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Drawing Hardware General Anonymous 05/09/2021 (Sun) 14:14:30 No. 2780
A THREAD FOR DIGITAL DRAWING HARDWARE AND PERIPHERAL QUESTIONS I was drawing this morning and my tablet (HUION WH1409 8192) pen's pressure was acting up and I pressed down harder on it thinking the nib was stuck or something but I felt the nib get lodged into the pen. The nib was really stuck in there but I managed to get it out. HOWEVER, now it's not registering pressure whatsoever and I've tried sticking objects down the shaft to see if I could maybe get whatever was in there out or maybe reset the pressure mechanism, but to no avail. I'm pretty sure it's just fucked. I found what model it was online but how exactly does replacing a previous pen work? Should it work out of the box when I touch the new pen to my tablet or am I going to have to install new drivers? Are the settings on it going to have to be reset?
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If you are just replacing the pen then you don't need to do anything. The settings are stored in the driver which detects the specific model of tablet independently of the pen. TL;DR >Should it work out of the box Yes >am I going to have to install new drivers No >Are the settings on it going to have to be reset? No
>>2781 I figured that was the case, thank you for the quick response.
>>2780 If it's anything like a wacom Intuos pen, it's not unthinkable that you could fix it yourself. They open up quite easily, and the construction is rather simple. My old one broke in a similar way and all I had to do was move a spring back into place. It worked like a charm for several years before breaking in an accident. If everything but the pressure sensitivity works, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just that. I'm sure there are videos around explaining the procedure. If you're getting a new one anyway, it couldn't hurt to try since a pen without pressure sensitivity is near useless.
My laptop has a touch screen, drawing on it is ok but not what I want. Would getting a wacom improve things or is it about the same experience and you just have to get used to it?
>>2784 Do you mean your screen can accept a stylus input with pressure sensitivity? If not then of course a tablet would be better, holy moly. Screen tablets on laptops in my experience are inaccurate and shitty, and if you mean a literal touch screen and you're drawing with your finger or something then I suggest you stop that immediately.
Get the biggest Huion or Wacom tablet you can reasonably afford and can accommodate on your desk. Also, get a bigger desk/use a table if you have to. >IKEA gang It's worth it.
>>2784 Most laptop touch screens use AES technology which kind of sucks for drawing. I know Wacom uses EMR and the only laptops that use that are Samsung.
How fast are pen tips supposed to wear down? Is it fine if I already feel a pointy tip/edge on it after two weeks of frequent use or have I been too heavy handed?
>>2809 I have no idea, because I've been drawing for literal years with the same tips and I've never had them wear down. It's very strange.
>>2809 If you have a wacom Intuos 5 or later the surfaces for those models are intentionally designed with a gritty texture to make your nibs wear down almost overnight under the guise of imparting a "natural feel" to the tablet's drawing surface. Get a clear, hard plastic film or laminate from an art store and cut it to size or spend a lot of money on a "POSRUS Nib-save" laminate sheet like I do because I'm a lazy ass.
>>2814 It definitely might be a difference in hardware, or it could also just be bad habits on my end which I've yet to cull. Do you draw with fairly light strokes? >>2823 I got a One by Wacom and I honestly don't know if it's one of the rougher types or not since it's my first one. I'll definitely do that when I get the chance though.
>>2838 I draw fairly lightly, yes. For reference, I'm using a Wacom Pen tablet Intuos S. Maybe you can fiddle with your sensitivity settings to force you to draw lightly?
>>2838 the One is relatively new and though I've never used it, from all appearances it doesn't look like it has that kind of surface-but I could be wrong. If your nibs are wearing out really quickly though I can only assume that could be "One" reason why. It's almost impossible to tell from the pictures alone. If it feels like it has any appreciable grit or texture then that is the likely culprit. In the past the Wacom 3s and 4s had basically a slick rubbery plastic surface which preserved nibs for long periods of time.
>>2839 Yeah, I've had it set right down the middle but I'll try gradually increasing the sensitivity. >>2842 Yeah, it doesn't seem to be any rougher than a hard plastic surface. Most likely just a me problem. Thanks, anons.
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>>2852 Try something like this.
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>>2852 I like a curve like this. You need to use less pressure to become opaque and it allows you to draw and paint with low opacities.
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Actually a pressure curve like this is even better. Forgot that I actually used this one. As a master pressure curve for my software. In Krita you can configure that under Settings --> Configure Krita -->Tablet Settings.
Any advice on Linux compatibility? Are there common problems or will most tablets work? Anything to recommend for a complete newbie who doesn't know what to look for?
>>3168 > Any advice on Linux compatibility? Are there common problems or will most tablets work? Both. Most tablets will just work. Pressure sensitivity and the stylus will usually always work. From experience I can say that buttons on Wacom devices also work. They probably also work for huion. Rebinding buttons can sometimes be tricky though. I would be using OpenBSD if they actually supported more graphics tablets. Linux is a dream. Every fucking piece of hardware just werksTM . > Anything to recommend for a complete newbie who doesn't know what to look for? Don't waste money on a tablet with touch. You very likely won't use the touch feature. Are you also looking for general art advice?
>>3170 >Are you also looking for general art advice? not the same anon but I'm also a newbie interested in this. I'm pretty set for money but not for space. I also have a laptop I like to move around a lot. Also, do you guys generally work from your desk, or do you move around a lot with your tablet (or even draw from a bed or sofa)?
>>3181 > Also, do you guys generally work from your desk, I only draw and paint at my desk, because my set up takes up quite a lot of space. > or do you move around a lot with your tablet (or even draw from a bed or sofa)? I don't, because either you don't use a keyboard or you use a keyboard and are in an uncomfortable position. Having a computer with a build in touch screen (like an IPad) could maybe work (If it has enough buttons on the side, or you somehow manage to get an efficient workflow going), but I don't have experience with that. But realistically you will stay in one place anyway, so that the touch feature becomes redundant if you use a keyboard. There are artists that mostly use the buttons on their tablet (if there are sufficently many, maybe eight or more), but even then they need a keyboard from time to time. In my opinion this idea of drawing on your couch or in your bed is mostly a marketing thing used to sell you more expensive devices. That's not how they're used in practice. To be blunt, I don't think any artist worth mentioning uses a keyboard with a dedicated computer. > I'm pretty set for money but not for space. I also have a laptop I like to move around a lot. Do you live in a literal closet? Like clean your room. Make some space.
> To be blunt, I don't think any artist worth mentioning uses a keyboard with a dedicated computer. < To be blunt, I DO think any artist worth mentioning uses a keyboard with a dedicated computer.
>>3181 Newb tip: Don't get caught up in trying to perfectly copy one method. There are hundreds of schools of thought about how to get good at art, how to do construction, how to practice, etc. Tip 2: Don't feel like you have to spend five years doing nothing but wireframe-esque sketches before you graduate to complete works. >>3182 I can't talk about Androids, but you can use any usb keyboard on an iPad as long as you have an adapter. Or you buy one of those cases with the built in keyboard. Other than that, the workflow involves hand gestures like tapping with multiple fingers or swiping. For example, a two finger tap is typically undo, and a three finger tap is redo. Apple's default palm rejection algorithm is fucking terrible though, that's the real problem with drawing on an iPad.
This is probably a common question, but which is better between tablets with display and those without? Assuming the quality of both is equal of course.
>>3364 I prefer a tablet with no screen but only the Larger models for reasons I've elaborated in tgis and other threads
>>3364 I prefer tablets with a screen, because they make me more accurate, which I felt significantly while doing animation. But the most important thing is that the tablet is at least about as big as a sheet of paper. (the drawing surface)
>>3365 >>3366 (checked) >opposite answers T-thanks. I was already planning on going as big as possible. Is there a cheap way to compare the two? Screen ones are straightforward, but the screenless kind looks like it takes actual wizardry to adjust to.
>>3364 I don't know what "quality" means in the context, assuming they have the exact same dimensions and pressure sensitivity options, I can not think of a single reason not to get the type with a display. >>3367 If you're going into tablets with a money saving mindset, you're going to have a bad time.
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>>3367 >the screenless kind looks like it takes actual wizardry to adjust to This is (sort of) a meme, have you ever used a computer mouse to click on something? You're not "looking at" what you're clicking on either but the familiar motion allows you to do it anyway, of course, some factors can make that simple task more or less difficult like what you have your sensitivity set as for example, these kinds of tablets are no different. Where the meme holds true though is the fact that any screenless tablet short of the larger models is a huge piece of shit that should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately they're also the first ones people are often apt to buy because they're less expensive and because they don't want to invest too much as "a beginner". Buying a small shitty tablet is probably the single worst thing a beginner can do to themselves in my opinion and so many people actually do it that it's created this sentiment among us artists that we "need" the screen models. >>3370 >I can not think of a single reason not to get the type with a display. I personally will take a large screenless tablet over even the most extravagant screen-having model any day of the week and I've actually done so; I have the good fortune of experiencing the differences between the two types first hand so I have the context needed to make that decision, having owned a Cintiq 12WX and the QHD one from a few years back. >similar drawing "motion", just oriented differently-and in a way that affords you a more neutral sitting position >pixel-perfect accuracy (screen tablets have parallax) >hold their proportional value better (screens get deprecated/burn out etc.) That all said, it's not "wrong" to use a screen tablet it's just a preference, it's just that having run the very expensive gauntlet of trying just about everything out there that's just what I settled on.
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>>3370 Yeah I was talking about size and sensitivity, I'm not too worried about chinese build quality if I don't have to be. And as for "cheap", it's relative to haying to buy both and offloading the one I don't use, not to being stingy with which one I get. >>3373 Thanks for the detailed reply. Honestly I hate the feeling of drawing on glass so I was leaning toward screenless to begin with. Why do small tablets exist, other than to turn people into wristlets? >that walk cycle
>>3375 >Honestly I hate the feeling of drawing on glass so I was leaning toward screenless to begin with. Screen tablets don't feel like glass lel. The surface is similar to the screenless ones. It all dependds on the specific tablet.
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>>3373 >>similar drawing "motion", just oriented differently-and in a way that affords you a more neutral sitting position Funny you mention this as most animators would typically draw in a position more comparable to a Cintiq than a screenless tablet.
>>2780 What are some things I need to know or do to figure out of using a tablet is right for me? T. does lines in pencil and inks digitally, thinking about making a change.
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>>3380 I wouldn't call using a 3lb screen tablet the same as a drafting table, you really can't put that kind of pressure on them or rest your elbows and the like on them like that. Though you can get that kind of tactile feel with the larger models with the $500 Ergo Stand (https://estore.wacom.com/en-US/wacom-ergo-stand-for-wacom-cintiq-pro-32-ack62802k.html). Putting a small screen tablet on a drawing table directly would be an idea that'd likely alleviate that shortcoming in some ways if you still had easy access to your keyboard and the rest of your computing area somehow. That wouldn't be a bad idea to use with an iPad Pro or Wacom's own Mobilestudio tablet computer for example if that's what you're interested in. As a former owner of a "top of the line" Cintiq though I have zero interest in purchasing another or anything like it, because I simply did not perceive any appreciable increase in "performance" or comfort on my end vs. what I had been using. I rank the 32 QHD I purchased and then got rid of shortly thereafter as one of the bigger financial mistakes of my life. Ultimately it's about whatever works for you, but whenever I hear someone swearing by a Cintiq my first thought is that they fell into the "Bamboo to Cintiq" pipeline much like I did when I first started doing this stuff, going from a cheap shit Wacom to the very troubled 12WX Cintiq model. >>3383 If you have even a passing interest in doing digital art you're in luck. A Wacom large tablet that will actually give you decent control over your mark making holds its value extremely well, and you can expect to sell it five years from now for probably 75%+ the price you pay for it today. The only real issue is the logistics of it: do you have enough room in your current desk to accommodate the tablet as well as your keyboard, monitor etc.? If not, it's worth the expense to build your working area around it. You don't want it on your lap or something like that it just doesn't work well that way and neither do any of the others.
>>3384 okay then, I have some more questions: 1. Are there any real non-marketing-meme differences between the hardware of intuos pro and the not-pro-intuos? 2. what's the feel of the surface like on tablets nowadays? my bamboo fun has sort of a "drag" in it, like it's similar to paper, and I like that. 3. I plan on buying it used through ebay, what are some defects or gotchas to look out for? I'd rather buy used than "refurbished" since vendors have been doing scummy shit selling not-cosmetically-obvious-but-functionally-obvious broken products.
>>3394 >2. what's the feel of the surface like on tablets nowadays? my bamboo fun has sort of a "drag" in it, like it's similar to paper, and I like that. NTA, but what you are referring to is called "matte finish" and almost any good tablet is going to have it. Even Cintiqs where you draw on the screen do. It's not impossible somebody built a shitty design, but all you need to know is whether or not the tablet has "grip".
>>3394 >1. They changed the terminology over the years on me, my first tablet was a little piece of shit called the Graphire 3 that was the Bamboo's equivalent of its day. Without the context to know that what I was using was trash unfortunately it was easy to get frustrated and basically quit drawing for a long time because of it, which is one reason I've become quite passionate in dismissing them. To answer your question more directly, I really don't know, what I do know is that the single most important feature a tablet has is its drawing surface size and how it relates to the size of the monitor you're using, second is the stylus and how it feels to draw with and I couldn't tell you what, if any, other superficial differences there may be >2. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, that gritty drawing surface is somewhat pleasant feeling, but the reality of it is that it's designed to murder your stylus nibs and force you to spend tons of money replacing them. If you're using an Intuos 5 or later you're going to want to get a surface protector (which would entail a plastic laminate sheet cut to size adhered to your tablet somehow or a pre-made from amazon) to make your nibs last much longer and to protect your tablet's surface. The "grit" itself wears off before too long and starts looking/feeling like shit and it loses a lot of its aesthetic quality and resale value because of it. >3. They look weird, but the Intuos 4 Large is a very desirable tablet because it has the Intuos 3's nib-friendly surface but in a wide screen compatible aspect ratio. Otherwise just get a Intuos 5 or "Pro" I think they call the newest model. I'd recommend the Intuos 3 easily but unfortunately its dimensions are meant for CRT monitors.
>>3395 >>3396 many thanks for the tips, anons.
>>3396 > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, that gritty drawing surface is somewhat pleasant feeling, but the reality of it is that it's designed to murder your stylus nibs That's true. The old Wacom Intuos shredded the nibs like a motherfucker.
>>3400 Yeah, I actually would MUCH prefer that grit if I hadn't come to believe that it's a planned obsolescence conspiracy. Sad! It really does feel good to draw on but it's not only cost prohibitive but the fact the grit wears away and becomes smooth and uneven over time makes it a poor value proposition. You might see examples of this phenomenon on ebay-in fact buying one that looks like shit and just slapping a surface cover on it might not be a bad way to save money as long as it works. IMHO best to just get used to drawing on it with a surface cover to preserve the tablet's integrity and ensure that it remains in good condition over the years imho. You don't miss the grit at all once you get used to it.
>>3396 >>3395 so I ended up watching this: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jt0A2SGmB_Y It had me thinking about if I actually need to upgrade at all, but something that concerns me is the whole "sizing your tablet for your screen," thing. How would I size my tablet for my screen to determine if what I got is right? I barely used my tablet back when I bought it, so all I really would need is replacement nibs (lost the old ones), laminate sheets, and filament so I can 3d-print myself an adjustable stand.
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>>3402 >even when using a bigger tablet I map it to [a] smaller area so I don't have to move my hand too much (In case you missed the significance of this statement: he is describing the single best reason to get a larger tablet as a negative) >I map Medium size tablet to smaller size so the test is more fair to the other tablets >most important aspect of any drawing tablet is "responsiveness" (wut) >is $300 tablet better than $80 tablet? it's probably just a self justification >200-fucking-thousand views What the fuck, man. Okay, this guy is a perfect example of all the (often unintentional) misinformation floating around out there. First of all, this guy is a middling 3D sculptor, not a line artist, and that should have been your first clue that his opinions are completely detached from the reality of a line artist. He literally says early in the video that he'd intentionally mapped the bigger tablets to a smaller drawing surface, laughably asserts that they're "the same" by the end and chalks up the difference in price to "pen tilt"-a meaningless feature-just to be snarky and reductionist. This dude is just another ignoramus with a camera and bad opinions. Expanding on this, this person is probably a nice guy and just wants to help people from his perspective and I respect that, and I feel the same way about anyone who does their best in that regard, but he's 100% wrong and has done irreversible harm to hundreds of thousands of people in his desire to "save people from wasting their money" from a position of ignorance, himself.
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>>3402 Oh sorry, I just realized in the process of my rant I didn't answer your specific question. >How would I size my tablet for my screen to determine if what I got is right? The answer is: if your monitor is 15 inches or over in size-and it probably is-then you absolutely should be using a large Intuos tablet or at worst a Huion equivalent. They work best on monitors 15 to 17 inches (laptop size) because they have a 15 inch drawing surface, the closer to a 1:1 relationship your tablet has to your display the better. While they're perfect for a laptop they are literally the only viable option on those displays that are larger, because the smaller tablets get exponentially more and more retarded the bigger your display gets.
>>3406 > They work best on monitors 15 to 17 inches (laptop size) because they have a 15 inch drawing surface, the closer to a 1:1 relationship your tablet has to your display the better. That's true, but you can get around it, by mapping only a certain area with the correct aspect ration to the monitor. Most of your drawing will also happen towards the center of the tablet.
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>>3421 That's a silly "compromise" though. Yeah you can get that 1:1 by cutting the input off from most of your monitor, but your drawing surface is still the size of four post-it notes stuck together. Also, having to switch between your stylus and your mouse to access menus and stuff like that doesn't sound like a big deal until you realize how often you end up having to do it. The point of a larger tablet-the fact you will indeed do a significant portion of your drawing in a small central area notwithstanding-is that you can activate your shoulder more circumstantially like you would if you were drawing on a real media. The money, which is a paltry sum in the grand scheme of things particularly considering resale value and longevity, is well worth spending. You can get a used Intuos 5 Large for around $200 right now on ebay after shipping (iirc they initially retailed for between $300 or $400), they are 9 years old but are pretty much indistinguishable from current models.
>>3404 >>3432 >>3384 Just got my intuos 4 Large (open-box, basically never-used otherwise). Having used the bamboo for a quite a bit, I can tell, the difference between a large surface vs a small surface is night and day. Everything feels so much smoother when you can use your shoulder with it. oh my fucking god, everything you say makes absolutely sense now.
>>3540 >absolutely sense makes absolute sense now.
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>>3540 Excellent choice on the Intuos 4, I'm pumped for you, man. Best model they'd ever made: the smooth surface of the Intuos 3 with the proper dimensions for today's displays so you don't feel like a mongoloid using it. HE'LL YEAH, BÖRTHER Unfortunately, it doesn't make you get good instantly or something silly like that, but unlike the Bamboo and other smaller models it won't make things more difficult for you than they should be either. This shit is hard enough as it is. Now, your artistic journey can truly begin
Bros.. how do I into stabilizers?
>>3624 Your software's default should be fine.
>>3545 Correction: the Intuos 4 does not have the same surface as the Intuos 3. My bad; I remembered wrong. The 4 has kind of a hard plastic surface similar to a Huion that, while not as aggressive as the Intuos 5 or Pro's literal sandpaper surface, is nonetheless quite a bit more prone to wear and tear than the Intuos 3 is. Seems the 3 is still the kang in that regard, the 4 actually can get pretty gross if you don't take care of it apparently. With this revelation I highly recommend using the same trick of using a laminate sheet cut to size, or you could even use a piece of paper and adhere it to the surface with a light painter's tape, though that will chew up your nibs much like the default Intuos 5 surface does.
>>3626 Thanks
>>3632 I know that reply was pretty flippant, I purchased a program called "Lazy Nezumi" once years ago and never really used it. I've never seen the point, but that could be because of the kind of art I do. Never had problem with lines though, seems like a meme to me tbh
I took my huion H610pro out of the cupboard for the first time in a couple years to try my hand at drawing again after giving up. But it turns out the lithium ion battery in the stylus died. Apparently the PEN68 is compatible (at least according to this ebay listing) and it takes a AAA battery instead so I'm wondering if I should just replace it with that. I looked at a tear down for the PEN80 and the lithium ion battery looks about the size of a AAA battery anyways so it really just seems like an annoyance to get the same pen again knowing it will be useless after a couple years. I really should have avoided a tablet with a stylus that requires battery at all, but I'm not sure if there were many of those on the market back then. Seems like the newer versions of the same tablet might not need any battery.
>>3745 That sucks. I gave a little girl that came into my work a Huion WH1409 a few years ago, her and her brother still send me art once in a while but I'm not sure if they're still using that tablet specifically. Wacoms have their faults but if nothing else the older models in particular are extremely reliable
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There were a number of posts about proper posture when using drawing tablets, so I decided to convert my Huion to see how it feels (Kamvas Pro 12, but I think it would be easy enough with any other model since the drivers are probably similar enough). I was able to change the working area to my primary monitor, and then I changed the background on my tablet display to a grid, just for fun. So far it feels quite good, though it felt a bit weird at first since I'm used to using it as a display. I've definitely noticed that I can draw for longer without feeling shoulder strain. Before, I would just take breaks every 30 minutes or so. I'm thinking I might try getting something like in the 3rd pic so that I can have a few more keybindings, and so that I don't have to reach across my tablet to use the keys on my keyboard. Has anyone tried anything similar?
>>5113 That's a pretty neat idea and I'm glad it's working out for you. I personally am of the belief that the legacy-style tablets such as how you're wielding your Huion at this point are much more comfortable to use and even more accurate in some ways than the ones with a screen. Admittedly there could be some "holistic" thing I'm missing with the screen tablets but having used them myself I don't really think so. I do not feel as good drawing on a screen as I do drawing on a piece of paper and I don't think they're comparable at all, contrary to what Wacom and all of these other companies would dearly like us to believe.
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>>5113 >>5113 I use a tablet stand and put my keyboard underneath so that I can use my full keyboard for shortcuts. You should definitely look into mechanical keyboards. They are a joy to type on. I am unable to find any 32+ inch tablet without a screen but I would rather use a screenless tablet if given the choice.
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I do not really care about brand or model name but is the 32 inches $3k tablet really the biggest drawing tablet in the world? I have a hard time believing that professional artists limit themselves to 32 inches. Not to mention that even my monitor is bigger and cheaper and better. I remember a japanese manga artist with a huge tablet that looks at least 43 inches. Where do you acquire one of these? Are they custom made? Unrelated but are there any tablet pen made for the overhand style?
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>>5279 Looks like 32 is actually the largest on the market. And the only pen that supports overhand grip is apple pencil. I am fine that. A bigger tablet will not make me better at drawing anyways.
>>5284 the Apple Pencil is better than the Wacom stylus in some ways but worse in others (the inability for the tablet to read the AP before it makes contact with the screen is a pretty substantial one)-I'd argue that it feels better overall as far as drawing on a screen goes. However, it being held back by the iOS ecosystem and the resulting software limitations makes it a bit less desirable regardless (CSP is available-but as a subscription model which imho should be refused on principle). tl;dr get a 20~ inch monitor and an Intuos 3, 4 or 5 Large and save yourself the money.
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>>5285 Yeah apple products are troublesome. I want to buy the 32 inches tablet but it has a lot of bad reviews. Do you have any experience with it? Intuos large is tempting because it will save me a lot of money but I want to avoid buying used stuffs.
>>5286 I used the Cintiq 27QHD for a few weeks (if you ctrl+F I think I've posted about my experience before in this thread), it had many of the same problems I had with the 12WX which was many years older, I ditched it pretty quickly as consequence. I'm not sure if there is some "holistic" thing I'm missing with the screen drawing tablets but I don't really see the appeal. Your posture is better with a regular tablet, the only real issue is the drawing surface/display size difference which is alleviated mostly through using a bigger tablet and a reasonably-sized monitor. >I want to avoid buying used stuffs. I don't blame you, but the fact is you can find drawing tablets relatively unused and in great shape on Facebook Marketplace, Craiglslst and Ebay because it's so common for people to give up drawing entirely relatively quickly.
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>>5291 I bought the 32 inches tablet with my algorithmic trading gains. I will just turn off the display and use it like a regular screenless tablet so I am unlikely to encounter any problems you had with screen tablets. Yeah screenless tablets are more ergonomic and cheaper but they are not available at a larger size. Unfortunately converting a screen tablet into a screenless tablet is the only way. I do not even have a social media lol. Anything beyond amazon is so complicated that I will never bother with it.
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So I've had the HUION WH1409 8192 for a year now and while the tablet is great, the pen (pw500) is a complete piece of shit and this is the third one I've gone through this year. Specifically, the pressure level mechanism keeps breaking and only registering maximum pressure (which can only be fixed by taking apart and soldering from what I understand). Does anybody know a good pen that's compatible with the aforementioned tablet?
>>5386 They might make third party stylus for Huion tablets but I really don't know much about it. Give it a try. So this is the WH1409 v2 with 8192 meme levels eh? That's a shame, consider getting a big Intuos 3+ instead. Decades of reliability tbh
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>>5386 Never used their products but I am pretty sure that any pen from the same brand is compatible. Granted they support the same amount of pressure sensitivity and tilt. The pen that came with my smaller tablet works with the new tablet and I can barely notice a difference if any.
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After a week of drawing on my new tablet I am incapable of returning my smaller one. It feels so constraining to be unable to draw with full shoulder movement. I have no idea how I managed survive for a whole year with a tablet that small. I can never go back now that I know how wonderful large tablets are. Just wanted to let you know that I am grateful for your advice Loomis. Cheers.
>>5455 Thank you; I'm extremely glad to see that so many people who've gone through with similar upgrades seem to share a similar sentiment.
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Oh, I found the screenshot of that table that was once present on the WACOM wiki a few months ago (no-schizo, it was removed from the wiki a day or two after I'd posted it in a tablet thread on /ic/ after being on there for who knows how long. Coincidence?) This table, to me, proves that Wacom's tablets have been more or less unchanged since the Intuos 3-apart from ergonomic concerns-as well as the potential "sensitivity" of their stylus which most will tell you isn't something of real concern
I am thinking of getting into digital, but have some questions. How long does it take to get used to screen-less tablet? My plan is to get a used tablet and a daily one hour practice. Accuracy on it vs pen display and traditional mediums is my main concern. Last time I tried tablets was over a decade ago, when even the bottom of the barrel wacoms would cost couple hundred dollars. I got the least expensive tablet with working area slightly smaller than a piece of printer paper. I spend weeks on getting used to it, but it was a horrid experience. I suspect that the bulk of it was due to me being a dumb teen unable to configure tablet properly, cheaping out, and technical limitations of my old tablet. However, I can't stop remembering the annoyance of not being able to be 100% accurate 100% of the time, like I can be when I see my drawing it traditional mediums. This problem does not exist on pen displays, but ergonomics are not ideal. However, I can get around ergonomics issues by setting my screen and pen display to mirror each other. That way I can glance at the display when trying to get the placement of my stylus right, and spend most of the time looking at computer screen in front of me afterwards. Are stands for screenless tablets worth it? I see their utility for making drawing from shoulder more convenient. On the other hand, incline surface is not as necessary for screen-less tablets, as you do not get angle distortion because computer screens are vertical. Additionally, how are styluses for drawing an at angle? I grew accustomed to this grip in traditional art as it makes it much easier to avoid wrist use. Would the Wacom Pro Pen 2 stylus be able to do it? Would something like Mitsubishi WACOM Hi-Uni Digital or Staedtler Noris EMR be better?
>>5784 >how long As long as you have a good one (a Large one), not too long at all provided you have good manual dexterity with traditional media >accuracy A traditional tablet is more accurate and affords a far better posture option than a display tablet, the problem with smaller traditional tablets is the "velocity" that comes from having a small drawing surface (both Small and Medium tablets) covering a display that is far larger. >last time You probably got a small tablet, most people don't understand the consequences of that decision-even fairly experienced artists-and they purchase the small ones thinking they're being "thrifty". There's even a highly rated video with hundreds of thousands of views someone posted in this thread where a person (who is not a line artist themselves) claims that the tablet "Doesn't Matter®". They're full of shit and should be ashamed of themselves, I've heard that statement regurgitated a lot and nothing could be further from the truth. This is not to say that good work can't be done on smaller tablets, however if you value your time or your health even a little there is absolutely no reason to go the cheap route. >This problem doe not exist on pen displays Not necessarily true. Pen displays have a problem called "parallax" which means that there is a small but consequential discrepancy between where your stylus is on the screen and how it's being interpreted by your tablet and computer. Screenless tablets, to that end, are objectively more "accurate". However the problem with cursor velocity is significant. On a modern small tablet you can expect something like a 1:3 movement distance to drawing distance relation between the tablet and a typical display. It is very important to close that gap as tightly as possible, to the point where no expense should be spared to achieve that. >are stands worth it I wouldn't think so, it just seems like something that'd get in the way. >draw at an angle No unfortunately you can't draw in that manner with a Wacom stylus iirc, I do agree that drawing like that is more comfortable and it's one reason I still very much enjoy drawing in pencil.
>>5785 Thank you for the information. I am pretty sure that most issues I experienced years ago were due to subpar tablet that was too small for anything besides signatures and occasional goofing around. At one point I was wondering about Intuos4 Extra Large, but they are not that easy to come by and the size seems a bit excessive for my setup. I am currently considering refurb intuos pro large. Paper edition crossed my mind, but results seem to be worse than scanning and isolating lineart with masking. It's a nice option to have none the less, but not nice enough to almost double the tablet's price. >drawing at an angle is not possible. It's a shame. I would have thought that wacom, or other companies would realize that many artists would welcome that option. Instead, styluses are designed like a writing utensils rather than an art tool. Apple's pencil out of all things seems to emulate traditional pencil best in that aspect, but it comes with a bunch of downsides.
>>5785 >>5786 You should be able to draw from an angle if you 3Dprint an alternative handle. I've seen it once on a twitter, looked something like pic related but obviously for styluses.
>>5786 >Extra Large Those are the holy grail but you just can't find them easily. I bought one on Ebay early last year but unfortunately it didn't work and I had to return it. It was a bit too huge, tbh. There's a bigger size difference between the Large and the Extra Large than exists between the Small to Medium or Medium to Large and it's by a substantial margin. Something incrementally bigger than the current Intuos Large models would be great, but the XL is massive. It wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't an additional 5.3x6.2in. of inactive area on top of how big it already is I recommend either an Intuos 3, 4 or 5 L; they are all very reasonably priced online
>>5787 >>5788 Thanks for more information. Tablet arrived few days ago, and it's much better experience than the one from years ago. The surface is large enough to make use of the full arm pretty convenient and natural and I haven not been tempted to use my wrist. Still, >>5787 is a good idea if I will ever need it. I can see how it could be cheaply jury-rigged using on old pencil, paper clip or other wire, and some duct tape. Now i need to get used to the tablet. Speaking of it, does anyone have any tips? All if could find and think of is: >write the alphabet >draw lines and basic shapes >draw random dots and connect them >stop using a mouse and use the tablet instead I tried all of them, and am slowly getting used to it. Last one was surprisingly easy, but I do not have issues making dots accurately. What's a bigger problem is making a long, smooth line and completing it where I want to. For the time being I have been thinking of starting my sketches on paper and finishing them up digitally. I suppose that tracing my own stuff could be helpful too.
>>5836 >rigging something weird I wouldn't bother with that, just get to the tablet how it's designed. You have the "write" idea when it comes to helping develop control, but-and I mention this course extremely often-the Peter Han Dynamic Sketching course on youtube is the absolute best means of developng your manual dexterity quickly. I would use traditional media for this as instructed in the video (he recommends a Staedtler or other felt-tip pen; I think a mechanical pencil is probably ok though) but it will translate to your new tablet well. Also don't make it so you never use your wrist, it's not against the rules or something (and it's definitely valid for very small strokes and hatching, still) just enjoy the ability to activate your elbow and shoulder and make generous use of that new ability as needed.
>>5842 >get to the tablet >get to the choppa *get used to the tablet I meant
Is it feasible to use a tablet on your lap if you don't have the desk space for it?
>>5962 I believe some people do this-but personally I think it's worth designing your working area around the tablet if that makes sense. Having it on your lap is super unwieldy especially if you're using one of the larger models. I use a cheap Ikea table top with inexpensive adjustable legs as a desk https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/lagkapten-tabletop-black-brown-80487016/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/adils-leg-black-70217973/
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Finally made an infographic with an objective portrayal of various tablet inputs, I hope it keeps people from making the same mistakes I had in the past. >Graphire 3

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