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Tor Discussion Anonymous 06/15/2020 (Mon) 04:52:53 No. 449
So, what's so bad about Tor? >it's a honeypot Not really, I have done extensive research into this and the only people caught on it were dumb fucks who made OpSec mistakes. Plus, the only people championing this point are schizos who use VPN services or set up their own VPN, or even just use their plain ISP-given IP address, all of which are way riskier than using Tor. If you're concerned about onion links being honeypots, then set up your own. It's one of the easiest things in the world to do. >it's slow Fair enough. >a lot of sites block it Yeah, and a lot of sites are fags anyways, a lot of sites are also using ReCatapha and require phone verification and use Cloudflare or AWS. Sites have been against privacy for a long time and are banning VPNs too. >it's operated by sjws&trannies Literally everything is now, including VPN services and ISPs, there is no escape unless you want to fully disconnect from the internet and live in a cabin in the woods, which considering people are still using this site, I don't see happening. Also, the directors are known privacy-advocates. >firefox Firefox is rapidly becoming a shit browser for privacy, yes, Chromium is worse, "Ungoogled" Chromium is still Chrome garbage, same with Brave, alternative Firefox builds are usually outdated, and Opera is blatantly spyware. Meanwhile, Tor usually strips out all the tracking that Firefox tries to push in new releases. >relays and nodes operated by governments Which is more of a reason to get more people using Tor so more people can set up nodes and relays aside from government interference. Not opening this to start an argument or a bash on how bad Tor is or just to simply praise Tor, I want a discussion, because most points about Tor being bad for privacy are easily debunked and usually only used by schizos and I want to ensure my personal privacy.
>>1733 >bwrap --dev-bind / / --unshare-user --uid 256 --gid 512 bash >dev-bind / / the fuck is the point of sandboxing if you're just giving full access anyway, your not even mounting it read only.... You might awell skip sandboxing alltogether cause every application launched with this will be able to finger print you easily just by reading/writing a file.
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>>1715 >some literally who faggot who unironically uses T*legram and has no PGP key on his page Here is even better security researcher: https://darthsecuria.neocities.org/
>>1820 >t. glowing shill
>>449 Tor
>>1570 nigga you blind i've been hosting my onion shit on a rpi for years now
Would the kikes forcing any/all dissidents into using Tor essentially lead to an easier time datamining/tracking them versus VPN on the clearnet?
>>1883 Depends on where you live at. If you live in the US or Western Europe you'll stand out like a sore thumb to your ISP as Tor is not considered a necessity in the West. Your ISP could have your account noted for future investigation were you to ever drop your guard or be flagged for whatever reason. NSA and FBI also have access to your browsing history. While your ISP cannot identify the Tor traffic they do know you are using Tor. Your ISP can also identify VPNs except VPNS are not known for being used for criminal activity like Tor is and they perform the same function of gaining privacy from your Internet Service Provider. There's also a chance an Exit Node can be government/police owned or have prying hackers. Using a VPN would shield your Tor traffic from your ISP and your IP address from Exit Nodes. Though VPNs are usually fine on their own. Tor is slower and has a lot less compatibility with most sites on the web especially those backed by Cloudflare. With VPNs you usually don't have a problem going to whatever site you want and security compromises/arrests with VPNs are usually unheard of.
>>1884 Thanks for the detailed response. So essentially, besides the exit node scenario, using a VPN combined with Tor would mitigate my ISP from knowing I use Tor? I do notice it's slow as balls and barely loads some sites, but I can put up with that if the security is guaranteed. Is it also true you should never use Tor to brows clear-net URLs?
>>517 you click the picture to make it go
>>1884 > Your ISP can also identify VPNs except VPNS are not known for being used for criminal activity like Tor is and they perform the same function of gaining privacy from your Internet Service Provider. Fucking what? The whole purpose of a VPN is for piracy, for criminal activity. It's been pushed into the mainstream recently by concerns of privacy and region-locked content but literally anyone who looks into them the slightest bit knows they are for piracy and not privacy. Hell, a lot of VPNs aren't even private, as noted by the recent case of NordVPN moving their servers to America, in which America forces VPNs, among others, to log data and give it to the government. Meanwhile, at least in the privacy scene, a lot of people have been pushing for people to use Tor. Sure, maybe the average citizen is more likely to use a VPN than Tor, but a solid 26% of Tor's traffic comes from the US, or 500k users, at least if their metrics are anything to go by. Tor is known to governments as being used for privacy. To a regular person, maybe they know it as being used for criminal activity, because it's built up that reputation, but to government agencies, they know a metric fuckton of people connecting to Tor are using it for privacy reasons and not criminal activity.
>>1885 >using a VPN combined with Tor would mitigate my ISP from knowing I use Tor? Yeah as long as you're using a VPN outside the 14 eyes(Express, Nord, Surfshark, Cyberghost), and enable the Kill Switch in your VPN to protect your internet traffic incase of a cutoff. Free VPNs and USA/Chinese based ones would compromise you. You need to be sure your VPN is registered in a country outside surveillance nations. >I do notice it's slow as balls and barely loads some sites, but I can put up with that if the security is guaranteed. Yeah its guranteed as long as you disable javascript either through security settings set to "safest", configuring noscript or about;config. >Is it also true you should never use Tor to brows clear-net URLs? That's what they say and its true that with hidden services(aka onion url sites)you have more privacy but personally haven't seen any data leaks with Tor. Your Tor traffic is likely going to be bouncing back and forth from one node to another so you're likely safe as long as you don't enter personal information or sensitive credentials.The said URLs are unlikely to leak outside of Tor. >>1890 >VPNs used for Piracy True true, however they have a myriad of uses outside of that including protecting your data against hackers in wifi spots, circumventing Geo-blocked sites, etc. Corporations also typically use VPNs to protect their trademarks. >Hell, a lot of VPNs aren't even private as noted by the recent case of NordVPN moving their servers to America, in which America forces VPNs, among others, to log data and give it to the government. Yes but the way it goes in the VPN biz goes is that the FEDs only have jurisdiction over the VPN data if the said VPN company is registered within said country. Even if Nords servers are in United States, in Europe, their business is registered in Panama and therefore aren't required to legally maintain logs in the United States or Europe. If the US wants to get logs from perse from Express VPN or Nord customers, they had to go through the British Virgin Islands or Panama courts to gain access to said information on American subscribers. It also helps that VPN news on logs being turned over to authorities or those being subpoenaed/searched are incredibly rare. PureVPN was one of the recent ones and that happened a few years ago so I think you'll get some millage out of VPNs or at least I'd rather trust my VPN than my ISP with my data. >a solid 26% of Tor's traffic comes from the US, or 500k users That's pretty impressive tbh considering there isn't much to do in the onion network but perhaps its just being used as a browser vpn at this rate for some people. >Tor is known to governments as being used for privacy And that's why they are desperate to crack down on it and stigmatize the tool. Its legal to use Tor but as it stands its rep isn't so great. Maybe if it gets more adopters down the road that might change.
>>1890 >"VPNs are for piracy, not privacy" >doesn't realize how fucking stupid that is to say (how the fuck is a service good for illegal activity if it's supposedly non-private)
>>1890 >The whole purpose of a VPN is for piracy, for criminal activity. VPNs are for connecting to your company's internal network from remote, you fucking nigger. That is and always was the prime use case of VPNs. And yes, they have been memed into a "privacy" device later by braindead consumers (the whole business use case was braindead security theatre in the first place).
>>449 >>it's operated by sjws&trannies Literally everything is now Thread should end before it began considering that that would negate the point of Tor in the first place as law=ethics for many. Drugs and privacy are illegal so Tor can't last if it's sjw and law abiding and ethical and shit. Fuck it.
>>449 >not really whew i feel relieved now...
>>1979 everybody fucking knows that vpns are so they can make money from piracy and everyone knows that isps stopped hosting newsgroups so that they could force y8ou to buy newsgroups from somie people to .. again make some money off piracy
>>1891 it's a lot better to run a VPN on the router itself, such as PFSense, rather than relying on kill switches
why the fuck is 'ExcludeNodes {us}' not in torrc by default
>>3299 also why does sending SIGNAL NEWNYM to the controller do nothing half the time, everytime I want to force new circuits I have to kill tor and fucking restart
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The Tor browser is for normal fags looking to jack off to lolis at work, so they can make noise on the network to hide the rest of us. If you can't tell apart the Tor network from that shit browser they shill, stay off of both.
>>2385 this
>>995 sites like browserleaks.com alert if an IP is a Tor node. Admins use the same tools to block connections.
>>3301 looks like a jawa
>>3308 lol
>>456 Neronormals are too busy murdering anyone that likes little girls.
>>3306 >sites like browserleaks.com alert if an IP is a Tor node. Admins use the same tools to block connections. If white men weren't FAGGOTS, like they are now, they would run unlisted exit nodes (ie: has an input-ip different than the output ip it uses). Also they would fork Tor and actually make this a feature. But white men are FAGGOTS now and let "duh gubbament programmes" do all the work. We used to have hackers in opensource. Now we have NOTHING.
Freenet still doesn't run over Tor. Shows you how much "uncompromised" these projects are.
>>561 > I think Tails does too, even if it's liveUSB Tails uses systemd
>>449 If you're not using a Tor gateway, you're part of the cannon fodder protecting the rest of us. Thank you for your services.
>>3435 Why? That's fucking retarded.
>>3612 superior process management also that killswitch to corrupt ram when pulling the usb out works with a daemon init cucks will swerve to the d
>>1500 Tor didn't used to be run by sjws and trannies. They took over after the software was done. >Because the FOSS paradigm is inherently left of center. >Historically ""leftists"" have been the main group Wrong. From 2000-2009 "foss" (that term didn't exist then) was men-only, pro-loli, anti-feminist. Women kicked us out of all of our projects by taking over the web hosts. Every single one. Any project that didn't bow down was deleted from the webhosts or censored from the announcement websites. That's once we completed the software.
>>3617 No: it is because systemd can be remotely exploited. The Tor people hate pedos, hate anti-feminists, and hate men. They are pro-women's rights, pro-tranny, pro-USA
Now it has script enabled, and it auto enables script on restart but shows no script icon, so this is surely honeypot.


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