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FAQ and QTDDTOT HHHPinochet 11/27/2019 (Wed) 11:32:59 ID:261585 No. 926 [Reply] [Last]
Criticisms of right-wing libertarianism, low effort gotchas, and unpopular opinions should be limited to this thread. You aren't owed attention or a platform to speak out against our views, any new threads attacking anarcho-capitalism will be deleted. COVENANT COMMUNITIES A lot of posters seem to be ignorant on what a covenant community is and what its implications are. A covenant community is a small, homogeneous, gated community with strict controls on who can and cannot enter, who can and cannot gain residency, and what conduct must be observed within the community. In other words, it is a privatized micro-ethnostate. The idea was popularized by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, attached are some select quotes from Hoppe explaining the covenant community in his own words: >there would be little or no “tolerance” and “openmindedness” so dear to left-libertarians. Instead, one would be on the right path toward restoring the freedom of association and exclusion implied in the institution of private property. There exists a legal principle known as estoppel, which says those who do not value or abide by a certain norm are not entitled to appeal to that norm in their own defense. Commies don't believe in property rights, so they have estopped themselves from appealing to property rights in their own defense. Therefore, there is no need for a covenant community to wait until the commie commits a trespass before physically removing it.
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>>3312 >The appeal to pain isn't reasonable because it would apply to non-self-aware creatures. Then perhaps sapience is the criterion? I refuse to believe that it is a justifiable libertarian position to be complicit in someone beating the shit out of his dog, or setting his cat on fire, etc, essentially for the same reason that libertarians draw a line between voluntary and coercive forms of slavery. >I understand that some humans consider some non-sapient creatures cute, and even anthropomorphize them. Animal kinship goes a lot deeper than that for a lot of people. It is abundantly clear to anyone who bothers to look, that a number of animals are capable of demonstrating empathy, considerable learning ability, and of course, loyalty. You can argue this is instinctive behaviour, but by that same token, you would have to argue that humans are equally instinct-driven creatures. The capacity to reason doesn't enter into this particular issue. >Although it may be therefore valuable for some persons to treat these animals and objects in a certain way, enshrining 'rights' for them in law is a much bigger step. Again, I'm discussing the theoretical validity of animal rights, not necessarily legislature as such. Also, comparing animals with inanimate objects is a strawman, as I mentioned in my previous post. If an organism can be proven beyond reasonable doubt to possess sapience (thereby implying a degree of agency) and the ability to feel pain (thereby implying that violence against it is either coercive or defensive, never passive), then such would suggest that they do, in fact, have grounds for being defended by the NAP. >But wait! Animals hunt eachother all the time, often eating them alive! That doesn't matter; we both agree that animals lack rationality on par with humans, and as such, they behave instinctually. But at the exact same time, the fact that some of the more-evolved animals possess human-like emotional potential implies we must treat them at least similarly to how one treats actual humans. Again, I'm not against things like egg-farming, animal-driven vehicles, shepherding, or even fishing (fish generally tend to lack sapience; dolphins, of course, are not fish, though sharks are, and might well be an exception here), but that's very different from animal cruelty. The very FACT that some types of animal can display human-like behaviour implies that they have grounds for protection under the NAP, insofar as gratuitous coercive/sadistic violence is concerned.

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Some questions to the /fascist/s browsing this board: - If blacks are genetically inferior, how do you explain the high IQ rates of Nigerian-Americans? - If IQ is purely genetic, what explains the rapid rise of IQ of Irish-Americans from the early 20th century to now? (or the Flynn Effect, for that matter) - If Jews are are to be blamed for modern society given their disproportionate representation in media, how is that argument different from blacks in Africa saying that white farmers and white businessowners have to be expropriated because of their disproportionate influence in African nations?
>>3313 >perhaps sapience is the criterion? Perhaps. But frankly that seems like a huge step back from your original position. Is there any domesticated animal that would be protected under this definition? There are only a handful of animals who can plausibly be considered self aware or even pass a mirror or iq test. >inanimate objects is a strawman If what we have said about sapience or self awareness is correct, my pet rock with googly eyes has the same chance of thinking "I am in pain" or "I am suffering" as the non-sapients. Except my pet rock has a name and is cute, and the carnivorous amoeba doesn't and isn't. Furthermore your position isn't clear whatsoever. Are you trying to minimize pain or minimize suffering? Are you trying to give certain species rights or certain responsibilities or both? Are exceptions being made for domestication we wouldn't make for slavery or murder? What is the logical argument for considering 'human-like' behavior (which?) the basis for the applicability of the NAP?

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Welcome to /liberty/ HHHPinochet 08/19/2019 (Mon) 22:30:01 ID:e35c08 No. 3 [Reply] [Last]
A board for discussing private property norms, Austrian-school economics, and natural rights. Refugees not welcome. Check out our bros at 9chan: https://9chan.tw/libertarian/
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>>3074 Well that's just sad. All that work for nothing.
A meta for the diarchy is established. >>>/site/319 Between /monarchy/ and /liberty/

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Anonymous 06/07/2020 (Sun) 08:20:23 ID:7e6270 No. 3015 [Reply] [Last]
>coronavirus So how fake and gay was this shit after all?
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>>3047 Is it just me or did (((they))) really overestimate their influence with the corona thing? Did they really think they could bring world communism from this little scare or was it just training for the real thing? Because they are really running out of credibility fast. There's also another theory that corona is actually a coverup for illnesses caused by 5G, but I'm not so sure yet.
Assuming that the coronavirus is something real, How would a libertarian society handle the coronavirus and the problems that come out of it or such situations such as - >some shithole is responsible for the mess that people has to suffer through > to make sure they're not penalized for establishment's irresponsible containment practices >need for constant and increasing testing facilities >need for containment centres, increase in hospital beds, ventilators, PPEs >increase in medication, PPEs, sanitizers, mask production facilities >mass awareness for hygenic practices that needs propaganda and law enforcement >lockdowns >crime, police >vaccination >stockpiling fever pills, antivirals, antibiotics >increase medicine costs, hospital beds, treatment bills and other such problems.

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Random/Shitpost Thread Anonymous 01/23/2020 (Thu) 18:17:39 ID:481c8d No. 1601 [Reply] [Last]

Listen up kiddo. We need to have a little chat. You thought you could lurk around here just because you're a cool guy and we share the same worldviews? You thought /liberty/ was open and free for everyone? That's not how it works, pal. This isn't some hippie-dippie commie shithole. Nothing in life is free besides the cheese in a mousetrap. You gotta leave a post in this thread every time you visit the board if you wanna keep the lights on over here. Yes, I know, I know, but someone had to say it. You know how the economy is these days, it's tough for everyone. Don't make it more difficult for the rest of us, we all have to carry our own weight. We all have to do our part to keep the place running. There's no room for freeloaders around here. Leave something in this thread each time you visit the board and we can keep on being friends.
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>>3314 If you refuse to put in effort, then I will do the same.
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>>3318 >reddit doesn't want to put in effort Holy yikes, I am shocked and appalled.
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Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 01:38:04 ID:86ab55 No. 3321 [Reply] [Last]
Please post other libertarian forums, blogs, etc.. All I have are two podcasts from Bob Murphy and Jeff Deist once every couple weeks, and the four posts on this forum that isn't someone diaperposting. Being one of the remaining 12 libertarians in 2020 is kind of depressing.
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>>3332 Check these digits.
>>3333 Checked.
>>3332 Here is a new one. It sounds quite basic, like recorded bare bones from the garage or spare bedroom basic. It was advertised on the last Libertarian Christian podcast. https://yourfreedomadventure.com/ >if the government took down the Mises Institute and those associated with it, that would absolutely destroy the libertarian movement Yeah it really would. Those associated with the Mises Instititute are the only ones that actively represent libertarianism currently. God knows you cannot look to the "Libertarian" Party especially since their chairman refused to let Ron Paul speak and is getting cozy with the socialists and other left-leaning members in the party.

fed holdings of financial assets july 2020 Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 17:26:19 ID:482686 No. 3316 [Reply] [Last]
how do we bankrupt this
>>3316 >Bankrupt the institution that makes money. Uhhhhhhh
>>3317 Soros did it to the Bank of England. Short sold the pound and forced it to sell reserves to back its value. Once it ran out it was forced to devalue.

Ancap is Naive Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 07:52:12 ID:06c0a6 No. 3325 [Reply] [Last]
Anarcho-Capitalism, left leaning and Anarchist Libertarianism is just as naive and stupid as Socialism or Communism. How exactly do you intend to deal with people using the freedom they gain in your society to overthrow your way of life? How do you keep undesirables from strong-arming the economy and abusing consumers much like how we see with major sudo monopolies like Google, Amazon and most banks do today? How do you keep foreign businesses undercutting your local economy? How do you keep companies from hiring in mass foreign labor over American labor for whatever reason? To me Liberterianism really only makes logical sense when Nationalist policies are applied to it and no I don't think that's a contradiction. If you want to have a truely free market and not have it completely shat on and destroyed in an instant I think economic protectionism, scrict border security and a nationalist foreign policty are extremely important. I think this is even more abundently clear seeing the digusting Marxist/Communist/Socialist revolution being allowed to happen in the U.S. today.
We've answered this a million times before, either keep it in the cuck corner >>926, or go back to complaining about it on twitter with everyone else.

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Jo Jorgensen endorses BLM Anonymous 07/10/2020 (Fri) 22:30:54 No. 3304 [Reply] [Last]
Defenders claim she's talking about "the movement, not the organization." Is there any hope for democratic libertarianism?
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I hope Bill Weld runs as a Republican in 2024 and wins the nomination.
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>>3304 Who the fuck cares about this bitch? As soon as she mentioned open borders she's no better than a communist in my eyes.

Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 02:59:47 ID:df6794 No. 2438 [Reply] [Last]

Does forcing children to be potty trained violate the NAP?
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You don't know what NAP is, faggot.
>>2438 Children cannot survive in the wild without parental aid until around the age of 5 or 6. I would consider them the property of the parents (whatever agreement was made between the parents before conception) until they reach this age as a natural law.

/abdl/ welcomes you Anonymous 06/03/2020 (Wed) 15:07:20 No. 2967 [Reply] [Last]
Don’t think that we wouldn’t follow you here, anons, in fact we have came here early to scout out whether 8moe was a good location for your boards, and we can confirm it is. Have this fresh OC as a welcoming gift! t. /abdl/
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>>2971 There’s more overlap than you think >>2972 People into /abdl/ often had bedwetting problems and stuff
>>2976 You got discord or a contact of some way? :3 >>3001 Abdl is a based capitalist fetish. Plastic and advertising all come from capitalism.
>>2971 >tfw both /abdl/ and /fascist/ There is overlap among us all

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OC Thread: Julay Edition Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 22:48:44 ID:fd811b No. 451 [Reply] [Last]

OC, fresh memes, and rare Aurelias.
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