to it. I don't have a dead line, there is no stress. Just the act of learing and enjoying your abilities to create something using your will of creation. You are a God who can make things become reality just by thinking about them. If you really want something, the pieces will start to adjust to your vision. You will start drawing and not quit. My positive mindset is my biggest asset. I just developed it a couple of yeats ago, but my progress skyrocketed because of that. The greatest catalyst is fun and lightheartedness. What else can I say. -t. artchad P.S. Do you know why I chose this name? Because I wanted to be an artchad. I wanted to become one. That's why I started to behave like one. Obviously I needed a certain amount of skill and creativity to be comfortable to dare calling myself that, but in the end I really started to feel like one, because I don't compare myself to others. I can enjoy there work, study their work, but then it goes straight back to developing myself and my unique abilities and visions of the world. P.P.S. I can only recommend people to move out of the city. Many people actually have close or distant relatives with land. It's just a matter of being a nice human to be around. I would even recommend it if youbare a scrawny little bitch boy. Tje physical work greatly increases your quality of life. I'm not really in the woods (although with manybwoods in the area), but compared to the babylonian metropolis I come from, it's basically back to the woods.
>>4479 Within the monochromatic blue tint of my room I behold a post bespoken of by a faggot, and come to a stunning realization: Prose is better than poetry. The focus on detail and ability to paint a picture properly through use of language no different than the layering of fine cremated pigment onto wood like camembert cheese is vastly superior to the final creation of an image within the heads of readers than the focus on word play and pointless attempts to harmonize the soul like a harpsicord ever will. I agree however, evading the smog and plumage of the overgrown sacrificial temple's of steel dedicated to Moloch is the only proper way of doing things but only once you can afford lordship under the system which is based around the extraction of capital in order to own worthy fertile land to live off of.
>>4492 I'm nout quite sure, but I think you've called me a faggot. The post was a nice read, although a comma here and there could help the reader to better grasp the structure of the text.
>>4492 Your purple prose is ass.
>>4492 >Prose is better than poetry. Well-written prose is nigh poetry; it's all in the rhythm. Also, if you are going to make such bold assertions, you would do well to have a strong grasp of punctuation.
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YOU! Quick! Answer, don't ask, Christie's or Sotheby's? Just do it.
>>4519 You're a spic so obviously you belong working to your Scandinavian superiors, Sotheby's.
>>4519 You found a place willing to take your art pieces? Congratulations. You have greatly surpassed my expectations.
>>4520 Congratulations you're the only one who answered, you win, your reward will be knowing that if I fail or win at life it will be all thanks to you, let that bring you amusement.
Couldn't decide between this and the shitposting thread: Why the FRICK do I have to solve two captchas? Who thinks this is a good design? imho a captcha should function more like a "whitelist" and only be needed once until an ip gets banned (i.e. if someone gets a short ban for spamming they should have to solve a captcha again just to prove they're not operating under an automatic process). Unironically 4tranny-chan has a great captcha arrangement now where, while not my personal ideal, at least backs off after a few captchas are solved.
I ended up taking a break from drawing because of reasons. but I am starting again. Need to get in the habit.
I don't have any new art to show since the labor shortage has me working extended hours and has practically messed my drawing rhythm up. But I'd appreciate it if you all come visit my new board >>>/sig/
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>>4583 Drawing is already the best way to improve yourself though. Of course money is everything but if you do not draw life will feel empty and you will have less will to make more money. Also is sig short for shrigma male? >sigma grindset rule #43534563465656434: kill random people
>>4578 join the inktober or weekly threads fren
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I have to make a commitment and start posting on social media, I'm reluctant to do it though, even if I get in my own way. Anyway, is not as troublesome but posting to reassure me to do it. pic, is mainly about the body figure but as things are I did choose to draw a popular gacha
>>4612 CALL DA AMBERLAMPS
Just a single day away from art was enough to completely lose my footing. Looking at the stuff I've been doing recently I wonder if I haven't been regressing hard for the longest time and just didn't notice it because at least I've been very active.
>>4670 usually when I take a break feom art, my visual skillsndrop a lot more than my motor skills, which leads to me thinking things like "Hey, that's actually not that bad." or "Why did I think this was trash? This looks pretty good."
>>4670 >>4675 I think the stress of "drawing every day" gets pushed real hard on beginners and intermediates by a bunch of pros and old guys as a type of motivation without realizing what they're saying. It's a good idea to keep it a daily habit, I believe is what a pro would say - but don't stress out if you miss a day or two of drawing. If you feel like you "can't draw" because you missed a few days, just draw something simple and do some easy exercises like boxes in perspective to get back in shape.
How do you make friend with other artists? I want someone to draw with, but i don't want to sound like a kid asking for free comissions
>>4683 > How do you make friend with other artists? I want someone to draw with, but i don't want to sound like a kid asking for free comissions This site is already a good place to start. Drawpile helps you to get to know the people here. If you want to talk with people via voice chat...well...that's something else. I'm right now getting to work on my website, which I will spam all over the place. Then I'll make a peertube instance. Also I plan on streaming my process via some kind of JavaScript-free software, which I might have to write myself. Just give me a year and we can interact some more. lmao sorry
God I miss when my job was good brehs. Everything was so perfect just a few short years ago. If nothing else I'm certain the Pokemon card retard bullrun is winding down so I won't get a million card lards a day waddling in thinking buying a bunch of Pokemon shit is going to make a millionaire out of them, but I'll still have this ching chong security camera lurking over my shoulder at all hours a day, and a coworker who literally cannot stop talking long enough to get any work done. IT'S OVER
>>4800 While I sympathize, and don't mean to belittle your woes, it could be worse anon. You could be spending your days putting hotdogs in bread. Or cleaning up feces. It could all be so, so much worse. Once you've been at rock bottom for a while you gain a certain appreciation for not having to wear outfits designed to make you look inferior and washing your hands until they bleed, literally.
>>4801 Thanks anon, I know it could be worse, there's a reason I'm still working here after all. I've worked in food service (as a cook and a dish washer, I remember spending many days with red, raw hands) and in warehouses. Honestly I don't mind harder work at all-never felt oppressed by it-I'm just spoiled now and I'm butthurt I'm not even more spoiled. I'm just being a baby boo-boo nigga here because I rightly keep my entitlement to myself in real life. Only other artists would understand how great being able to draw at work would be even if it's a privilege they'd never enjoyed themselves, and subsequently how brutal having that ability taken away can be.
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>>4800 Are you a 35 years old minimum wage worker at a small business? Many such cases
>>4363 NIGGER
>>4806 I'm a 35 year old wagie at a small business yes. I take home about $500 a week working 35 hours, like I said it's not so bad, the whole drawing at work thing has just been a privilege I can't help but lament losing because my circumstances at home are somehow even less ideal.
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>>4808 "Clean it up wagie" tier jobs will always exist because to automate menial jobs is very expensive and only huge corps can afford them. Of course knowing how to program and work with hardwares will make the whole management process much easier but you still need wagies for the physical tasks. Operating a small business is very difficult and since you are in direct contact with your handful of wagies you will obviously try to squeeze out as much labor out of them as possible. All things considered it is actually surprising that your employer has not installed cameras earlier but then again looking through the footage even at 10x speed is exhausting and unsustainable. Personally I would never bother even glancing at the recording unless I suspect theft from one of the wagie because I am too lazy so I doubt your employer is constantly watching you like a hawk. You will probably be fine drawing at work as long as you and your coworker do the work well. Be sneaky obviously because there is nothing a business owner hates more than a wagie slacking off―a waste of money.
Came back from chopping and carrying wood as well as some other work. Currently eating chicken soup. It's incredibly tasty. The kitchen is super warm, because of the oven. I might be close to maxing out comfy levels in this moment. I'll draw the last 18 inktober submissions after I'm done eating. ehehehehe (They will be ultra high effort of course. ;p)
I am so fucking angry holy shit
>>4966 What's wrong my little pogchamp?
>>3408 I've been a complete mess for the last three weeks. I've been drawing everyday, and had a great session during my figure drawing today, but I feel a bit lost on how to practice a problem I have. I seem to have general issues with proportions, not purely in an anatomical sense, but in general. I've been doing live studies and that seems to help, but that doesn't resolve what I feel is a base issue I'm running into repeatedly where I just don't "see" how things relate to each other in space when drawing. I've practiced perspective and while definitely not a master, the problem that practicing perspective "solves" doesn't feel like the one I have. I think it's related to my issues with my handwriting too, where I've had horrible issues with consistent height and width of letters for years. Maybe it just boils down to "keep drawing faggot", but it's really eating away at me I don't quite understand what to practice and how. I don't expect overnight cures, I just "feel" an issue and I can barely articulate the problem let alone how to actually begin to solve it. I also have major issues "rendering"/"polishing" my art into something people want to look at as well, but I have a minor plan for that. I don't feel defeated, but I guess this might be called a "plateau"? I'm feeling that maybe.
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>>4968 I am fine now. It went away after some intense exercise and a lot of sleep
>>4970 I hate that I want to honk that clown and see if her flower squirts.
>>4972 Based
Did someone in here say "loli"?
>>4974 You're hearing things, traveler. Perhaps I can offer you a fine Cheese Wheel in these trying times
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>feel like I am shit at drawing >focus for like two miliseconds >get taken aback at what I am actually capable Remember, once in a while just try hard super fucking hard. You would be impressed at how good you actually are.
>>4976 Yeah, if it looks like shit, I usually just didn't care enough to make it look good. Although that's hampering progres... If one managed to try his very best on every piece, damn that would accelerate things. We have such incredibly high potential if we want. Just like I pumped out eighteen inktober submissions within four hours. Hahahahaha
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>Someone's mistaking me for someone else >Decide to check it out >Guy on /ic/ participates in some big-ass drama >Posts his work >Happens to be a doodle from our drawpile >Part of one of my drawings is visible in a corner >People think I'm him because they don't know the context Fuck me, I can't take this shit. I've half a mind to dump my stuff there and ask for critique just to clarify that I'm not this retard stirring up flame wars so I won't have a legion of other halfwits associating my drawings with some pointless drama in a fucking porn thread. But obviously that'd only make things worse. I suppose basically brought this on myself, so maybe I don't have a right to complain. Hopefully nobody else gets similarly involved in something because of my idiotic decision to associate us more with that place. In that case I can only apologize.
>>4990 /ic/'s porn thread is full of some of the most rabid no-draw coomer arm-chair "art critics" on the entire website, most are probably just filthy immigrants from /co/ or /v/ going straight to the source instead of waiting around for a poor fool to fulfill an unpaid commission "request" elsewhere. These are the same kind of people who report our Drawpile invites on /co/ or /tg/'s drawthreads for "spamming", they are cripplingly mentally ill and not in the least worth engaging with. However, if you do feel the need to defend your honor and out the retard that's not a big problem either if you feel like it, I'm not sure what I'd do in that situation. As annoying as it is it won't likely cause any (real) issues. If you do say something just keep in mind that being too aggressively defensive often invites blowback because these subhumans have nothing but time on their bulbous hands and huge, easily bruised egos. Make no mistake that in either case you've done nothing wrong, you've helped bring new life and activity into the community, that's it. You have zero responsibility for the churlish antics of off-board coomers.
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I have 6 figs in unrealized losses. My degenerately leveraged position is getting rekt. Rate.
I finally fixed that old Sony Vaio I installed Linux on. Harb would have been proud (at least if I'd had done it like 4+ months ago when I first started talking about it). I'll be bringing it to work tomorrow to mess around with in the back room, I already tested an Intuos 3 on it and it seems to work fine as far as I can tell.
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>>5014 Good job
>>4990 >>4995 That's just the reality of things of putting your artwork on the internet. That's why I do not take it too seriously to begin with, and assume that sooner or later something I post will make rounds online without my involvement. Personally, I would not worry, and not bother with internet drama. Unless you are a major name, people in /ic/ will very quickly forget about your doodles, and this will have no lasting effect. From what I have seen, getting involved in internet slapfights only makes things worse, and is never worth it.
>>5015 I spoke too soon, I got it all set up but there's just no time, even a little sneaky drawing is better than none-but it's extremely close to being none even under ideal circumstances-and today it was none for all intents and purposes. It feels pointless really. I just have to hope I get a few days here and there where it's not the case, but today was super demoralizing. It was like my excitement for fixing the computer was thrown right back in my face.
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>>5017 You have been complaining quite a lot about your job lately
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>>5013 It could be worse anon. Money isn't everything.
>>5013 shoulda just bought GME fag
I was on a good art streak for months and even made some stuff I'm happy with but stuff happened that ruined my mood and I stopped for a bit. I'm getting back to drawan but, uh I forgot how to practice consistently....
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>>5050 Holy shit I am laughing so fucking hard at this Thanks anon >>5051 GME chad... I kneel
>just busted out three drawings in three hours Holy fuck what a chore. I better win that damn contest.
I feel like a king right now. I have awesome food, don't need to work a lot and have a ton of spare time to boost the PPH of this board (from 0 to 1 LOL). I don't even feel bad to spend a few hours on the phone. ehehehehehe I started reading the holy bible and it's pretty interesting. I like how the action scenes are discribed in all their gorey details. Although I CAN'T STOP FEELING LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING i'm missing while reading it. Blogposting on image boards is so easy, that I don't even want to host a website for now. Soon I'll post two illustrations I've recently started. They are kind of weird as usual. I should probably start illustrating biblical scenes or my soul will be tormented in hell. I also tortured that mouse the other day by taking her by the tail and spinning her extremely quickly...shit that at least gives -100Karma for sure. Ok, here is a quick time event for the people who bothered to read through this. The first one to reply to this post with a reply containing the phrase "Modern anime is trash." will get some kind of art. You can add an abstract theme if you want. I will draw/paint what I want, so don't bother being too specific. I don't even care too much if anyone likes it. Here is the phrase of wisdom of the day: Speech and text are meant for sharing ideas. They are not meant to shape how you think. Try to think without words and only truth will be able to reply.
>>5056 Based and Chadpilled; lend us virgins your Chadly wisdom
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My position is still safe thanks to my hedge but my unrealized losses is approaching 7 figs. I am only gambling with a percentage of my portfolio so the financial damage is minimal but the thought of losing $9.24 is too psychologically painful. I fell for the TA of some twitter faggot instead of sticking to my own battle-tested strategy and paid the price. I was too full of myself because I thought engineers can never lose at something made of numbers. I have no one to blame but myself and I will never make the same mistake again. >>5056 Modern anime is trash.
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I had to close at 95% loss because of my computer's latest prediction. I was an idiot for trusting other people's analysis
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Haven't posted in what feels like a long while. Not sure if I feel like blog posting too much, but the short of it is that things are good, or at least better than they were. I have more time for drawing, I have more time to spend with my family, I have a job that I actually enjoy for the most part. I thought that was all I really needed to feel good about life again, but I still feel bad most of the time. I seem to go through periods of being perfectly content, even joyful, and periods of being despondent and totally disinterested in things that used to capture my imagination. Is that normal? Is my brain all fucked up? Whenever I write something like this I feel like a whiny high schooler, so I'll move on. I'm starting to feel more confident with my abilities. I know I still have a lot to learn, but I got a pretty big ego boost from looking back at a couple studies I did earlier today. I realized how far I've come from drawing wavy noodle people. I'm sure that when I get around to posting them later, I'll receive some useful but sobering advice. Then I'll get back to the climb. On a related note, is too much experimenting a bad thing? I feel like my interests are all over the place, and I've been (briefly) trying a lot of different types of digital brushes and effects. But I can't help but think that I would be better off just picking a few things and sticking with them. Then later on I can branch out. >>5056 >I also tortured that mouse the other day by taking her by the tail and spinning her extremely quickly. Brutal
>>5069 > Whenever I write something like this I feel like a whiny high schooler, so I'll move on. Don't worry dude. We all have a whiny high schooler side as part of us. That's a fact. I'm wondering how many of the people who will read this statement are spiritually/mentally developed enough to understand that. > [...], but I got a pretty big ego boost from looking Watch out for that Ego part my friend. It's a double edged sword. > I'm sure that when I get around to posting them later, I'll receive some useful but sobering advice. I'm sure I will reply. > is too much experimenting a bad thing? So you're looking for absolutes? I guess you trust people on this board enough to lead you down a specific path with absolutes they'll give you. Alright, let me give you an absolute, within whichs illusion you can to further your artistic progress. Eventually you will have to stick to a worflow that achieves your expected results. Experimenting is invaluable for getting comfortable with a certain tool or new medium. I'd recommend every digital artist to start out using The Basic Round BrushTM. (I hope you know what that means.) You can also include an airbrush if you've seen that you're capable of rendering without. Don't use the air brush too much though.(With time you'll understand what's "too much". Same goes for the smudge tool. Learn to use them wisely.) This is a good base to start from. It's like the unofficial/occult fundamentals of digital painting. Just how you learn normalized human proportions, you'll learn sterile digital painting as a fundament to build your understanding on top of. (Textured brushes come later.) If you want to go a completely different way, that's up to you. I don't want to limit your divine capabilities of creating things not yet classified or publicly known. But I won't be able to aid you there as much. I'm just giving you a road map to my style of painting and a way to connect to your fellow artists on a technical level, because of the shared experience using this "traditional" way of painting digitally. If you feel like it, you can use a textured brush or some other special tool to create an illustration. It's important to be conscious of the tool you use. That means that you want to use a single brush/tool for the whole image and be very aware of cause and effekt. (What kind of movement, technique or whatever leads to which result.) Those images are practice illustrations/pieces. It will teach you the strengths and weaknesses of the tool. Where it's efficient to use and where it's cumbersome. Obviously you don't need to finish the illustration if you "get it" before. If you think you know the tool enough or have gotten the gist of it. But I recommend still finishing the illustration, because you can uncover tricks and techniques at the end. Then you can do an illustration using two or three brushes, using special purpose brushes for certain areas, applying filter, using layermasks or different arrangement of layers with alpha clipping or other modifiers. Add to that the sheer combinatorically vast number of possible brushes you can create with your brush engine, and you can quickly see how many styles of digital art you can produce. There is an innate style you have, which is based on your individual character, experiences, mental concepts, things you've learned and what kind of abstractions you use. It will show through in digital as it does in traditional drawing and painting. You can see what kind of teacher someone had by looking at their art. The teacher helped shape the students mind and style. The second factor that influences an artists style is his tool. But your innate style will show through the tool if your art piece is sufficiently complex. Don't worry or think about the first type of style. That one will naturlly develop as you learn. Trying to change your innate style will only breed sorrow and interfere with God working through you. That's why experienced artists tell their students to not worry about a style. They have one by virtue of being a human shaped by experiences and an individual core. It would be foolish to think ones speech limited mind would be capable of competing with God. You can try and see how it ends up. Spoiler: You will suffer or create something crippled. The point I'm trying to make is: Explore to your hearts content, focus on exploring individual ways of using the tools at your disposal one at a time and focus on the deeper principles of art just using your tools as the means of exploring that. Start at the "fundamentals", which are actually never mastered. What bitter-sweet pill to swallow >>5056 > >I also tortured that mouse the other day by taking her by the tail and spinning her extremely quickly. > Brutal Yeah, I feel bad for it. I don't judge Mao Zedong or Stalin, because I'm capable of the very same thing. If the time and circumstances would've been different, then I could've been one of them. But also a christ. :D It goes both ways.
>>3418 Checking in, still haven't done shit haha.
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>>5060 You didn't give me a theme, so here you go:
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>>5074 Thank you for the cool draw I thought you were going to ask for a theme before drawing lol. I was to ask for something that looks like this
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>The simple act of drawing feels satisfying and not painful the past couple days >Today everything sucks and nothing turns out right Just one of those days, I suppose. There's always tomorrow. >>5071 Come on anon, take up the struggle. I can't promise it will be enjoyable, but if you stick with it, I bet it will be worth every ounce of sweat and tears. >>5074 That's quite pretty, now I kind of want a gondola tapestry hanging around somewhere in my house,
How would you feel about not showing your art to anyone? I'm still a beginner but I think my art will never be good enough to post it on social media lol.
>>5083 > How would you feel about not showing your art to anyone? Depends on why I make art in the first place. I make it to share my thoughts and connect with people. Not showing mu art would defeat the whole point. It doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" my art is, because it can always improve. I'm always thankful for harsh feedback if it comes from a sensible man. How do I feel about an artist, who don't share his work out of fear? I pity him. He will not be able to take advantage of other peoples points of view. Nor will he grow nearly as quickly as someone, who cheerfully shows his latest creations to others in the hopes of learning. You might regret showing certain art to the wrong people though. So be aware to whom you show your art.
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Jehova our lord is watching over you my brethren. Thou shalt be viruous and just. Those that leave the narrow path to God for the indulgence in wordly thing, will suffer. That doesn not mean you can't enjoy things, but that you enjoy every moment to it's fullest and appreciate your life and do not throw it away chasing pleasue, because love and pleqsure are two very different thing. Pleasure comes from love, but please without love will lead to sorrow. Do not lust after your tulpa waifu, for she is not real.
You understood the essence of what you've read, even though I butchered some words on this digital phone keyboard.
I just realized that a lot of my art was satanic by nature. I drew for pleasure. Sometimes it was for a higher purpose, which gave me pleasure. I want to draw and paint with soul and love. Not for pleasure. Drawing for the sake of drawing is disgusting. I knew it back then, but didn't want to confront myself. If you draw for a higher purpose you will never be bored of art, as you won't be bored of speech when talking to another man. You will always have something to draw, because you could never possibly catch up with the vastness of your mind.
I also had the realization, that I'm pretty shit at art. My fundamentals are extremely lackluster. I'm pretty good at shitposting, but drawing beautiful things takes a lot of effort and discipline. I thought I was good at anatomy... now I realize how much more there is to learn. This will probably never end. That's just the nature of the endless struggle. But at least I can enjoy walkin. Enjoying the journey. The path is the goal and I've already reached, although I still keep walking forward. A master is relative to the one observing him. To many, Kim Joung Gi is a master. He himself sees other more skilled painters with the ability to capture more of the divine, and sees himself probably as a glorified stitposter. Just as I see myself now.
>>5089 >Drawing for the sake of drawing is disgusting. I think I understand what you mean, but this sentiment by itself seems wrong. A baby can only learn his mother's tongue by babbling just for the sake of making sounds. He has to train his mouth to form certain syllables, he has to learn and recall vocabulary, he has to be corrected constantly on grammar. If he only spoke up when he thought he had something important to say, then he would be constantly frustrated; he would never be able to find the right words and he would never be able to put them together in just the right way. He would fail to articulate his ideas as beautifully as he envisioned, if he were even understood at all. When we are learning to draw, we have to train our eyes and hands in a similar way. When we practice drawing for its own sake, we are building up our ability to communicate our vision. What's the use of drawing for a higher purpose if our results don't do it justice? That being said, I have met many people with mastery over English, and who, by all standards, should strive to only say things worth saying. However, there are some people who insist on talking so that they may hear the sound of their own voice. I would call them narcissists, and I think that's part of what you meant in your original comment. Perhaps we could amend the statement to: "Drawing for one's own ego is sin."
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>>5086 convert to a .webm with ffmpeg and save bigly on filesize .webm related: [code]ffmpeg -i artchad.mp4 -c:v libvpx-vp9 -c:a libopus -b:v 1024k artchad.webm[\code] If I mess up my code tags again I'll look silly
>>5093 [code] test [/code] They aren't disabled entirely, are they?
>>5093 kek is that a christcuck book?
>>5086 Based and Chadpilled >Do not lust after your tulpa waifu, for she is not real. DAT WAS UNCALLED FO'! DAT WAS UNCALLED FO'!
>>5091 >>5089 That's funny considering most people on this board don't draw very meaningful things
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>>5093 > ffmpeg -i artchad.mp4 -c:v libvpx-vp9 -c:a libopus -b:v 1024k artchad.webm Thanks a lot for saving me time. This little code snippet might be not very special, but it still means a lot to me, because I didn't find a good ffmpeg oneliner yet until now. >>5096 > kek is that a christchad book? Indeed, my friend. >>5097 > DAT WAS UNCALLED FO'! DAT WAS UNCALLED FO'! pic related. >>5099 > That's funny considering most people on this board don't draw very meaningful things Neither did I, but I want to start now. I'll post my two doodle-illustrations (highly rendered illustration baased on top of a doodle) and then I'll start to try my best to create meaningful art. I already thought of a way to circumvent the "no degeneracy clause" to allow me to draw explicit content, containing "immoral" sexual acts. Here is how the story goes: In a city, where a totalitairan Tyranny is reigning, we follow the life of a certain man. This man works as a butler for the Royalty and has the priviledge of being allowed to eat as much as he wants after his service for the day. But the royals don't know that he has a family in the city. It's forbidden to take food out of the palast for any butler. But how is he supposed to keep feeding his starving family? Escape is impossible, because of the incredibly strict control mechanism between sectors. So he saw no other way than to ejaculate in the his wifes and daughter stomaches on a daily basis as the means of nurturing them. But he couldn't do the same with his son, so the father also made sure to keep all furtile females in his family in a constantly impregnated state, so that the males would have sufficient amounts of milk to drink, in order to grow strong and powerful. The story end in the family becoming so big and influential that they manage to take down the ruling class of tyrants. END But then the question comes up. Why do I create art and tell stories through it? Is it just for escapism into another world, or is it to positively affect the real lifes of others. Did my degenerate mind just come up with this story to trick my brain into thinking that that kind of drawing is moral. Satan is after all the most intelligent and cunning of manipulators. The example above would probably only lead to arrousal and the proliferation of degeneracy. I want my art to have a real, positive impact on people. Again, the path of light is narrow. It's very very VERY easy to slip into degeneracy within the blink of an eye.
>>5091 It's as you said. It's hard to articulate your ideas, so that others understand it. Just as it seems that I wasn't careful enough with the words I chose to express my thoughts. > When we practice drawing for its own sake, we are building up our ability to communicate our vision. Do you see what you've just written? You draw for a higher purpose, because you want to learn to communicate better through your art. I'm right now struggling to express the very nuanced idea I wanted to convey. I see a child as a vessel of God - untainted and pure. That's where I want to go back to, with the only difference is that I would be more aware of what I'm doing. At least that's how I invision it. Your misunderstanding of my words was due to the several layers of information loss caused by language, as well as the fact that we don't see and feel each other in front of us. That means a lot emotion and energy behind certain words is lost. Why didn't Ted Caczinsky reach more people. This digital technology has gotten way out of hand. I just to want to live in a little village and have my peace. (I'm working towards that. I need to be patient.) > Perhaps we could amend the statement to: "Drawing for one's own ego is sin." That's a very good way to put it. Thanks for helping me express this more succinctly. Even so, someone who reads sucha statement without context will not understand it.
>>5099 what the damn is 'meaningful art'? more like meaningful FART haha owned
>>5102 DAAAAAAAAMN!
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I'm so demoralized lol
This place needs to be life the rest of the internet and world is dead and most don't know or care about art as a whole they don't even do art. Fuck the comprising on our identities just for the sake of being in an active place they don't even care or want to participate in the conversation or the community.
>>5175 YEAH
>>5175 what?
>>5177 I wasn't sure either I was just trying to be supportive
>>5177 This is the only and last place on earth for the hopes of having an art board most on the internet are shitty this one still has hope
>>5177 This is the only and last place on earth for the hopes of having an art board most on the internet are shitty this one still has hope
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>>5180 there are probably other comfy art sites we are not yet aware of
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Yesterday I got ultra pissed I couldn't manage female bodies without reference so today I bought a 30 sheet sketchbook to fill exclusively with female figures so i can git gud. I'm planning on using furshit art because the bodies for some reason tend to be really expressive as reference. I don't know if I should do one sketch per day or more since I got a job and now Christmas is coming around and my mom fucking asked for me to draw something for her as a present. Literally the same day I started my plan. I have never had to actually draw on a time limit let alone a self imposed one. On top of that I'm deranged and want to make the present with oil paint.
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>tfw you learn that apart from the fact your coworker hardly does anything around the store he's constantly slandering you (at least to a customer that comes in like every day and talks to both of us on a regular basiis) I don't know how this guy can be so delusional; it's pretty aggravating knowing he's not only leaving me with all the manual labor stuff because I'm "better at it" (his words, not mine) but he's going around telling people I leave early (literally never happened, in fact on the one day a week we work together he comes in 20 minutes late minimum with my encouragement, idgaf) and telling people I sometimes don't come in entirely which is a completely outrageous fabrication lmao I'm not sure what his angle is-I actually have a high opinion of his capabilities as a salesman and we're essentially friends, but he not only doesn't do much himself he actually has a second person working with him every day he's scheduled, and there isn't some huge disparity in our sales numbers or payouts to justify these unironically wild allegations he's been making against me. What the FUCK is this guy's problem. huh?
>>5195 Trust me anon there isn't 4chan /ic/ is trash and most other chans on the dark net are very inactive
>>5197 >I'm not sure what his angle is >I actually have a high opinion of his capabilities as a salesman and we're essentially friends My own experience leads me to believe that most people working in sales or who have "sales skills" have sociopathic tendencies. They will try to be be buddies with anyone, but problems starts if they are bored or amoral. Then they will try to see if they can convince others to believe in complete nonsense, or do something worse. They will mess with ones they see as weak, competition, or who slighted them in some way. My go to strategy was always to stay away from these people as much as possible.
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Is it possible to draw for years without improving? I have seen a guy called psychojosh in drawpile a few times. I never paid attention to him because he is just a beginner in terms of skill. Today I found out that his characters are actually from a game he has been working on for 10+ years. He has been drawing for more than a decade without the slightest improvement! Even without studying fundamentals at all you can still improve by just drawing. And it usually takes 10 years of diligent practice to become a master at a certain craft. So how is it possible for him to be an absolute beginner after more than 10 years? >>5196 Good luck. >>5197 Typical passive-aggressive behavior. I deal with this kind of stuff all the time in the office. Stay away from him. Try to get him fired if possible.
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>>5200 >Monero-chan Excellent taste, Monero is the real deal. I watched a video a while ago with a really smart fella explaining the math behind it and I was very impressed with everything about it. Shame most of the videos that come up if you search Monero on youtube now are embarrassing clickbaiters that have absolutely nothing interesting to say. DURR P-...PRICE PREDICKSHUNS!!1? >get him fired Until very recently it's just been us two, I petitioned my boss to give him the job to begin with and I even secured us both a substantial raise earlier this year. It's all very strange. I shouldn't feel hurt by this, but to all of the sudden hear that the only person I've been working with for the past three years and thought of as a friend believes that "if [boss] didn't like [me], he'd (me) have been fired a long time ago" and is making up horseshit about me ditching work or who-knows-what-else is unironically disturbing, especially considering that he passes the buck on a lot of the work that's to be done to me, and has ever since he started with essentially zero formal complaints on my end directed at either him or the boss. I already lost the ability to draw or do much of anything productive at work and now I have to go in knowing that the guy I share a counter with for a few hours on Fridays has been seething about me to anyone in earshot, when between the two of us I'm the only one that has any right to be pissed about anything. This is utter madness
dammit soon they are going to get rid of life drawing classes I don't know what I am going to do I really like drawing from real life and drawing from refs online just ain't the same I hope they don't get rid of it, it is so fun.
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Finally found an Intuos 4 Large for sale.
>>5203 I'd say it's basically like this. You've been kind to this person. This person is a fuckwad. His type perceives kindness as weakness and is now trying to assert dominance over you. For the time being I'd make a point of proving him wrong so whatever lies he spews come off as what they are. I've found that it's generally a bad idea to have anything but as distanced relation as possible to your coworkers precisely because of things like this. You're nice and personable and unfortunately there is a very large percentage of people who will use that against you for no discernable reason. Absolutely never ever do peoples work for them unless it's someone you have worked with for a long time and developed some kind of trust with. You never know if you're doing a favor that might be returned, or if you're giving someone the idea that they can exploit you.
>>5209 maybe tomorrow
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>>5203 Retard. Never demand favor in behalf of someone. Use your seniority to get rid of him before he completely ruins your reputation. XMR is the only cryptocurrency people actually use so the price will stay stable. I swap to XMR when needed and immediately discard afterward. >DURR P-...PRICE PREDICKSHUNS!!1? Fuck them. I lost 20 BTC because of a talking hat with laser eyes. And I am pretty sure they caused many minimum wagies or even third worlders to lose their entire life saving. Predicting a specific price is simply impossible unless it is a psychological level. >>5207 Nice find.
>>5212 >Never demand favor in behalf of someone. I'm not sure what you mean. Nothing I've done for the guy was done under the presumption that they would "pay it back" in some way, nor was it done to curry favor with them or ingratiate myself to them. This isn't some guy we hired off the street, he was a guy that worked at another similar store that'd gone out of business shortly after he moved out of state and who I'd met previously. The point is I genuinely considered this person a friend-not necessarily a "good friend" but a good "work friend" nonetheless. To have any perceived flaws of mine real or imagined blown up in my face like that by this guy is a total stab in the back, especially considering what I'd let slide this whole time. I dunno, I'm just going to brush it off as usual, it's not like I'm going to find another job with all of these science juice mandates I have no intention of participating in anyway.
>>5214 I'm tired. maybe later.
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>>5200 >Is it possible to draw for years without improving? Yes. I am in the same boat. Down to drawing not much better today than I did 10 years ago. Things that help you improve are: >consistent, ideally daily practice >conscious learning without distractions >not avoiding things you are not good at, but proactively addressing them instead >reflecting on your progress >feedback >large volume of material you apply things you are learning to >Not taking shortcuts I stopped drawing consistently when I graduated high school. When I happened to draw once every few weeks to few months, I usually listened to podcasts or did it while watching something. Eventually I started to take the easiest way out and avoided drawing things I am not good at. All of that together accumulated and caused me to stagnate. Naturally, I did not go out of my way to learn new things either. Then one summer I decided to dedicate at least 30 minutes every day to Loomis' book on drawing heads. I moved through it slowly, but over course of three months I improved a bit in that area. It was noticeable when flipping through my sketchbook from that summer. There was also a jump in quality once I stopped listening podcasts and fully focused on practice instead.
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>drawing going great >adding in nice detail >take a step back >notice very subtle proportion issue >die inside
>>5253 u ok autismo?
>>5207 Based and Bearpilled; let us know how you feel about it (after having some practice with it, of course)
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I just had the weirdest moment. I was looking through old drawpile canvases, and came across a drawing. And I thought "Damn, look at that. I wish I could draw like that." Then I realized... That's actually my drawing. But rather than feeling proud of this, it just snapped back to looking like My Art™, no longer impressive, flaws suddenly taking priority over the things that had merit. I could see it morphing in front of my eyes. There's some lesson to be learned here about self perception, probably.
>>5267 That really is an abstract kind of feel
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>reading Loomis for basics on perspective >what the fuck am I reading >need to skim the next 5 pages that are completely incomprehensible and then come back to get the point of the section I'm at That's enough study for the day.
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I finished my 3ish months of live figure drawing. I learned a lot, I drew a lot, and the most blatant problem I became aware of was my lack of ability to render. I am certainly not done with anatomy, but until I understand rendering, my live figure sessions are stunted. Very annoying, but I at least know what skill to grind next.
>>5273 If your school isn't going to do it you should endeavor to find local classes. At the Atelier near me they have $20/day sessions still, I believe. Might not be hard to find something like that.
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I lost all my leverage trading gains in a couple of bad trades. I am still unvaccinated although most of my colleagues are vaxxed. My office provides free face masks and hand sanitizers. I have been taking home boxes upon boxes of them every week. A few other people are doing also doing this. I have accumulated a make it stack of face masks and hand sanitizers so far. I used to take paper from the printer but now they put a lock on it. I worked super hard over the last few weeks to meet a deadline because I have been doing zero work for the last year and a half. I regret not drawing more during the quarantine because I have a lot less free time now. I do not blame myself though because I was still unsure about this hobby back then. My paid vacation starts Monday and I will try to take drawing a bit more seriously this time. My new tablet is a joy to draw on so I believe it will make me more motivated to draw. I do not like to study fundamentals or anatomy. >>5217 Props to you. Getting into the habit of doing something every single day is the hardest.
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I am frustrated with the absolute state of the internet. I want to follow other artists and see what kind of stuff they create, but every social media site where they gather sucks. I deleted my twitter recently because of how awful the entire site is being developed Imageboards still offer the best balance of sharing content and discussion that I've found. I have always found the advice, encouragement, and artwork of anons to be much much more meaningful than from anywhere else on the internet. But I'm also seriously worried about the future of /loomis/ and 8chan. More specifically, when the administration chose to keep the 8chan name for this website, they willingly shouldered the notoriety of the original site, for no real benefit to anyone. The name "8chan" is synonymous with terrorism, thanks to Brenton Tarrant. Furthermore, the administration has decided to allow a pedophile community to fester, a mistake that led to the loss of the 8chan.co domain years ago. It is a matter of when, not if, this site is attacked again. Repeated outages are only likely to bleed more users from already small communities such as /loomis/. I don't think this board can survive here when that happens. On the other hand, migrating to another website like anon.cafe will also bleed users. I think a lot of anons are burnt out on imageboards, and constantly switching websites is a contributor to that burnout. Maybe there's some middle ground where anons can more slowly adopt using a new website. But I'm just not sure. Also the captcha here is just awful, terrible, no-good, very bad and generally miserable to use.
>>5348 I wish there were better networking alternatives instead of twitter, but I think for artists trying to draw attention to a project it's become a bit of a necessary evil as the internet becomes smaller and smaller (But if you want to view profiles without visiting twitter itself, you can use Nitter) Regardless i'll always be lurking and posting here anon. While i'm at it I might as well release my woes. December is probably my least favorite month of the year. With the burden christmas, and the long lists of bills it's nonstop anxiety over wondering if I can still afford groceries. More than that, I'm working really hard to get my barely flowering art career off the ground and trying to do both that and juggle a shitty job has never worked. Being forced to give up again and again is just a knife constantly dangling over my head, and i'm working as hard as I can. I just need the time to make it work.
>>5348 Well the only art that sells these days are coomer art. Social Media I won't trust because of privacy concerns. Image board are just the best. /loomis/ is the best place to be right now in terms of art community. That whole political crap with the brent tarrent has bare any effect on 8chan its on the darkweb it will barely be effected and the whole thing has so blown over. Pedos are just part of the culture they have to be themselves somewhere. No use caring about them. anon cafe loomis board is absolute dead. Most of us just post on here better to be all in one place. >>5350 Selling art is a pain in the ass these days it has to be cater to a certain demographic which makes the work not fun to produce art for such people, well that's just my opinion. Seek help if the anxiety gets worse shit like that never goes away sometimes and can be chronic. December should be a great month for all unless you have to work over hours and during the holidays then that sucks.You should get some free time and enjoy doing art and take it easy art is meant to be fun and u too deserve to have fun.
>>5350 >With the burden christmas Do you have kids? Otherwise I can not comprehend Christmas being burdensome. Just like, downsize man. >and the long lists of bills it's nonstop anxiety over wondering if I can still afford groceries. Aw well that's certainly different, completely understandable bro. I can give advice for how you can stop constantly worrying over whether you can afford groceries or not, but little other than that.
>>5356 No I don't have kids, spending Christmas alone is depressing. Always fun spending it with family or friends. Hope you find a way to resolve your worries sounds awful not being able to afford necessitates such as groceries. Hope things turnaround for you and life starts getting brighter. No one deserves to suffer, hope it all works out for u.
>>5357 >Hope you find a way to resolve your worries sounds awful not being able to afford necessitates such as groceries. Hope things turnaround for you and life starts getting brighter. No one deserves to suffer, hope it all works out for u. I'm the anon you're responding to and I must be retarded because I don't understand what this means. My life is going pretty well, better than in the past 5 years at least. I was offering you help on how to take practical steps towards not worrying about budgetting items. Only the worry component though.
>>5357 why would you respond to a question that was asked of me? It's just kind of strange m8 I've never been able to afford gifts for anyone, as long as i've been an adult most of that time was spent being a broke nigga (or if I wasn't broke, it traded with a broken spirit) I feel bad for it. It's burdened by other anxieties of how i'm percieved by relatives. I'm just something of a worry wart. I know it might pass and all I need to do is pray and be patient but I have felt the pinch of time and will do anything I can to be doing something important or make something others will enjoy as much as myself. >>5354 I'm more than familiar with the market for terrible art from terrible people. But catering to a demographic is not that horribly narrow. Coomer art is the fastest way to your own small filthy fortune, I won't dispute that. But in reality all you need to do is be interesting. My biggest hurdle to any kind of gains so far (even just a general interest) is just general awareness. I had some light fame experience in the past that was spurred just by the fact that I was monopolizing the front page of a place without much traffic. But times change. In reality if I could just work to accomplish my goal in total disregard of whether I'm rewarded in some way, i'd do just that. Drawing has consumed my life in a lot of ways that I live just to feed my pen. Drawing is all I got and I don't really feel like I exist outside of it.
>>5359 >>5361 You sound like the same poster or something. Really don't care too be frank I was just trying to be nice but you just miserable and hopeless. Waste of my time sorry anon I can't help this your own problem, u r on your own.
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>>5365 This is, apparently, an ESL poster >>5354 >>5357 and >>5362 He doesn't comprehend enough English to follow the conversation, and so he replied to a question that was asked of someone else. That unprompted answer didn't make any sense, so the person who originally asked the question was even further confused. >>5361 >Coomer art is the fastest way to your own small filthy fortune, I won't dispute that. I might dispute that a little bit, since you could potentially get a job in the industry which would afford you a lot of benefits that independent work can't match (of course, there are probably plenty of reasons why someone can't or shouldn't want to work in the industry). I think there's the general impression that you can make a lot of bank from patreon, commissions, etc. But people also seem to forget that the income you make from those sources is still taxed and it doesn't cover healthcare, dental, vision, retirement etc. It also doesn't include any PTO or sick days; if you want to take a week off for a trip, you won't be getting work done on commissions or subscriber posts or whatever. I think people will point to a relatively small number of artists who have very large followings from drawing porn, but I've heard a few of them lamenting their financial situation. Slugbox, for example, has said that he won't realistically be able to afford a house. I don't know anons, it's tough out there. I feel fortunate to have found a niche where I can work on something I enjoy and make a living doing it, but even still I wonder if it will last. (deleted this post because I linked to the wrong reply)
Wtf bros, I hate digital art yo. No one to do art with like what the fuck yo. Life drawing classes are closed so I am on my own no one cares why
>>5380 Use google maps and type in "art" or "drawing" and you might find private pay as you go classes /figure drawing sessions nearby. I was pretty surprised to see that were quite a few little drawing studios in my area (though I have little intention of attending them at this point, myself).
>>5381 not till next year and they are so on and off. kill me having to draw off of reference websites so anticlimactic
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>>5382 We warned you about art school bro, we told you dawg. However, hopefully the experience was valuable for the most part regardless.
So the book I was illustrating got published on amazon. They absolutely fucked up the cropping so everything looks -off- and I'm pretty upset about it but I got the money and the client was pleased either way.
>>5400 Congratulations anon, you got some books bought. What's the next step in your master plan?
Oh and another thing: Was it just a .pdf published on Amazon, a paperback or a hard copy? Would be cool if it were the latter but maybe that's a little naive and idealistic for a first big commission project like that
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I just got the notice that I might go back to wfh once my vacation ends due to the omicron variant. My vacation will probably get extended too if that happens. I will be able to spend the next 2 years practicing drawing while doing almost no work. I am so happy about this! I love the new world order and the great reset!
>>5383 Never went to art school. Too much effort that would be ans school always sucked and was boring. They just host it for non profit for life drawing classes. My obsession and fascination with art thickens by the day it's so fun their really ain't much to do in life except draw. The human figure and all its glory is so intriguing so free and unique. I so want to capture my own references of things to draw from my own perspective, getting a camera for doing that but how do I take photos of people without getting caught and second don't think they allow taking photos of the nude models in the life drawing classes which sucks. The references from website like sketchdaily are piss poor and having too much going on for nude modeling and clothes on which is not meant to be there. Don't know if I can be bothered scanning or taking screenshots of model poses from books that would take for ever but seems to be my only option most torrents are trash and lacking nudity.
>sketchdaily are piss poor and having too much going on for nude modeling and clothes on which is not meant to be there I hate that so much, Quickposes I think is similar. Nude should mean "nude", not fully dressed but they're not wearing a hat (I'm only slightly exaggerating too, it's silly).
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>>5404 As of right now I'm back to my job drawing caricatures. Gonna ride that out and practice my figure drawing for a bit since I got a decent amount of extra cash this year and my relationship fell apart so less distractions.
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>>5428 >my relationship fell apart
>>5428 I haven't been in a relationship for over ten years >it fell apart btw
>>5423 >I so want to capture my own references of things to draw from my own perspective, getting a camera for doing that but how do I take photos of people without getting caught and second don't think they allow taking photos of the nude models in the life drawing classes which sucks. You can always ask, but every time I saw people do it in live drawing sessions, the answer was no. You could look into hiring your own model to take photos of, or finding a photographer to do take care of that for you. In case of a photographer, you could even request black and white photos with dramatic lighting. They can be pretty good for shading practice.
>>5425 It's true it should be fully nude the amount of half bodies I end up drawing because it's covered with clothing that you can't even make out the body shape is ridiculous. Wish they looked more like these that I found from a book. >>5431 Well that's a shame that u can't take any photos of them. I think I need to build some kind of trust with conductor and the models so they know my intentions and maybe then they might trust me. Hiring and paying someone else to get take the images for me would probably be expensive and I don't have that kinda money too spare when the internet exists with heaps of free images. Best if it is from my own perspective if anything. Starting to now thinking drawing the body without the face looks better and gives it more focus, same can be said with just capturing the face as a portrait. I might start separating them and start of by going into town and using zoom lenses to get head shots of random people from afar so I don't need to bother with consent and asking them for a photo they will be posing it won't be as natural as getting one without them knowing. Draw the faces I get photos with to start. Could always take pictures of busy places with people they always are very interesting to capture as a photo. The pure energy and state of how people are like in the real world is always so fascinating to see.
>>5435 gross these bitches are naked wtf
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>>5436 clothes are oppressive and demeaning to a persons freedom. You won't see it if you can't go beyond viewing nudity of something of value which it has none. Clothes give people identity a definition of who they are they are predefined by a system of classes based on climbing an endless ladder of reaching a level of power that is nothing but a status of self worth to the single individual which is dictated by paper money that can be printed infinite. Since the dawn of time we've had no freedom and we lose more as time goes on. nudity has symbolism for freedom of the person to show how little they care about what people think and deeming their body as worthless and not anything of subjection mere just apart of ourselves which means little. Making the nude body of something of profit for the pornography industries and sex industries and for horny people is far more gross.
>>5429 Thank you. >>5430 I'm sorry that you haven't found someone, and I hope you do and it makes you happy. I really miss her despite her obnoxious personality and accelerating mental illness. She could be very sweet and cuddly when in the right mood. She also modeled for me and I think some of my best nude drawings are all of her. My better clothed figure drawings are of her as well. Towards the end I did a lot of them because I was trying to keep the spark alive but she appreciated them less and less and she got a lot more crazy. It's a shame because she's also got health problems and I can't leverage my assets to help her.
whatever happened to the art school Hitler simp? any update?
>>5452 Huh. I've been gone for a month and it's weird seeing another Hitler simp who also goes to art school and has constant problems in life. Me doth thinks they admitted us because they realized it was best if potential Hitler's just got accepted into art school this time around instead of sent off to politics.
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I have been drawing low-stakes stuffs for a week and it feels much better than trying draw things that looks good. I was averse to drawing because I was burdened by my own expectation. I no longer have butterflies in my stomach whenever I think about drawing now that I am disencumbered of the need to create a presentable final product; it is liberating. I allow myself to experiment and create a lot of ugly things. I find playing with shapes and volumes very fun; like a god I am able to bend reality to my will. I like that. I might have no work to show for months or even years. And even those that I do show might look unappealing. But what then? I draw for my own satisfaction. I have no interest in showing off. I find no use in feedback and criticisms anyways; I am so self-absorbed that I barely pay attention to others; and my inflexibility prevents me from taking opinion from another.
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>3 month old laptop has a weird charger issue >shit is dead >was a really good laptop otherwise >right after I move to a new apartment and have both my fridge and dishwasher die within two weeks Losing it.
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I have achieved many goals I have set out for myself this year but I only drew for 100 hours. This is my second year of drawing but I have barely improved compared to my first year. It is technically fine since drawing is just a side hobby and I do not take it too seriously. But I am too stubborn about wanting to get good at drawing to become an underachiever. I have always managed to excel at what I do without too much effort but I am having a lot of trouble with drawing and this frustrates me. Also the following might sound vicious and arrogant and narcissistic but it baffles me that there are people who work 8 hours a day for near minimum wage yet improve faster than me. Even my state of the art drawing equipment do not seem to give me an edge over them. Plus the fact that practically everyone on /loomis/ is better than me at drawing annoys me to no end. I am too used to being better than others to tolerate this feeling of inferiority. To top it all off I also feel extremely inadequate as the host because nearly everyone is miles ahead of me. Also I ate so much tonight I can barely walk. Anyways please excuse my selfish rambling. I want to draw for at least 1000 hours in 2022. Happy new year. >>5505 Holy shit. Right before the end of the year?
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>>5506 >Holy shit. Right before the end of the year? Yes, all within two weeks. I'm a rentpig so at least don't have to worry about replacing the kitchen appliance's. However, god damn it annoys the fuck out of me having to replace the laptop I bought to replace the older now less broken laptop I had before.
>>5537 I don't think so
>>5505 >>5511 >took laptop charger and laptop to shop >charger broke but laptop is fine Cool >greatcoat passed down to me from my father's father has it's clasp break Wake me up >previous renters left one part of a window open in winter >ice a quarter inch thick condensed on the inside >started to melt when I moved in >now the paint on the wall has bubbled and wrinkled CAN'T WAKE UP >almost drove over three rounds of live ammunition and a rusty screw on the floor of my new garage SAAAAAAAVE ME
>>5547 a garage? a garage? Well la-di-da Mr. French Man
Overhand grip feels good on a stylus.
>life wants you dead and miserable >never actually kills you >get thrown into situations where there's a conscious choice between simply giving up and dying, and suffering and losing agency just to keeping on living >go with suffering >having doubts about it being the right choice >no art gains Feels end of the rope, man.
>>5565 Life's a bitch. I'm too numb at this point to even see a point in trying to encourage someone, it's all the same in the end. But if someone isn't making art gains I think there are primarily two problems behind that. For one, they might just not be drawing enough. Art takes a lot more dedication than people think. Secondly they're probably either doing the wrong things or doing the right things wrong. People who stagnate do so because they get stuck repeating a behavior that doesn't work. The gains themselves are not some magical intangible improvement but a factual understanding of the underlying principles behind art. And some motorics and intuition but that's honestly secondary shit that just comes with time, art is by far more about knowledge than skill. That means reading a lot of books, doing a lot of exercises, and once you have some know how, doing a lot of analysis. But without making assumptions or knowing specifically what you've been doing the only advice anyone can give is just try something different.
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>go to one dentist >says tooth is cracked >fuck >gonna cost 3k$ to root canal, crown etc. >delay it because I was planning on having insurance later due to life circumstance >six months later >insurance doesn't materialize >can't put it off anymore >book another dentist to get evluated since I moved cities in the mean time >dentist looks at x-rays and doesn't know what the fuck I'm talking about, says my teeth are fine, could use a cleaning though >mfw
>take mom to the chiropractor >almost immediate improvement from several days of terrible back pain after a single 15 minute session, will probably take a handful of more sessions to get back to 100% >realize that if I'd have gone to a doctor it would have cost far more for the diagnosis than the 4-5 sessions I'm planning to bring her to over the next week or two and the treatment would likely involve invasive surgery and/or lifetime prescriptions to painkillers >if I didn't know what chiropractic care was and I relied on conventional medicine my entire family would probably be hopped up on pain medication and pseudo-paralyzed by now >read what conventional medical literature says about chiropractic care and it's often referred to in very unflattering ways, implied to be a voodoo-tier pseudo-science and its founder a whackjob etc. >realize that millions of people may have been dissuaded from even trying this very inexpensive service because of what "the science" has to say about it
>>5569 To be fair when it comes to the chronic pain known "scientific" methods for it generally suck, probably because it's a pure sensory experience and thus, impossible to objectively verify. They throw pain killers at it because it's the only thing guaranteed to work, it just has horrible fucking side effects. I'm not saying that the chiropractor visit is 100% placebo, but any type of pain that doesn't really have a physical problem to associate with is generally going to be more psychological than physical. The pain will be just as real, but I don't know, the game changes in that case.
>My art history class just ends at 1950 like all art history classes, basically will be a repeat of last years class but more in depth over modern art which we already went through but this time >There is no difference, we're just going over it again, nothing new. I love art school so much.
>>5590 Going to art school objectively worsens your chances of becoming a working artist.
>>5591 That may be but it's also the easiest way to get loans that banks and loan sharks wouldn't have given me had I gone to them instead.
>>5590 >art history class That shit makes me laugh in particular because you're forced to pay thousands of dollars for information you could learn by bouncing around wikipedia for a weekend. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>5592 Are you planning on committing suicide after graduating for counter-economics? Because if not, it's those loans that will stop you from being a working artist.
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I like to trace anime. I can do it for hours without getting bored. I will continue to draw with digital crutches. I will never do commissions or requests. I will continue to take credit for other people's works and ideas. My vacation got extended again thanks to the fake variant of the fake virus. Furthermore I am never taking the vaccine. That is all.
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>>5595 Fucking BASED
>>5595 ok can we see it?
>>5594 How so? >>5595 So true. Never taking the vaccine. >>5593 Yeah no fuck art history it barely even fucking delves into things. But they force electives on people because God forbid American education ever has focus.
>>5604 >How so? You think being an artist is easy? Scrapping by a living is hard enough without massive student loan payments expected every month. Which is even worse for artists, because although going into art has some of the worst expected income for any degree, it has some of the highest fucking tuition fees. Surviving as a brokeass nigger gets way fucking harder when you're drowning in debt dumbass.
>>5605 >You think being an artist is easy? I mean... yes? I don't know what you want me to say here, the hardest part of art is probably finding buyers or galleries to take your work, producing it is pretty fucking easy.
>>5612 >the hardest part of art is probably finding buyers or galleries to take your work Correct, now, imagine you need to find even more buyers and galleries because you're sinking in student debt, do you understand why that would be hard?
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>>5590 >1950 like all art history classes Don't worry, you didn't miss much. I don't go to art school, but i took a course of art history for my degree. Professor called a 'local famous artist' who just fucking filled WWII gunshot holes it with lead and we had to attend a mandatory "question and answer" as not to embarass the teacher who had called him. Fucker even mentioned how he faked one with a drill and wondered if the ballistic scientist he called would've been able to figure out what was the impostor amongus. As if a drill and a gun leave the same marks.
>>5614 >Fucker even mentioned how he faked one with a drill and wondered if the ballistic scientist he called would've been able to figure out what was the impostor amongus. As if a drill and a gun leave the same marks. Don't know the guy, but fucking with "experts" is always good.
I dreamed about drawing last night. The dream was just me drawing with a pencil. Must be because I have been drawing at least 6 hours a day for the past few weeks. I am a bit disappointed by my dream performance though. I only enjoyed a marginal boost to my real life drawing skill. Whereas I usually have the power of god in my lucid dreams. Also my neighbor is making NFT. The craze is over. I just sold everything.
>Another year where ever single woman in all my classes are under 7/10 >>5614 Based grifter bro. How the fuck do these people find enough buyers to make a fucking living.
Eloy is gay as fuck. That's why it makes good background noise for drawing. https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=KI8b6GQ5C80
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>The only semi decent looking white women in class are hardcore feminists again AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>5634 I listen to audiobooks when I draw otherwise it gets lonely.
>want to draw animal >do study of 2-inch animal figurine <can't measure for shit <parallax just from the eyes is enough to change the picture completely <figurine has asymmetrical eyes at different depths <face is impossible to get right because I can't get the angles consistent enough >end up with body from one angle and facial outline from another >snout is 15% too wide so the facial features spaced to the nearest outline look like shit What was I thinking? Holding the figure in front of your drawing for an exact comparison afterwards is pretty neat though.
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Apparently this is the six year anniversary of my successful attempt to draw through a Bridgman book in one day as Frazetta had claimed to (or at least the anniversary of my having posted it to Facebook which may have come a few days later). I don't know where this productivity came from or went but drawing for 16 hours straight is an achievement I don't see myself accomplishing any time soon, possibly ever. I don't think it really was particularly valuable anyway but it was an interesting experiment.
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Rate my hatching. >>5642 Good job. Whenever I try to draw for that long I immediately get burned out.
>>5644 Looks pretty good! I feel like there are a few places where perhaps you ran out of patience and it kind of harms the finish slightly when the lines start clumping into blocks of color (in a manner that doesn't look intentional like on the leg) or are uneven from the others around it. Even though it takes quite a bit longer strive for consistency as much as possible. The gradation between the darker hatching underneath the skirt and that just below it could be smoother as well. That all said it's quite well done.
>>5644 That's a good smol dragon pic anon.
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>>5645 Thank you for your feedback. I will keep that in mind. >>5646 Thanks.
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I find trying out new brushes very fun. I updated my drawing software to its newest version. The user interface looks much better and icons are more modern but other than that there are barely any functionality change.
>>5670 What software are you using and why isn't it based Krita, fella?
My first ex gf got married recently, I'd just learned. It's been a very long time since we were together but in all those years I never met a grill I could talk with like that since, just laughing all day together. She's very quick-witted and funny (just like me) and she was out of my league in a lot of ways-very pretty and a career woman. The relationship was doomed to failure from the start because reasons but it was fun while it lasted I guess. Just two more weeks and then maybe I'll get another gf, right fellow patriots? h-heh
>>5672 Can't help you out there friend, I'll never experience the pain you have.
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>>5671 I find Krita very user-unfriendly. Not as bad as GIMP but there are better options out there. >>5672 Hope you find a wife soon anon.
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I feel somewhat frustrated at my lack of friends and art mutuals I originally picked up drawing because of a friend, we enjoyed sketching out cool stuff and showing each other our drawings. I remember just how fun it was trying to 1-up each other and coming up with so many breakthroughs. We eventually drifted apart and all I was left with was with a dexterous right hand I wandered hither and tither from art community to another, sometimes making one friend or two but we'd always end up losing contact because either they didn't have enough interest in drawing, didn't care enough about me or my work or they'd outright vanish without leaving a single trace (that last case always hurts the most) I have tried going through the process again lately but the feelings of sadness are overwhelming I wish I had a friend I could share this hobby with
>>5693 >We eventually drifted apart and all I was left with was with a dexterous right hand I have a rather dexterous right hand but probably for a different reason >I wish I had a friend I could share this hobby with While an irl friend is best obviously, boards like this and the Drawpile are probably the best way to connect with others in this manner outside of that. You could also try going on google maps and typing in "art class" and seeing what pops up. There might be figure drawing sessions near you where you can meet fellow Drawers without having to spend ass loads of money
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>>5693 That's happened to me many times as the guy who vanished without traces
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Studying. Paying money to study. Studying a subject i don't care about. For a degree i don't care about, in an university i don't care about, for a job i don't care about. It's too late too stop now, I've sunken too much time into it at this point i may aswell finish it, but being this miserable for something I don't give a shit about makes me not aprechiate the good things and the stuff I find interesting and enjoyable. Stay out of school kids. At least, university schooling.
>>5716 At my advancing age I have mixed feelings about it, if I had the "right job" I could have retired for a few years and just done art or projects while living in a trailer or something. Try and look at whatever positives there may be
>>5717 > if I had the "right job" I'm not becoming an engineer, a doctor or a programmer, so I don't know if i would even be able to land "the right job" that doesn't slave my bones dry. I suppose I choose this fate myself so i shouldn't complain too much.
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>>5719 What is your major? Most college dropouts are poor and unemployed but getting a meme degree certaintly does not help. Personally studying in university has helped me tremendously.
>>5731 >What is your major? English and Linguistics. The real problem is that 80% of my courses aren't even related to that and are just mandatory fluff to artificially inflate the ammount of time you spend in the institution and the money you pay to keep yourself into the game. I'm not in an anglophone country so it's a little less meme than what you'd think... but It not being STEM means it's still a meme degree by definition.
>>5735 >linguistics You could switch rather naturally towards NLP and rake in the big AI bucks
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Watch out, I'm about to blogpost. I am once again feeling generally disengaged from life. Although I'm not exactly dissatisfied; my situation is pretty good all things considered. But I'm struggling to really fixate on drawing, playing video games, programming, reading books, etc. The best way I can be productive is when I get so wrapped up in a concept or idea that I lose track of time. But I can't force myself to become fixated. I think my skills are steadily improving, and it's more clear than ever what I need for more improvement: consistency. But there's the problem, consistency is draining. Practicing consistently is a battle when I have to force myself to pay attention to what I'm doing. When I get fixated, I don't have to force myself, focus happens in a sort of automatic way. It's not even about enjoyment per se, but a sort of meditative state. When I can tap into that state, I can draw consistently for a week or two, but then I eventually fall off as my fixation starts to wane. I also feel irresponsible to myself when I don't draw for long periods of time. That time is precious, and if I were to actually draw more, I would have more reason to post. I want to help keep this community alive, but I don't want to be making posts without drawings to back them up. Pic related isn't even recent, just a scrap from a .kra file that I was using for warm-ups. On a similar note, I'll probably crosspost on here and anon.cafe, even if I don't trust this site's administration very much.
>>5779 >apologizing for blogposting in the blogposting thread smh tbhfella >I am once again feeling generally disengaged from life. Although I'm not exactly dissatisfied; my situation is pretty good all things considered. But I'm struggling to really fixate on drawing, playing video games, programming, reading books, etc. The best way I can be productive is when I get so wrapped up in a concept or idea that I lose track of time. But I can't force myself to become fixated. Literally me, I'm feeling a bit better since working out harder recently though-however focus and fixation on art itself remain ever-elusive. >I also feel irresponsible to myself when I don't draw for long periods of time. That time is precious, and if I were to actually draw more, I would have more reason to post. Same here, don't worry so much about having something to show-perhaps engaging more regularly with fellow artists will help build you up to that point where you find yourself drawing more regularly. >On a similar note, I'll probably crosspost on here and anon.cafe, even if I don't trust this site's administration very much. While I will be monitoring this site for quite some time to come, we are in the process of creating our own board on our own site, provided by the Drawpile host. There are a lot of features forthcoming and I don't have replacement threads for some of the more important threads ready as of yet so I'm not going to post about it here at the moment, but it is readily accessible even in its absolute state from the Drawpile. If you'd like to join us there are some point, in time it will be our final destination so if you can endure it being a less than perfect reproduction for the time being you (and anyone else reading this) may as well at least check it out.
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>>5780 Late reply on my part, as usual, been very tired lately, also as usual I did find my way to the new board, I think it will be a good option going forward. Our community can have more control over our own affairs, plus we will be insulated from any drama that 8chan is likely to get embroiled in later down the line. I'll start posting there once it stabilizes a bit. I can't seem to access it at the time of writing. I've got some thoughts on how users from the Drawpile filter in and how or if we should be filtering them. I'll save them for now, though, and post them on the other board.
Things are slightly looking up lads. Lost my v card to a hooker last week. Got classes to sign up for this week and with any luck I can go on campus without being vaccinated fall and I can take out more loans. Finally just barely got back to working out today. It's looking bright ahead.
>>5859 >take out more loans Yes...yeeeees!
>>5859 Ever consider trying to sneak into classes without paying? Any reason you might think you could be caught?
>>5876 A. I need a school ID on campus, which I need to be vaccinated for covid to get, or at least they told me so months ago, the covid restrictions have gone slightly more lenient but I dunno, if they tell me that I can't go on campus again, I'll have to take online classes again, which is fine, but the whole thing is slightly annoying as I need to take like 3 major classes to network, and those are physical, hypothetically shit won't blow over unless this keeps up to my senior year too. B. 95% or more of people got the vaxx, the school said so, if I go and get singled out they'll just go "ID? Did you get the vaxx yet? No? Go back, you're breaking school rules, this is a warning." like any given school would for breaking rules. I also don't have any friends there because it's online classes, but I likely wouldn't have any anyways. Now, in highschool there was a similar "No one gets in without ID" policy but back then people knew each other so opening the door for students stuck outside because they left during their free period or who skipped class and came back but ran directly to the building they needed to be on campus instead of going in the only entrance you could to verify ID, etc, they knew each other but a lot of my classes had international students in California or China who also didn't need to go to campus, so there's no way I'm getting in. >>5860 Look Moshe, I know you think you're scamming me, but trust me I'm the one scamming you, you'll see.
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I know you're supposed to compare yourself now to yourself in the past and not other people but god damn it's hard when all you do is look at what other people make. Sometimes I wish I was autistic so I could just sit down and focus on a single goddamn thing for long enough to get some practice in or work done. I beat myself up a ton over my skills and abilities, half the time I sit down and focus on drawing something it comes out better than I thought or I surprise myself with what I manage, but goddamn it I just want to be able to sit down and draw what I'm thinking and get it out of my brain, that was half the reason I wanted to learn how to draw in the first place.
>>5911 I think deleting Twitter and keeping off of Newgrounds has helped me cope with where I'm at artistically. There is a lot of inspirational and aspirational art out there and it's easy to get lost in it and become hopelessly demoralized.
I’m tired of every artist I meet being a raging NPC who is all #translivesmatter and #supportukraine same for the writers is it possible to be someone who is into making shut who isn’t a god damn liberal cuck?
>>5920 It'll take a long time but mark my words I will singlehandedly redpill the next generation of artists heh
>>5920 We're out there if you look. Probably not in artist groups or "communities" so much, so don't look there.
>>5924 >>5920 I see a lot of them on Twitter to be honest family. You just need to know where to look and be racist from time to time
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>Find a good artist >Turns out he has an artstation account >Most of the art is great >Download pieces you like the most >Each image has the same name, making the process more annoying than it should be Why would anyone keep reusing the same name for every piece? I know it's not the artstation doing this, because this happens only with some artists. >>5924 >>5926 I am not >>5920, but thinking of making a twitter account makes me ill. Partly due to sheer amount of cancer there, and partly because I am not going to buy a burner phone just so I am allowed to make an account. It's a shame that out of all places, twitter became the internet's go-to promotion platform. For general interaction it's either twitter or discord, and discord itself is a black hole that sucks in information and communities. Unless you make connections on twitter, chances of stumbling upon the right discord channel are next to nil. Even if you do, they tend to die off due to lack of enough new blood and isolationism. At least they are not as bad as Instagram. Making images impossible to save without jumping through hoops severely limits art's ability to be shared and spread. I have discovered so many good artist based off of random images people shared on imageboards and forums. Newgrounds is probably the best out of currently popular sites for sharing art.
>>5937 yeah sadly for the rest of us who are clawing to get an audience of any kind we don't have a choice but to use twitter. Trust me if I had an option for something better I would have moved to it ages ago because I tend to beat myself up over things not catching on. In reality you have to play fucking bop it with the algorithm and it chooses when to make switches and buttons not work. It's like some horrible creature that's invisible yet floating around in space influencing things. A bogeyman, but a real one. Newgrounds is special, i've connected to a lot of different artists I actually like through there.
>>5953 >>5937 As a boomer myself I would love to see Newgrounds get a resurgence of activity. Unfortunately the format is a bit dated and the messaging is a joke. If Newgrounds kept its front page as-is but had a sub-layout and functionality that imitated more contemporary social media networks I think it would do very well for itself and I'm still hoping Fulp, even if he's far less based than he was when he first made the site, considers updating it to [current year + 7] standards and keeps a somewhat "hands off" approach to moderation despite his personal cali libtard feelings heh
>>5955 >"the messaging" I meant their instant messaging format, for the record. It works like email so a single back-and-forth discussion will clutter your inbox
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>suicidal thoughts are increasing in frequency >disturbed sleep >feel lethargic all the time >can't eat well at all >feel completely turned away from social activities >can't focus on what's important to me >attention span is fried >try to go to therapist >"We keep your mental health records for seven years and they can be obtained by a court of law under civil or criminal cases" >absolutely refuse to go to the therapy after that What do guys?
>>5975 Like many first world people under a false sense of security, you likely have a terminal Wormoid infection (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parasites-causing-infections-in-the-us-cdc-says/). There is a 100,000 year war between good and evil raging in the deepest recesses of your butthole as we speak, and your butthole-and all the forces of good residing therein-are losing ground with each passing day. This sentient, space-faring, interdimensional/interstellar parasitoid race sends out a warhost of reconaissance Wormoids such as Pin Worms, life-force sapping Tape Worms, or the microscopic, mind-bending malignance Toxoplasma Gondii to claw at your sanity. Their forces combined, they function as a widespread neural network for an ancient, dark intelligence, channeling evil, demonic energy from beyond the stars and shoving it straight up your ass and the asses of hundreds of millions if not billions of others. tl;dr: Wormoid Infection = Inflammation = Cancer/Autism/Lethargy/Depression/More Depression/an Itchy Stinky Poopy Butthole To mankind's fortune, the spirit of the Earth in its wisdom created its own weapons to help shrug off the invaders and free your mind, body and spirit from this corrupting influence Vitamin C Supplement to bolster your immune systems' passive defenses Black Walnut/Wormwood Tincture and Pine Gum Turpentine to weaken the Wormoids and cleanse them from your sacred body Probiotics (Abundant in foods such as Greek Yogurt) to improve your gut health and alleviate its potentially negative effect on your mental state Low-to-Moderate Carbohydrate Diet and plenty of exercise to strengthen overall function and form Save yourself lad, and in so doing, play your small part in saving the planet from the encroaching Chaos. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>5975 Hi, Saul Goodman here. Did you know you have rights? Constitution says you do. According to the HIPAA privacy rule allows disclosure to law enforcement in the following circumstances: 1. As required by law (including court orders, court-ordered warrants, subpoenas) and administrative requests. 2. To identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, material witness, or missing person. 3. In response to a law enforcement official’s request for information about a victim or suspected victim of a crime. 4. To alert law enforcement of a person’s death, if the covered entity suspects that criminal activity caused the death. 5. When a covered entity believes that protected health information is evidence of a crime that occurred on its premises 6. By a covered health care provider in a medical emergency not occurring on its premises, when necessary to inform law enforcement about the commission and nature of a crime, the location of the crime or crime victims, and the perpetrator of the crime 7. If there is an imminent threat to safety to yourself or others. Authorities are not allowed to access any records regarding DNA, DNA analysis, dental records, or typing, samples, or analysis of body fluids or tissue. court orders possibly cover if you have been detained or are sentenced for a crime.
>>5978 >1. As required by law (including court orders, court-ordered warrants, subpoenas) and administrative requests. This is the kicker. This means it can be brought up in civil cases. If it was only criminal I can understand, but apparently they can pull these in a divorce court somehow.
>>5979 Then I would have a look at Styers v. Superior Ct., 779 P.2d 352 (Ariz. Ct. App. 1989) If you are truly concerned, I'd talk to a lawyer as they could give you the rundown on when it is expressly waived in the state you live, or if it is. Custody cases are more loose when determining who is fit to care for the child, divorce/property divisions not so. I am not a real lawyer and none of this can be considered real legal advice since I'm just a random internet retard. Call a lawyer.
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>>5955 >As a boomer myself I would love to see Newgrounds get a resurgence of activity. Unfortunately the format is a bit dated and the messaging is a joke. I was under impression that newgrounds was growing again in the past few years. I remember it being a ghost town back in 2013 - 2016, but not it seems to be alive again. >>5975 Ultimately you will have to be one to cause a real change. Good therapists will talk with you about your thoughts, point out self-reinforcing negative thought patterns, catastrophizing, and selective observations. You can learn that on your own - that's what I did. Just look on the internet for tips on how to deal with that. Decent therapist will encourage you to work on your diet, seeing your physician, improving your lifestyle, minimizing stress, and finding a purpose. >get the bloodwork done Many people are deficient in vitamin D and this can mess with your mood, energy, and sleep patterns. There are links between vitamin D deficiencies and depression. Get vitamin D oil capsules with less than 4000iu (that's the max safe daily dosage), and take one per day. If you do not have money or time for a doctor and spend most of the time indoors, you are probably somewhat deficient in vitamin D. >Diet You will want to improve it too. Start small and work your way up. Eat the healthiest meals you can make with the lowest amount of effort. Overnight oatmeal is a solid choice for a breakfast or lunch that takes 5 minutes of prep day in advance. Add whatever fruit you like to it. Fried eggs with a side of microwaved frozen peas or whatever greens are on sales is another option that should not take more than 15 to 30 minutes to make. Stat small and work your way up to more complex dishes with more ingredients. >Lifestyle You probably need to move more. Start with whatever you can manage, if it's only one push-up a day. Make it a habit, and then gradually increase the amount and expand with additional exercises. Taking a walk is another easy thing to do. Go outside for 15 minutes, and work your way up gradually. Recommended minimum most research recommends is 30 minutes of walking per day, so work towards that. Bonus points if if's sunny outside or you can go to a part or another natural setting. That helps combating stress. >Stress Minimize it as much as you can. Sleep at least 7 hours, take walks, baths, meditate, pray, exercise, limit alcohol and other drugs, live by your values, avoid lying, set small goals for yourself and accomplish them, limit your time in front of the screen if needed, limit social media if you use any, etc. Just do whatever you can, no matter how small it is. >Sense of purpose It does not have to be something grand. Just come up with small projects an finish them. It can be something simple like trying out a new cooking recipe, or getting something simple you have been procrastinating on for a long time. Gradually work your way up to bigger, long-term projects. And do not be too hard on yourself is you slip up. Just put in consistent effort the best you can. Try to do better every day, even if it's a fraction of a percentage. I am not a doctor, but was a depressed mess for few years. Doing all of the above made me feel better, eventually leading to becoming a functional human being again. Some people actually need meds, but I personally think that they are prescribed too liberally. Besides, any decent therapist who will put you on meds will still recommend all of the above.
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I'm not a furry.
>>5982 u should be furry are based
>>5982 Based and Fur-pilled
>>5984 But I’m not a furry.
>>5982 You're welcome to repost it on /fur/'s drawthread though >>>/fur/839
>>5981 This feels good to hear someone else say, even if it's something I already knew. Probably been beating myself up too much with how little work I've put into what matters to me, but that's something I can fix slowly. Thanks for the feedback.
>>3408 I love my parents but they fucking ruined me to acceptance. they scarred me emotionally by unintentionally training me to see acceptance (or the spiritual concepts of surrender) as failure, defeat, worthlessness, and something I should never do. And the thing is? None of these emotional scars are even attached to art, but they've not only affected my art process, they've made me anxious about if "I'm being right," or if I'm "doing it wrong,". Why? They're stuck in the bullshit cycle of bitch and moan about shit they're in no position to fix, and then give the fuck up because "NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT,". Here I am, having learned and completed shit they would give up five minutes in. I've beaten fucking SMT nocturne, Dark souls, Bloodborne, and other bullshit-hard games that they would've given up five minutes in and moved on to something else... That fact honestly makes me feel worse because their failures vs my successes makes me feel like "I shouldn't need to do this because they're a bunch of debbie-downer-bitch-about-everything-but-never-do-shit-about-it-kind-of-people. I won where they didn't even want to fucking try in the first place. Why should I 'accept' it and give the fuck up when they would throw their arms away when the battle's barely begun?". I want accept things healthily. I want to be able to give up without feeling like I should be ashamed to give something up. I want to be able to accept that I'm just at my skill level of art without worrying about people comparing me to someone way more skill than I am. I want to be able to accept that people will -not- like the job I do, and just practice and 'just do it,'. How do I learn to surrender in a healthy matter, anon?
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>>6002 There's multiple avenues we could take this, it sounds like you've got some deep-seeded emotional issues there though. I can give some practical advice, but you're probably going to want to deal with those at some point if you want to become a fully integrated person. Not a good person, or even a good artist, but at least an integrated one. Getting back to your question, I see you equating "acceptance" with "surrender". I can understand the comparison you're making here. If your goal is, say, paint the next Mona Lisa, and you don't reach that each time you try, it feels like you failed, right? You "surrendered" as you put it, right? There's a simple (but not easy) way out of this. It is simple because anyone can do it, it is hard because it requires complete and apt attention. Judging by the way you describe the problem, you sound like you have some ability in this area. "Healthy acceptance" is a skill as much as holding a pencil properly or typing a sentence. It can be learned. Learning it does not immediately turn you into a 300 pound slob. Nor a neurotic mess who never goes outside. Because you can "choose" what you accept, and you have the ability to make that choice whenever you want. The current way you are looking at your art and skills, and correct me if I'm wrong, is complete disdain for how completely inept you are. How much it burns and hurts and aches inside you that you're this garbage compared to where you want to be. That fucking hurts, and on one level, it's a good thing. That feeling you have, is why you won't grow up to ever make Thunder Cats Go and have the audacity to think that's a product worth selling. However, like any tool, it has a time and place. At the end of the day however, it's a tool meant to get you from point A to point B. As you've stated, you probably realize you need a new tool, you've labeled this new tool "acceptance". I prefer to look at it as instead, "honesty". You sound like an honest guy who puts in honest effort, so I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from. Tell me, if a two year old was in front of you, barely learning how to stand, would you just start yelling at him for how bad he is at running? How he isn't running at an olympic pass? If you're at all a good guy, you wouldn't. Why? Because that baby is doing everything he can just to take that damn, painful, miserable step that is repeatedly and constantly turning into a tumble that hurts like hell (sound familiar?). He has to start somewhere, and you're accepting that right now, the correct move for him to make right now is how to take one damn step. This is where the honesty comes in. My friend, you, right now, as a person, are that miserable baby learning to take those steps. You are not some god tier artist right now, you may never be that type of artist, right now. Right now, you are you, in your place, with your skills, and your time. You feel shame, because you're measuring yourself against some ideal version of you that doesn't exist. Some ideal version that can paint whatever he wants. You are not him, find out who *you* are, find out where *you* are, and honestly, look at that. Don't compare yourself to some imaginary god artist, compare yourself to the person you were yesterday. Outdraw that fucker. Outpaint that fucker. Because he actually exists, and he was you yesterday. There's one last type, you can look at making great art as a "goal" or as a "process". A goal is somewhere you aren't, until you are. A "process" is a set of measured steps you take towards that goal. You, currently, are looking at your goal, and every time you aren't there, beating yourself up. That can be helpful, but it seems you've realized it isn't. I'm not asking you to suck your own dick everytime you manage to put a stick figure on a piece of paper, keep that fucking goal. What I want you to embrace, is giving yourself damn credit that you even managed to take a step. You said it yourself, your parents wouldn't even fucking try after getting frustrated for 5 minutes, they'd just give up. They'd walk away, but you aren't. Give yourself some damn credit for comitting to the process. I can't guarantee you will make it, no one can, what I can guarantee you, is that every, single, tiny, miniscule step you take to get the miserable piece of garbage you are closer to what is good, and right and beautiful in the world increases the chances immensely. I can not guarantee you can make it, I can guarantee the only way you can make it is if you keep trying. If you learn to honestly hold in your mind you're own ineptitude. Learn to appreciate where you are in the process. Give yourself some damn credit for every step you take. You will approach that beautiful thing in your mind, that wonderful thing, faster and faster. Not perfectly, not always forward, but you will approach it. Everyday, I want you to imagine, the largest step you can take forward, and when you take it, I want you to reward yourself. Porn, food, movies, games, I don't fucking care. You say to yourself "Hey, I took that damn step. I'm not there yet, but I'm that much closer, and that's braver than most anyone else." You be honest with how small a step forward you can take, and when you take that damn step, fucking reward yourself. Give yourself some damn credit for trying.
>>6002 Sounds somewhat like me but I don't even play games anymore let alone "bullshit" super difficult ones, Skyrim was the last time I could really lose myself in a game like that. Now I just deal with a sort of passive guilt for anything I do that isn't drawing, which ironically makes me draw less than I probably would if I had any sense of balance to my life. >>6005 Very nice post anon
Y’all are nicer than the people over at /ic/.
>>6008 >y'all Return to twitter
>>6009 Well! I take back what I said. If I could downvote you I would!
>>6009 >>6010 revoke his reddit karma!
>>6011 >ivan >radio ze bombers
>>6008 God I wish that were me >the gobbo bob gobbler, that is
>>6008 Battery almost dead done for the night.
>>6008 >Y'all >/ic/
>>6032 It's okay. I took it back once I saw you're all just a bunch of dumb fucking niggers.
>non-participatory lurkers gatekeeping an otherwise dead board over superficial nonsense again Sad! Many such cases!
I can't focus for shit. Even though I have plenty of free time to draw I just end up getting distracted by aimless scrolling. Whenever I do draw I find myself getting overwhelmed on what to even start. I think I want to start with some simple goals but I'm not sure what.
>>6044 Do you have any work to post to show your current skill level? If you've never drawn before, I recommend practicing at least the first half of Peter Han's dyanmic sketching course. There was also an infographic for a drawing exercise someone posted the other day, but I can't find the damn thing now. The exercise boils down to having two sheets of paper, randomly putting dots on one, then accurately replicating the dots on the other sheet of paper. When you think you're done, overlap the one you tried to make accurate to see how you did. This is a good first exercise.
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>>6045 This is a thing I made a couple days ago highlighting exercises that emphasize what I feel to be really important foundational skills, good for unlocking someone's ability to have confidence in their manual dexterity as well as their ability to perceive and properly record spatial relationships "mentally"
>>6045 This is some stuff I did while going through one of Loomis' books I think. I've done a lot of the basics and I still do those exercises, but the moment I venture out of drawing boxes or whatever I get pretty lost quick.
>>6048 One thing I'd thought about recently was to get a clear sheet of vinyl or something and one of those spongy erasers, I'm going to start putting that clear sheet over art I like and try to "construct" it, tracing over it in marker and then just erasing. It's my hope that with this I can start to better visualize 3-dimensional forms rather than just copy contours
>>6048 One thing I forgot to mention, it looks like you're using a mechanical pencil. I suggest using a wood pencil for not so you can vary your line width with more finesse. There's nothing wrong with using a mechanical pencil, and in fact I recommend them in lieu of the expensive felt tip pens Peter Han recommends for his Dynamic Sketching series, but for your actual studies some nice wood pencils "wood"n't be a bad idea at all.
I've been trying to write out posts explaining my fears, only to misstep my commands and accidentally close the browser tab, two different instances. It's only after these accidently-dropped tabs that I've come to a realization of just what's holding me back. Fear. Fear of being humiliated. Fear of being shamed. Fear of being judged. I am afraid of being humiliated, shamed and judged... ...for not being as good as the masters. ...for not having 'proper' human anatomy. ...for having something anatomical be out of place. ...for having improper character "mannequin" structure. ...for not doing things "the way" anons expect it to be. ...for leaving out or making mistakes of small or significant details. ...for being 'wrong', or doing something 'wrong'. ...for not being able to do something perfect in my first stroke. ...for putting something out that I personally feel is wonderful, beautiful, fun, or an improvement from my older works. ...for having sketches and lineart that is busy or "messy" looking. ...for not living up to someone's expectations. ...for using digital tools like the line or curves tool to speed up my workflow because "it's cheating". ...for tracing (over) something because "it's cheating/plagiarism,", even if It's something I'd never release or claim it's completely original. ...for admitting I traced something, and having my reputation be forever-ruined because of it. ...for being the target of some overzealous bully-critic who wants nothing more than a power high. ...for admitting my faults. ...for doing nothing. I want these fears to be healed. I can't fucking stand it when someone says that "you have to live with this,". It fucking feels like they still have the problem and have no fucking clue what to actually do and just may a stupid excuse to justify their lack of progress. I'm not asking for 'a cure,' I just want to be able to be happy, functional, and practice and do all this shit that artists do without being burdened or being emotionally-paralyzed because of fear and shame.
>>6064 Oh look, I must have posted this in my sleep
>>5981 >Newgrounds Never mind about that. Looks like a lot of new people going there were of tumblrite-like mentality. I am afraid that given enough time newgrounds will become tumblr's successor. >all those typos and missing words That's what I get for typing up long posts right before going to sleep. >>6001 You're welcome and good luck
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>Forced to get social media at last >Will begin uploading artwork tomorrow >0 guarantee that it will be worth it because it's just for a resume I hate modern society so much it's not even funny lads.
>>6070 >my gf who told me I should just looked at my art and was against me posting JUST
>>6073 >this nigga has a gf and I don't be havin' one of dat JUST
>>6075 Don't worry. As artists, we are.
>>6080 If I had kids I would set you on fire. But I don't have kids and I don't have any fire. nevermind I don't have anything.
>>6063 Yeah I use mechanical pencils for the convenience, but shading and line weight with a regular is definitely easier. The only thing I don't like is the strange way I have been told to sharpen pencils.... but I'm not sure if that really matters all that much.
>>6110 The sharpening method actually does have legitimate purpse, people can get really fancy with it, sharpening it on one side to make a flat plane for shading or making a super sharp point an inch or more long and stuff like that and are able to achieve a lot of versatility with that, kind interesting the different ways people figure that kind of stuff out.
I think I've begun the realize what my main problem is. If you're going to teach yourself then you have to be your own teacher. And I am a very bad teacher.
>>6124 Having an actual teacher engaging with you on the fly can really enhance things, certainly. I remember at my brief stint at the Atelier the teacher pushed me much further than I'd have gotten on my own, it's a psychological thing as much as anything else.
>>6125 This was not an endorsement for art school either lol, rather taking pay-as-you-go classes from a local studio or Atelier, or perhaps better yet from a tutor would be best. Self teaching is adequate for many people but if you find yourself totally lost and struggling even with all of the resources online and consulting others it is certainly an avenue worth exploring.
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>>5400 >>5428 >>5449 This is me posting again, some things have changed and things have stayed the same. >The book Still a mess, but my folks are proud of me, and show it off constantly, which is nice. Sent copies to a bunch of my teachers who were supportive of me doodling in school which hit me right in the feels big time. Hasn't taken off but I never expected it to, just a small thing I'm moderately proud of myself for making and can show off if I look for new work. >At the caricature job Hoo boy. The boss hired a bunch of girls right out of art school and the gig now has about 8-9 gossiping dorkbitches none of which are above a 7. They're trying to rat out one coworker who doesn't like drawing black people and takes a lot of breaks when black families approach. I wish the guy was subtle about it but they also usually don't tip and can be extremely rude to the artists at times. Couple of new guys too who are all decent, as to be expected, but it doesn't exactly balance out the problem if one of these girls starts actively snitching. It only takes one snitch to completely ruin a workplace and these are also girls in their early/mid 20's who haven't experienced consequences for their own retarded behavior yet so I'm mulling over my options. My best friend at the job, the guy I illustrated the book with, also left cuz he got a better deal at another place and that hits me seriously hard and I miss him. That's the least fair, really. I just miss my best friend who made my work much more fun. Work itself has been crazy, covid fucked up all the spring break schedules so the park is super busy all the time and though I've made a ton of money it's extremely stressful to work 10 hour days in a hot ass theme park drawing theme park people. I just took my vacation because I turn 30 in a few days and refuse to do so while working those shit shifts. As soon as my vacation began I got an email for a fantasy character art commission, so at least I have no dearth of things to focus on.
>>6149 Good to hear back from you, man. That's one thing I'll always like about this place is that even as many months may pass people who you thought may have left forever show up again unexpectedly. Also, you're telling me you have over 10 caricature artists? You must work at a big-ass theme part for that to be feasible, though I guess you probably aren't all working at the same time.
>>6150 We have just under 30, it's one of the giants in central florida. On rotation there's 8-14 working between several stands.
>>6151 *8-14 per day
Loomis you have been very busy and forgetful recently, and especially with your new job I thought it would be in your best interest to relieve you of your duties, so you do not have to waste your precious time here anymore. If you want to talk about it you know where to find me.
>>6157 >If you want to talk about it you know where to find me. Sure do, take care for now; I'll see you on the board in either case, probably
Hello Loomis. Hopefully you are doing well. No need to feel obliged about your moderator duties at artga.in; I already have people to manage the /ic/ drawpile thread, the drawpile and the imageboard. We are doing just fine so please take all the time you need to adjust to your new job. Please let me know when you are ready to participate in the community again so I can unlock your moderator account. I always lock inactive accounts to prevent potential unauthorized logins. You are welcome to join us anytime you want. We are not going anywhere. btw feel free to delete this post once you have read it if you no longer wish to see me. No hard feelings.
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>Just blew it with the only woman I have ever loved But hang on, there's more. >But now that we no longer date she acts the exact same way she always did >this plus her ending the relationship and refusing to give me another chance over a simple verbal argument that I apologized for opened my eyes >realize that essentially she never loved me
Do I want to want things? Does wanting to want to do something mean I want to do something? And if I wanted to do something wouldn't I just do it? Or is desire all an illusion and I'm just supposed to train myself to want the correct things based on some arbitrary standards? If that's the case would wanting to do nothing but the most brain dead consumerist tasks not be the most efficient way to live? Or are the arbitrary standards that make people want to do specific things truly worth the years of work for fulfillment. It feels impossible to want fulfillment. I don't think I can comprehend that experience enough to desire it let alone want to put myself through self-discipline to achieve it. It's very difficult for me to want to do things. Not really in a nihilistic way even though it sounds like it. It's more like a deep autism. I know the steps towards being productive. And I want to do certain things. I work out 3 days a week because I don't want to die. Working out is awful and I loath every minute of it, but I do it because I'm terrified of dying. So I can do difficult things to benefit myself, but the motivation behind those things is anxiety rather than a desire to be appealing or interesting. And it feels like things like art or any productive extrinsic activities fall under a fundamentally different category.
I feel like I'm getting worse at art and more retarded as the days pass.


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