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Tokusatsu General Thread Anonymous 09/14/2022 (Wed) 23:48:01 No. 1015
Since we have no /m/, this is the next best thing. Discuss all things tokusatsu past & present. The latest Kamen Rider entry, Kamen Rider Geats, has just started. Feel free to as how to get into the franchise as well as the best sub options available.
>>1034 >>1033 That seizure inducing flash form the henshin is one of my favorite ones haha. But what you said is spot on. Black is overrated due to it's status at the time it was made. It was a higher-than-normal budget show for it's time, and the highest budget Kamen Rider show when it debuted. That, and the whole horror aesthetic sold it well to fans. Add to that the end drama about a "evil" Kamen Rider taking over the central plot, and you can see how it caused a impact. But none of that change it's flaws, which are many. I would add that Shadow Moon was a turn off point for me due to how much he was hyped the whole time in the show, only to lose both battles and managing to "win" only when helped multiple times by the Creation King. There were also behind the scenes problems, such as Nobuhiko's actor (the human form of Shadow Moon) complaining about having almost no screen time, culminating in him quitting the show by the end, which in turn caused the ending to be altered. There are salvaged footage from the first ending that was filmed, in which Black actually manages to rescue Shadow Moon at the end, and supposedly, he would turn back into Nobuhiko. The plan was to make them both star in Black RX as new versions of Kamen Rider 1 and 2, now Black and Shadow. All cancelled due to the actor quitting the show. So we got the cliché ending of the sacrifice of the antagonist, even though it made no sense that he died without taking a fatal injury. And even worse, the fact that he briefly recovered his memories at the last minute, only to be abandoned to die. For that for it's many flaws, I consider Black just an average show. A few good moments, but A LOT of bad moments that make the show seems like wasted potential. The worst thing is how overrated and over hyped it is. It is not even close to a good show as some fans make it out to be.
>>1035 For some reason, Black is really popular in Brazil. I think it was one of the few shows that got officially licensed over there. But yeah it's a directionless & messy show. More than happy to see it remade/rebooted through Black Sun.
>>1036 Also in Indonesia. In both countries, it was apparently the first (maybe only) Kamen Rider to air on tv before the internet days, so it got a cult following on both. The movies is shaping up good, so far. I just wish they didn't divert so much from the original visual design, to the point it becomes unrecognizable. They should went with the Amazons route, where it is a modern look still reminiscent of the old look, and not a complete revamp. As for the original show, yeah. It is a mess with sparse good writing hidden between dozens of badly written episodes that are all fillers.
>>1024 On that not about behind the scenes problems: does anybody know what happened during Zyuohger's production? I watched the whole season at once years after it ended, and I noticed some red flags in it. I'm talking about things like: -Kyuranger (the subsequent season) not having a Versus movie with Zyuohger. I think that is the first time ever since 2001 that a season does not have a versus movie with the previous season. -The lack of a "Zyuohger Versus Super Sentai", given that this was a tradition for commemorative shows, like Zyuohger was. -The forced appearance of the Gokaiger team in the middle of the show, as a poor replacement for having no commemorative movie. It looke like a hastily attempt at raising the ratings, done at the last minute. -Only Misao/Zyuoh The World came back for a very quick comedic cameo in Lupat versus Kyuranger, out of nowhere, as if the producers were excusing themselves for not having a Kyuranger versus Zyuohger crossover. Since Zyuohger had a mix of references to many previous Sentai shows, I thought that producers would prepare some big event with it, but instead, we got nothing, with the aggravation of having one of the most popular season's cast members show up out of nowhere in the middle of the season, and having the Zyuohger cast not returning for a versus movie the next year. Does anyone know any information on what happened behind the scenes during that period?
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>>1039 Only controversy with Zyuohger I'm aware of is Tusk's actor committed a hit & run on his motorcycle. However, he did return later out of guilt. Thankfully no one died. Then Leo's actor just disappeared since 2018. No idea if he's ever resurfaced. I do have this screenshot encompassing the many controversies with Kamen Rider actors though.
>>1040 Thank you for the screenshot. It is good to know how things affected some productions, when they either change something or cancel something out of nowhere. As for the Zyuohger's actors, that is unfortunate. I find it strange that those things occurred to 2 of my least favorite characters' actors. Like I mentioned here >>1025 it seems that a increasingly number of scum or people with personal problems are being hired out of desperation, ending with situations like those.
>>1040 In the screenshot, which "Rai" character is the poster referring to?
>>1042 You mean Rat? He's one of the Team Gaim dancers.
>>1043 Thanks for clarifying. This one seems to be the most fucked up.
>>1045 Gremlin is just as bad. Horrible stuff.
>>1040 >Pic Those who scammed people are scum. But those who drove their girlfriends to suicide did nothing wrong. All women are parasites, and careers are more important than the lives of women.
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>>1051 Ow the edge!
>>1052 Being edgy is a good thing. And nothing that was said is wrong.
>>1057 It's good lost media is uncovered but damn is it cursed.
First episode to essentially be a two parter as it's a three wave zombie elimination round. Probably gonna go from GenmCorps subs to Excite now though. They shoved in the meme speak shit in the second episode of Saber & now they've done the same with Geats episode 3. Like have some sense. No one likes localization like this. At least edge anon will like Da-Paan.
>>1057 I'm completely against dubs of any kind.
>>1060 I just finished it. My impressions: Keiwa is turning worse and worse. But I see the intention for his existence: he is a punchline for the characters to express the writers' for this blind optimism that some betas have in life. Keiwa's line of "thing will be better" being promptly mocked by al lthe cast, including the main hero and the girl he likes was basically the writers telling the audience "don't be like this idiot in real life". Even more reinforced by Neon saying that "things don't get better just by wishing. You need to take risks to make them better". Despite that, Neon is turning out to be my second most hated character. Her trope is so blatant and in-your-face that it is embarrassing. She is, again, a vessel for writers (maybe producers) to address the anti-mariage and anti-relationship that men in Japan are adopting, due to the behavior of women. So they made a rich girl that is not a insufferable bitch (like if that was even possible) and make her be all cute and friendly. Like if saying "See? This is what you are losing, guys! Go date! Go marry! Your own Neon is waiting for you!" Keep doing that, writers, and you will only make the Japanese men avoid dating and marrying even more. The propaganda is blatantly obvious, and it won't change how women behave in real life (insufferable bitches). With that said, Dapan ended up becoming my favorite, simply because he is the one that does what people in real life should do: things are not doing well? Burn everything to the ground. The most realistic character so far. And one that has that tricky "reverse psychology" from writers. "Don't do what Dapan does, kids *wink wink*, even though he is doing the right thing". Lots of Japanese productions have this aspect. The producers aren't allowed to say harsh truths, so they make the "villains" say it, so the censorship allows a pass. The intention being that the message spreads, no matter who is saying it. As for Ace, still behaving in a satisfying way. But he is already falling into the cliché hero. The line about everyone being a rival should means that Ace would never help Neon. Let her die. It is one less rival to get in your way. I hope that Ace don't go the cliché route of becoming a savior. His more interesting aspect is that he (at least seemed to) acts for his own benefit only. If he ends up becoming just another savior, the show will be ruined by another boring cliché second half. As for production, the action scenes are great. The use of many camera angles during movement is top notch and very beautiful to watch. I just miss the bike already They should really stand up against that retarded law about modified bikes and shoot some nice fight scenes using the bike, so the show's action can have it's appeal increased. For now, the show is still enjoyable. I'm eager to see the conclusion of this zombie arc. Hopefully, Ace returns to being selfish, and not this dull savior cliché that he turned into, in this episode.
>>1062 >he is a punchline for the characters to express the writers' DISDAIN for this blind optimism that some betas have in life. Corrected.
>>1062 Yeah Keiwa is still too blindly optimistic & hopeful without any real reason to it. He doesn't seem to live that cushy of a life so I really can't see why he'd have this "everything will work out" mentality right now. I dunno about all that but Neon is pretty weak. Her desire of finding a soulmate is at least useful to allude to what Ace Ukiyo's true desire is. Trying to lure out someone that he can't just wish to find him for some reason. >With that said, Dapan ended up becoming my favorite, simply because he is the one that does what people in real life should do: things are not doing well? Burn everything to the ground. You need to calm down. He's not malicious but he does obviously want to win but also save lives in the process. He's not just gonna stand by when someone's being essentially murdered. I actually like him showing that heroic side even if he is ultimately selfish. They literally could not afford to go against the law.
>>1064 Nah, dude. When life goes bad, it is perfectly justifiable to burn everything to the ground. Fiction is the only place where this is treated as somehow being bad. As for Neon, she is basically a trope for writers to express their opinions without being censored, much like Keiwa. so, yes, both will be weak. At least for a long time. Ace is not malicious, but abandoning someone to die does not automatically means malice. They are rivals, as he himself said, and no matter what causes someone else's death, it would be advantageous for him. He acted out of character after delivering that line. It reeks of producer meddling, trying to censor things and making him act as a cliché hero just because they are afraid of portraying a more realistic and interesting character. As for the law, companies can unite and force their way through. especially if people are also angry about it, giving how that law is basically a scam to force more taxes upon everyone.
>>1065 Anon I think you need to rewatch or watch more Kamen Rider if you have such a cold apathetic edgy perspective on things.
>>1066 I watch them all the time. And I am increasingly bored by how idealistic the previous shows were. Apathy and edginess are good things.
>>1067 They are not good things at all. This franchise isn't for you. Japanese toku in general tends to be positive & idealistic.
>>1068 Apathy and edginess are good things.Always were. always will be. >This franchise isn't for you It is. They had more decent tones before. And are going back to them a little bit. Idealism is cancer.
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>>1071 Tokusatsu heroes are all idealistic.
Geats' 4th episode impressions: Although Neon dismissing Keiwa again for his blind idealism was good to watch, saying that even if he wishes well, things won't get good just because of his wishes, this was the worst episode so far. So, the lesson that this (new?) director wants to pass is "disobey your parents and run away from home to have some adventures, even if it may cost your life", right? I can only imagine a generation of girls growing up watching this garbage (episode, not the show itself) only to become bimbos and whores, leaving their houses early to go on "adventures" and coming back as useless meat or drug addicts. The best scene by far was Neon's mother beating her. I would do the same, and more. Neon should be expelled from home and have all her money taken away from her for being such a rotten daughter. The plot even contradicted itself, with Neon stating that now that she was close to death, she felt like going home. Then proceeded to confront her mother once she was healed, and say that she will leave her house no matter what. It reeks of behind the scenes conflict among the production team. Not to mention "I want to go home to mommy now that I'm screwed" is THE most rage inducing reaction of spoiled girls in real life. The show trying to portray that as some drama that we should feel sorry for is embarrassing. Nobody feels sorry for disobedient women who leave their homes for "adventure" and get their lives ruined. At the very minimum, people cheer when those type of women die. With that said, Ace being pushed back in order to highlight Neon was another thing that ruined this episode. You can't make a good episode by pushing away the best character (and protagonist) only to have one of the worst characters to be at the center. I won't be surprised if the ratings start to fall the very next episode due to this one. Dapan leaving so soon was also a mistake. He was a good character that did what was right: play to win and burn everything down if he loses. He deserved to be a constant threat to the other players. not some dismissed "lesson of the week" character. The action scenes are still great though. The camera work and the stuntmen did not let down again. The fights may be few but are all varied and enjoyable. I hope that in the next episodes. Neon gets shoved aside along with Keiwa, so the show can properly portray the good characters and the ones that actually matter, instead of the rotten daughter and the idiotic idealist.
>>1072 And? Idealism won't stop being cancer because of that.
>>1073 On a note about those scenes with Neon: He whining about "not being her mother's doll" was laughable. Yes, dumb girl. Children ARE their parents' dolls. All children are blank canvases in which parents paint them to their personal liking, and not let the children be free. That is the whole point of having children: having your personal army of "living dolls" to command and do your bidding. If the sons and daughters, even as adults, aren't servants of their parents, they should not even be born to begin with.
Nothing to really talk about for the 4th episode. Neon gets her backstory revealed that she was kidnapped once as a child so that's why her mother is so overprotective. She gets her big action scene & stands up to her mom but it's not very interesting. Still a pretty shallow female character. Dapaan at least loses. Mister edgelord who would've shot up his school in any other country with easy gun access. Good riddance. Only thing to really look forward to is Keiwa/Tycoon finally getting his default form with the ninja buckle. Don't think it's gonna be enough to get me to keep watching unless episode 5 really does something interesting. >>1074 Yeah you definitely should watch something else then.
>>1076 >Yeah you definitely should watch something else then No. The writers use villains and other non heroic characters to say harsh truths that idealistic idiots won't like to listen. That is good enough. Tokusatsu is not about cheering for the hero. It is about listening from the villains and learning from the truths that they teach.
>>1077 I can't even tell if you're just committed to this bit or genuinely brain damaged.
Tycoon Ninja magazine leaks.
>>1078 The only people who cheer for the heroes are manchildren. The villains are the ones that teach actual life lessons. That is why writers are censored into portraying them as villains.
>>1085 Gonna go with brain damaged.
Better looks at the Ninja Raise Buckle being used by Tycoon & Geats. Plus Punkjack the seemingly NPC new player & upcoming Revice HBV.

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