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Am I the only one who feels the Steam Deck was announced too early? Anonymous 08/31/2021 (Tue) 01:34:37 Id: bd577b No. 403213
The Steam Deck was announced too early in my opinion. Yes it was smart of them to basically ride off the disappointment of the Nintendo Switch OLED, and any smart business would've likely done the same. However most people are gonna will likely have to wait till 2022 for their device, this in turn will make people who can't wait pay over double maybe even triple the price for a new or used Steam Deck. I'm hoping that Valve is able to sort everything out before December or at least delay the December units to early 2022, mainly so they can get their supply in order so they can ship out as many units as possible. However another another issue Valve has is "hype flow", I'm sure I don't need to explain the concept of "hype flow", but I'll do it anyway. Normally companies like Nintendo and Capcom as an example, hold back information in order to ramp up interest over time, and make sure people don't forget about the game, by keeping their attention as long as possible. It's why Smash Bros sells as well as it does, because normalfags are always constantly guessing and speculating information about the game, thus keeping the game in the spotlight and in turn keeping it relevant. That said the Steam Deck isn't a game like say Smash Bros or a VS game where you can hold back information to get people more excited for the product, it's a portable PC with better performance than anything on the market, for a much lower price. We basically already know everything about the Steam Deck, despite the launch being more than six months away for most people who are gonna try and wait till after the Holidays to get one. Launch games won't be anything special either, since it's just going to be everything available on PC. I don't see third party developers or even Valve themselves taking advantage of the extra features of the Steam Deck via Steam Input at launch. Support for the unique functions of the device, such as touch, motion, trackpads, R4/R5, etc. will likely come a year after the Steam Deck has launched, and will likely be a niche market unless Valve makes a Steam Controller 2 or a hollow version of the Steam Deck made so you can take advantage of the unique feature set of the Steam Deck on a traditional PC, which is fine, but not something that'll happen during the first year of the Steam Deck's lifespan. In any case, I think Valve's biggest issue is one of supply, they clearly can't meet the demand for the device, and have basically admitted as much by saying that "they would like competition in the space". However even with all these problems, the Steam Deck will likely be the biggest item of the Holiday season and beyond. That said, if they're able to over come said logistics, they'll likely revolutionize the handheld gaming space into something completely different. However I can see the hype dying down come Q2 2022 when people start getting upset over the lack of supply, from Valve not being able to meet the demand, therefore diminishing said demand in the process. Closing out, I'd like to ask /v/ this, "Do you think the Steam Deck should've been announced later in the year? or was taking advantage of Nintendo's incompetence the best way to help promote the Steam Deck to the masses".
>another Steam deck thread Please kill yourself
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>>403214 >2 steam deck threads in 2 months
Do you watch those eta prime youtube videos? What about all those portable windows controllers from other brands? How are they compare to the steamy dick?
>>403221 The last one was a cyclical that stayed on the front page of catalog for way longer than it had any right to, nothing but shilling and cuckchanners as far as the eye could see >>403218 Your post is formatted utterly like a marketing survey The fact that you're "hopeful" on behalf of a cancerous company like Valve who has already been showing their true colors for years tells me you're an ignorant buffoon at best and either a shill or a valve employee at worst
>>403225 What the fuck are you talking about
>>403224 From what I've seen, the Steam Deck is running a next gen APU with RDNA2 cores rather than VEGA cores giving it a significant boost in performance, at least according to one example seen in a video comparing it with the OG Aya Neo. >>403228 He's probably accusing me of being a Valve employee. I WISH I could work for Valve, but alas I am a NEET looking for a job. Such is life.
I don't know, it seems like Steam hopped into the market a little too late considering the Switch absolutely conquered it for the past 3-4 years. I still don't understand what the appeal of a bunch of PC games on a handheld console is but I'm one of those autists who always prefers using mouse and keyboard instead of a gamepad whenever possible.
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>>403213 I think Valve did a fine job all things considered, while they believed in the quality of the product themselves. They had no actual way of knowing just how hot of an item it would instantly become until they actually announced it. It's clear as soon as reservations went live it had to of blown their expectations out of the water since it was practically crashing Steams servers with how huge the traffic was of people trying to reserve theirs. The main thing that pisses people off with the lack of supply of PS5's, is the fact Scalpers buy all the stock so people who actually want one, can't just simply buy it for what it costs. But for the Steam Deck it's a fairly simply process, You reserved yours, and you'll get yours when you're reservation is ready to order. While it's impossible to get rid of Scalpers 100%, at the very least Valve Tried to make it so you needed an already existing verified Steam Account to make a reservation at all. so that had to of prevented a decent amount of burner accounts being made for the sake of Scalping. It's better then Sony and the like clearly not giving a fuck about Scalpers at all. The only Scalpers who are going to be able to get a Steam Deck at all are going to have needed to be previously existing ones, and probably would have been blindsided and unprepared for such a thing, it was a smart move on Valves part. As for what else you said, you're really over thinking the appeal of the Steam Deck, Nobody actually gives a fuck about ANY of that admittedly neat stuff it can do, to the Vast majority of people it's as simple as Variations of the phrase >"I can play "-----" portability? Sold." As soon as it comes out Jewtubers will do the advertising for Free, Valve doesn't need to do anything now accept insure it's actually able to do what they say it can. >>403237 If you're preferred method is M&K I can understand not seeing it, but this is the kind of system that's the wet dream of anyone who had a gameboy growing up, it's a modern day Sega Nomad. The simple act of playing your games in a handled fashion with "almost" no compromises. It's also the same idea as the underwhelmingly sold Steam Box, but this time it has an actually compelling selling point. There was no Reason to get a Steam Box over building your own Gaming PC, There is absolutely a reason to choose a Steam Deck over a Gaming Laptop, You can play the Steam Deck anywhere you want you can hand it to someone and show them any game you want on it, and it having the same standard controls as any modern day controller, any normal Fag will be able to understand the appeal. If I wanted to Show my Uncle Max Payne 1 that he played on the OG Xbox, on the Steam Deck that in and of itself will impress him, but then I can show him Max Payne 3, a game he probably doesn't even know exists, and that will impress him even more, and that game's from 2012, I can then Show him Yakuza Kiwami 2 or Batman Arkham Knight and blow his fucking mind since he hasn't played games since the original Xbox. You can show someone who actually has Taste Good games like Nioh, or Wonderful 101. You can show a Normal Fag GTA5 or Overwatch, and they'll instantly be sold. You can Show a Child a Sonic game and they'll want one. The appeal of the product is universal, so long as you're fine with playing on Controller, I mean you could talk about how their are Gyro controls to make the Fine Aiming much better then just standard Control Stick aiming, but most people will only "Get that" when they have it in their hands.
>>403295 >The appeal of the product is universal, so long as you're fine with playing on Controller, Wouldn't it just be cheaper to buy a Logitech controller instead?
>>403295 >this many random word capitalizations You some kind of phone posting faggot, or just not from around here? Probably both considering this thread
>>403213 >Do you think the Steam Deck should've been announced later in the year? This is one step lower than asking: Do you think the Steam Deck should have had more colorful options? Every douche with a steam account with 400 plus game backlog is going to buy this. They do not even need to compete with the Switch it is really for the loser in Tennessee who still plays TF2 thinking he is great sniping 12 year olds in death match who are playing only because it is free.
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>>403237 >I still don't understand what the appeal of a bunch of PC games on a handheld console is You can play it on the go. The only problem is that the retards that think this have NEVER actually PLAYED console games on the go. Or on a screen much smaller than was originally designed. Ask anyone one of them of what they thought about playing PS1 games on a PSP compared to a regular PS1/PS2/PS3 hooked up to the TV? Or playing Wii (U) games on the gamepad compared to a TV? Or playing DOS games on their 4" smartphone screen compared to an actual computer?
It's too expensive, it competes with the Switch but will probably cost just as much as the PS5/XSX with the unreleased dock. Valve is severely overselling the capabilities of the Proton compatibility layer, I've already been using it for 2 years and half the games are broken, especially japanese titles which tend to use proprietary windows video/audio codecs, Nioh still doesn't fucking work. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues It's too expensive, it competes with the Switch but will probably cost just as much as the PS5/XSX with the unreleased dock. Valve is severely overselling the capabilities of the Proton compatibility layer, even going as far as to promise that -all- of your steam games are going to work on it. I've already been using it for 2 years and half the games are still broken, especially japanese titles which tend to use proprietary windows video/audio codecs, Nioh still doesn't fucking work. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues All in all, I think Valve's plan here is to provide life support to the crypto inflated PC market, the lack of supply and teething issues suggest that this is just an attempt to stop gamers from jumping ship to more affordable consoles.
>>403306 He is a cold motherfucker to be standing there spewing all that shit as confident as he did.
>>403310 > this is just an attempt to stop gamers from jumping ship to more affordable consoles. You mean like every single platform that came out prior to the past decade?
>>403300 I just have a bad habit with the way I type, it has nothing to do with me not being from around here, just that I'm pretty much self taught on how to type with a keyboard since it was all memorizing the keys, and not actually learning the way you're supposed to in school, I'v always been shit at grammar and such and if it wasn't for spell check my posts would be impossible to read. I don't realize i'm doing these kinds of things until it's pointed out to me, then I try and catch myself.
>>403316 Valve's attempt is half-assed at best, this doesn't feel any different from their last attempt with the Steam Machines, except this time they learned to make their own hardware instead, the hubris is still there.
>>403310 >It's too expensive, it competes with the Switch but will probably cost just as much as the PS5/XSX with the unreleased dock. It's neither competing with the switch nor is it competing with consoles. It's competing with laptops, and laptop manufacturers have to pay out the ass for software licenses which in turn marks up the laptops and diminishes their price to performance ratios. Meanwhile Valve can get away with selling their devices at a borderline loss because they guarantee steady profit after every single sale. >Valve is severely overselling the capabilities of the Proton compatibility layer, even going as far as to promise that -all- of your steam games are going to work on it. I've already been using it for 2 years and half the games are still broken, especially japanese titles which tend to use proprietary windows video/audio codecs, Nioh still doesn't fucking work. True, they're making promises I doubt they'll be able to keep. But an interesting thing of note is that with proton you can apply AMD's FSR to any game regardless of support. Might be a huge help in running games on a 1080p monitor using the device in desktop mode. Before I thought it would be impossible to do anything but 720p gaming but after tinkering with FSR my mind is changed. But if Valve doesn't go fucking hard on WINE for the next 8 months the device launch will be a fucking mess. I share your struggle about Nioh, been wanting to try that for awhile. There are a lot of unique elements at play that could shake up the industry, but it's all speculation. It could trigger developers to double check their games and fuck with them so they work over proton, or it could not.
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>>403299 I don't get how describing the appeal of this thing is so difficult to you anons. Yeah you could just get a gaming Laptop, but when you show someone a gaming laptop, they see a Laptop with a controller pugged into it, and that's just a clunky thing to use on the go, have you tried actually using a laptop, on you're lap? It may be called a laptop, but it's a shit way of using it. Meanwhile you can play the Steam Deck, as a Gameboy/PSP or you can dock it into a TV, like the Switch. and yeah you can plug a Laptop into a TV as well, but even though it's not hard to do, a Normal Fag will find it a pain in the ass. This thing's marketability isn't about being the superior way of playing games. it's about being the most Streamlined. You buy the thing, You log into/make a Steam account, You pick the game you want, You play it No controllers to plug in, no finding or downloading the steam client, No messing with wires to plug it into a TV or monitor, unless you bought the dock for that purpose. This thing is for Stupid and or Lazy People who think PC gaming is too complicated to get into, or people who already use Steam a shit load. It takes Steam and turns it into a console interface that Normal Fags already understand, that's the point of Big Picture mode after all. The Steam Box tried to do this but the Niche it tried to fill was retarded. Portable gaming isn't Niche, You tell someone they can play any game they want in the palms of their hands, That's all you need to say. It's a Gameboy that plays GTA5. of course that doesn't appeal to an anon here but GTA5 sold 150 million copies. I'm not trying to be a shill here, i'm just talking basic business understanding here. It doesn't matter if you like it. your not the ones who are going to be buying Steam Games on this thing.
>>403230 > I WISH I could work for Valve You really don't, the inside is a nightmare.
>>403321 I honestly can't think of many PC games, either native or console ports, that I would want to play on a screen that small. And the form factor just looks odd to me. I had the same feeling about the WiiU and I have it about the Switch as well. With the switch you at least have the option of removing the control wings and can reform them into the retardoggo controller.
>>403213 The Steam Deck is a complete mistake and it'll fail just like Steam Machines did. It's pointless to try and appeal to pc gamers. In the end, all pc gamers care about is getting a high end rig with powerful GPUs / CPUs. A handheld with wimpy Ryzen 3 3100 and shitty RTX 1050 isn't gonna cut it. Pc gamers are also bemoaning that the Deck's screen is only 720p. It's tiny compared to their 1440p or higher 32" monitors. Plus, the analog sticks and buttons are more like a console controller. If you wanna play a game made for k&m, it'll be awkward to hook up a keyboard and mouse to a tiny screen. And it comes installed with SteamOS, Valve's Linux-based crappy meme OS. Not to mention that if any part breaks, the Deck is similar to gaming laptops in that replacing it won't be as easy as a desktop. I don't know who this niche handheld is designed for, but it certainly isn't for pc gamers. At least the nintendo Switch has exclusives to entice consumers with, and the console gamer audience is already conditioned to accept weak hardware like this. But for pc gamers, they have no reason to buy a Deck. It has no "exclusives" to speak of (Steam libraries, pc games, and emulators could all be played a on a better desktop), and the Deck's shitty hardware is not worth buying when pc gamers could easily go for a more powerful rig.
>>403319 >It's neither competing with the switch nor is it competing with consoles. <Entire gimmick behind the system is to play game on the go with a built in controller >It's competing with laptops <Mouse and keyboard not included Even then, are netbooks still a thing? >Meanwhile Valve can get away with selling their devices at a borderline loss because they guarantee steady profit after every single sale. <Meanwhile Valve is moving their offices to New Zealand due to possible tax evasion >But an interesting thing of note is that with proton you can apply AMD's FSR to any game regardless of support. <Anon previously pointed out that Proton is complete bullshit <One would have better game compatibility with W7 or WINE >There are a lot of unique elements at play that could shake up the industry <The industry's biggest problem is that game's haven't progressed anyone in more than a decade while tech prices and requirements are skyrocketing without reason >It could trigger developers to double check their games <PC devs have spit upon consumers and just told them to buy newer hardware if they game doesn't run <Piss The Fifth and SexBox owners are being told to just buy the latest unit to solve all their problems With the way you're talking, you make it seem like Valve is a major player in the industry when the only thing Valve has control over is PC gaming, and that control is ever slipping. Especially with how people are tired of the current direction of gaming. >>403321 >Yeah you could just get a gaming Laptop >a controller pugged into it Where does this happen? All the games I played on my laptop required my to only buy a wireless mouse. >This thing is for Stupid and or Lazy People who think PC gaming is too complicated to get into More like gullible retards who care about "muh graphics" for a 7" screen. >>403325 >And the form factor just looks odd to me. I had the same feeling about the WiiU and I have it about the Switch as well. The problem with the Wii U gamepad is that it's too damn wide, but it does eventually grow on you. The Switch, however, is just both too wide AND too thin. Even with what I've tried with the Lite models, I'm afraid the system is going to snap in my hands if I exert the slightest bit of force.
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>>403326 >>403327 Again, You fucking Autists are thinking WAY TOO HARD ABOUT THIS. The market for this thing isn't for people who want to play shit at 4K 120FPS with a M&K. It's for people who want to play something like Sonic Adventure 2, or mainline Kingdom Hearts on handled.
>>403327 <Mouse and keyboard not included Since when do you need a mouse and keyboard to use a laptop? You're the kind of anon that is clearly completely disconnected from how the average user interfaces with computers in the current year if you think that has any bearing on anything. >Even then, are netbooks still a thing? Netbooks don't ship witch custom RDNA 2 APU's being sold at a loss. <Meanwhile Valve is moving their offices to New Zealand due to possible tax evasion Uh okay? <Anon previously pointed out that Proton is complete bullshit <One would have better game compatibility with W7 or WINE >or WINE Alright I'm just going to stop reading there. If you don't know that WINE and proton are the exact same thing then you shouldn't even be trying to have this conversations. Holy fuck dude. I hope this is bait.
>>403328 > It's for people who want to play something like Sonic Adventure 2 You can already do that with Nintendont and a hacked Wii U. >or mainline Kingdom Hearts on handled. Birth By Sleep? Dream Drop Distance?
>>403329 >Since when do you need a mouse and keyboard to use a laptop Are you this fucking retarded?
>>403330 >You can already do that with Nintendont and a hacked Wii U Do you not comprehend how few people actually understand that hacked consoles exist? >Birth By Sleep? Dream Drop Distance? NO! Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. Why the fuck would someone choose to play Brith or DDD, if they can play KH2. >>403331 you are the fucking retard, Laptops has trackpads, That's what people use, most people don't plug in a mouse. How are you this unaware of how a normal goddamn person thinks.
>>403332 Good luck playing your first person shooters with a trackpad, bruh.
>>403332 > Do you not comprehend how few people actually understand that hacked consoles exist? <Companies have been using piracy to improve sales <Gaben even said that Steam was built to make buying games easier than it is to pirate them > Why the fuck would someone choose to play Brith or DDD Because they're part of the story to Kingdom Hearts and use the same gameplay.
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>>403335 >>403333 How are you fucking idiots missing my point this much. You guys may call them normal fags to try and feel superior to them, but right now you're being equally fucking Retarded. More people play FPS games on Console then PC, Most people Don't use a fucking mouse for gaming unless they have too. <Companies have been using piracy to improve sales <Gaben even said that Steam was built to make buying games easier than it is to pirate them That's in the case for competent tech savvy PC gamers who actually understand how to Pirate something, The Days of that being the majority in PC gaming are long gone at least in Countries like America, I'm sure countries where they vastly overcharge for games still favor Piracy, but the Deck isn't even launching in places like that yet. Steam has been around a long fucking time at this point, Yeah there are allot of people who Pirate, but nowadays there are more then enough people who actually pay for shit that Companies don't actually need to worry about Piracy unless they're paranoid and are still using Denuvo, and even then people try and make Normal Fags understand why Denuvo is bad, but they don't care to them it makes no difference since they're buying the game anyway. >Because they're part of the story to Kingdom Hearts and use the same gameplay. I'm talking about KH2 clearly being the best game in the god damn series, people will only play Birth or DDD once, just to get the full picture, but people who actually just want to play the game they actually love from the Series, who aren't Story Autists, will just paly KH 1 or 2.
>>403213 >Closing out, I'd like to ask /v/ this, "Do you think the Steam Deck should've been announced later in the year? or was taking advantage of Nintendo's incompetence the best way to help promote the Steam Deck to the masses". Do you guys remember the SteamVR? Or maybe the SteamMachine? Or the SteamLink? Or the Steam controllers? If yes, then you know what it'll happen like the rest of em. It's a good novelty at first, then people just kinda forgot about them and into the dustbin of history they go. Valve literally can't be expected to do anything right on deadline so they don't give a fuck if a thing they have fail since they have infinite funds to pump money into. Until Steam somehow gets outcompeted (which is a pipe dream pun intended since the other decent competitor, GOG, only have a niche market when compared to Steam's wide mass appeal) Valve will put million into projects without any foresight. Good Fucking Riddance
>>403342 >More people play FPS games on Console then PC, Most people Don't use a fucking mouse for gaming unless they have too. Playing FPS games with a k&m is miles better than a console controller. It's not even funny how superior it is. Look. Go ahead and buy your Deck paperweight, shill. Download Team Fortress 2 and try to play with the Deck's analog sticks and buttons. Go see how quickly you'll get your shit kicked in when you try to play against other players who use k&m.
>>403331 >doesn't know wine and proton are the same thing >legitimately can't comprehend how people can compute without a mouse and keyboard Man you're a real character aren't you.
>>403213 >to basically ride off the disappointment of the Nintendo Switch OLED the sole people who got disappointed by the Switch OLED were the gullible idiots who believed to the end about the hypothetical Pro model rumors from Bloomberg, despite all the proofs that pointed out the contrary >>403328 >>403332 >>403342 Lad, the thing is only available within Steam, not among third-party retailers, which mean the average person will not even be aware about the existence of the system. People also prefer consoles for the sheer convenience and not mess around with PC troubleshooting, which will inherently happen in the Steam Deck if they want to play a specific game on the Linux OS or install Windows for the better game compatibility (which could screw up some in-built features of the Deck but that's up to be seen). There is a japanese post from 5chan back then that summed it up pretty well >一般人はSwitch、マニアはsteam deck、統失はPS5。しっかり住み分けできたな >Switch for normal people, Steam Deck for enthusiasts, PS5 for schizos. I could properly classify them
>>403354 >Playing FPS games with a k&m is miles better than a console controller. It's not even funny how superior it is. What he is trying to say, is that normalfags, which are the vast majority of "gamers", have shit tastes, play FPS with a controller, pre-order the latest hyped game, and has shit taste in general. Those people, are hyped for the SteamDeck, not you and me. What 32610f is trying to say, is that while you and me have no interest in it, a vast majority of normalfags want to play AssCreed on the go, even if it's on a small screen with passable controls. You can call them retarded all you want, they will still buy it, evidence is that Steam crashed, because of too many people visiting it to preoder the latest portable not-console. Talking with some anons, is like someone explaining why normalfags would buy an Xbone(which all exclusive games come on PC), and the only reply is "yeah, but playing games on PC is better", true, yet people still buy an Xbone.
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Most people who play games nowadays are FUCKING STUPID, people in general are FUCKING STUPID. You are all looking at this from the perspective of people who have smelt the industries bullshit for Years, most people are NOT like you. That's why you're fucking HERE! People DON'T Remember the days when the games industry couldn't quite fuck them in the ass as much yet, People don't remember the days before DLC, There are people playing games who weren't Born before DLC came into existence. I'v talked with my Brother on this topic before, His Friends who play Destiny 2 are Fucking idiots that don't know Good games existed, and one of them didn't even play Halo. He's encountered Kids playing the AVP 2010 game's multiplayer that thought the 2004 AVP film was "The Original Movie" that introduced the Aliens and Predators. Someone in my Friends group unironically buys Fortnight V Bucks to buy shit in the game even though they played Fortnight enough to actually earn that shit without paying. My brothers Destiny 2 Friend buys the shortest Season Pass time frame bases and didn't understand he could have saved money buying the longer timeframe pass. THIS IS HOW STUPID THE AVARGE PERSON IS= My Brothers friend wants to buy a Steam Deck so he can play Destiny 2 at Work, these are the kind of people who Play Video games. >>403354 This isn't a debate on superiors gameplay methods you fucking retard. I'm talking about the Normal Fags who are going to buy the Steam Deck because they're simple minded, and don't care about "what's Superior" only what's convenient I'm am NOT SHILLING ANYTHING you guys asked who would possibly buy this thing, I'M FUCKING TELLING YOU WHO IS GOING TO BUY IT! I don't play TF2, I play Killer7 on Keyboard and Mouse, I play the Journeyman Project, I play DMC1 and Emulated Yakuza 2 PS2, I'm not talking about myself! >>403360 Thank god, someone with an actual brain who can make a point that makes sense. My main thing talking about how the Steam Deck will get popular after the fact when it's shown off in Jewtube videos trying to cash in on it's success >>403367 Yes this is my point. I didn't think my points would get so misconstrued.
>>403371 >This isn't a debate on superiors gameplay methods you fucking retard. It matters to casuals who like Call of Duty and Halo. Analog sticks might be passable if you're just playing singleplayer FPS games. But the moment these Deck owners try to play any multiplayer FPS pc games against other pc gamers, they're gonna get destroyed. If casuals want to enjoy multiplayer FPS games (call of duty, halo, etc) while using a controller, they're better off getting an Xbox Series X or a PS5. They won't face any k&m players since most xbox/playstation console gamers will be using controllers too. Equal footing, at least.
>>403385 >But the moment these Deck owners try to play any multiplayer FPS pc games against other pc gamers, they're gonna get destroyed. Not that I can fault anyone for not knowing this since I sure hope no anons play modern shooters, but you're actually completely off base there. The modern shooters all have controller aim assist in multiplayer on PC and in virtually every single game it's in it's completely broken a huge point of controversy. Controller aim assist is so broken that in some games pro keyboard and mouse players just switched to controller to compete better. Sure if they're playing one of the few modern shooters that doesn't have aim assist for controller enabled they might struggle, but those would be rare for the kinds of games normalniggers play. Even the games you just listed, CoD/Halo, are notorious for their absolutely fucking insane aim assist. In Halo it's disgustingly fucking broken. You're literally just handicapping yourself by playing with a mouse in multiplayer Halo.
>>403385 Maybe that's the case for Call of Duty wouldn't know, but People who play Halo MCC on PC have a significant advantage when they use controllers due to Aim assets, in Close and Midrange combat, If you played with Mouse, and then switched to controller you'd Feel how strong it is. The only time someone on Mouse has an advantage in Halo on PC, is when your using the Sniper and you can fire it like the Rail Gun from Quake without needing to zoom in. Controllers don't get Aim assets unless they're zooming with a sniper, so that's the only time It's actually just raw aiming, it remains to be scene if the newest halo with by any different when it comes to Mouse vs Controller. Also now there is Crossplay for Halo and CoD so Controller players get matched with other Controller players anyway.
>>403391 >>403394 I don't think aim assist is gonna help Deck players much. Playing on a small 7 inch 720p screen will make it harder to see enemies and things, as opposed to a larger monitor or tv. And the Deck has a cheap shitty GPU / CPU. You'll have to play on the lowest graphics setting, because anything higher will cause modern games to start lagging and dropping framerates. Especially online, in hectic multiplayer FPS modern games. At that point... why even pay for 4K-capable steam games at all for a tiny handheld that can only play them at 720p and low settings. It's a legit waste of money for a subpar experience. Even tablets these days can offer 1080p or higher, so it's not like casualfag standards haven't risen in the past decade.
Too early implies it should have been announced at all.
Man I legit miss these kinds of discussions since console wars died in 2013. Am just glad deck is atleast providing a new hardware to talk about. For OP, my prediction is steam deck will sell okayish, make a tidy profit for valve, won't reach switch or xbone2 levels so anons will call it a failure, people will be keeping and modding it for long time, linux gaming increasing. It won't be "revolutionary" or reach that much mainstream like many hype train say, but those who own it will like it and be satisfied. That's all a product needs to do unlike many who want it to redefine gaming. Im wondering will devs try to lower system requirements of new games to be able to run well on it? Its a cycle - devs needs deck to be successful enough to develop games around it; deck won't be successful if the new games don't run well in it >>403436 OP means announcing it just couple of weeks before actual shipping dates to keep the hype train from slowing
Nigger they had multiple planned waves with one set release around christmas. This also isn't even mentioned that the (actually) portable pc market is a bunch of borderline criminally overpriced shitware handhelds with fucking intel dual cores. It'd be fun if it was the steambox situation again but clearly they know what they're fucking doing, which is why they sold through all of their production waves through Q2 2022. >Launch games It's a pc you retard.
>>403427 >And the Deck has a cheap shitty GPU / CPU. It's as powerful as a 15W gaming system can be, the 88GB/s of memory bandwidth is quite impressive, OEMs and hardware manufacturers love their margins too much to give up something like that for cheap. >>403438 >Im wondering will devs try to lower system requirements of new games to be able to run well on it? Its a cycle - devs needs deck to be successful enough to develop games around it; deck won't be successful if the new games don't run well in it Most likely you'll see a hard split between developing games for Switch 2(2023?)/Deck and PS5/XBX. Unlike in 2013 both Sony and Microsoft have good hardware this time. If a dev decides to take advantage of the 8c/16t CPU and SSD, then trying to port down to a system that has half the cores at 2/3 the clock rate and uses microSD cards for expandable storage is pointless.
>>403438 This. Normalfags that do decide to get it will get it for form factor and ease of playing while away from home, especially if they have a lot of Steam games. I think you will also have a subset of enthusiast that love it after hacking to run things not through Steam. Their main complaints would probably be for games that K&M aren't optional for. Anons that constantly shit on normalfags because no one will see the point are always in front of their main computer.
>>403496 Also, 10 year olds.
>>403496 >after hacking to run things not through Steam. It's just a mini-PC with Linux installed on it. From what I was told, if you truly wish for some reason, you can install Windows 10 on it with Epic Games client, or just pirate all the games you want. This isn't a garden-walled system, like the Switch or PS5.
>>403501 Also, you can just straight up use the included plasma desktop to install wine and dxvk through either their repos or the AUR
>>403501 Portable form factor.
>>403506 What do you mean by that?
>>403508 Misparsed part of what you were saying, disregard I suck cocks. I mostly was saying people would want to hack it with whatever they want because it has form factor the average player can't easily get anywhere else with decent specs. Lot of spergs here somehow don't understand form factor's one of the reasons people would buy this. Or are fucking with that one anon.
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>>403451 Honestly don't get why some of you anons are so aggressively unwilling to just look at this stupid fucking thing and speculate about how it will do. >it will flop That's what some of you have ignorantly been going on and on about saying, not understanding that the thing was already a success the day it was announced. It's like >>403438 said I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm looking forward to getting one of the Steam Decks, because when I was younger I'd see things like Keith Apicary holding a portable gamecube in a video in 2010, and my mind would think about the possibilities. I naïvely had the assumption that as technology got better Companies would put out portable versions of their older hardware that was able to play the physical copies of games you had, so they were still supporting the decades of older games that exist. but obviously that never fucking happened since Corporations only care about you buying new shit. so when I look at the Steam Deck I see the exact thing I wanted 12 years ago. a potable controller with a screen I can play Gamecube and PS2 games on. That's all I honestly give a shit about. And that's the only reason I'm speculating it's going to be a success, because it should be simple product to do what you want with it.
>>403574 >so when I look at the Steam Deck I see the exact thing I wanted 12 years ago. a potable controller with a screen I can play Gamecube and PS2 games on. This is also my expectation for the Steam Deck, which might be a bit lofty but it'll be the best portable Warriors/Basara system we have.
>>403576 Battery life might be at a spot for difficulty, but if the APU they're sticking in it performs to what I believe it should, there really shouldn't be an issue playing either system at native resolution on it.
>>403577 Native resolution of the steam deck, to clarify
>>403577 >>403578 Right and right, battery is probably going to be the Achilles heel for the system.
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Apparently it comes with a virtual keyboard
>>403581 It's probably the long awaited rework of the steam OSK, one that doesn't need big picture launched to avoid having steam crash
>>403581 I wouldn't have expected a built in one, to be honest. What about ports? Can I connect a usb/ps2 KB&M and play with those? Kind of defeats the purpose since it has to be portable but might as well ask.
>>403583 Standard usb C port, you can grab just any of those dongles to plug whatever you want into it. No OTG shit either, which is nice.
>>403230 But those windows handhelds can still play new games fine, I don't see why this one is so special?
>>403230 >I WISH I could work at a company where everyone organizes themselves into gay little high school cliques because of a lack of any form of leadership No you don't
>>403629 This is several hundred dollars cheaper and not made by China.
>>403583 Anon it's literally just a computer in a weird form factor. You can connect a 4K TV to the thing, keyboard and mouse, whatever the fuck you can connect to your computer you can connect to the steam dick. You can buy a dock for it and connect it up at your desk when you're home to be used as a desktop computer or media PC then have it be a portable computer when you're out and about.
>>403667 >not made by China Now this is a funny joke
>>404564 It's made in china, and made by america. Something being manufactured in china isn't relevant because virtually everything is manufactured in china.
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2011 /v/ would've shit their fucking pants, if you're in that mindset then this is the best thing ever
>>404566 >irrelevant Maybe if you're a cuck
>>404588 Computer hardware where every single component is manufactured in America literally doesn't exist you fucking retard.
>>403721 Literally just a shitty computer* That's all cucksoles have been for years.
Just use a laptop.
>>404594 Exactly. >>404598 Laptops have the same problem the Steam Deck has. Their cooling sucks, their batteries can only provide a certain performance for a certain number of minutes and the price/performance ration of laptops is dogshit compared to desktops.
>>404568 >2011 /v/ would've shit their fucking pants So? Cuckchanners shit their pants at everything.
>>404594 What is shitty about it? >>404598 >just pay for worse price to performance Why?
>>404638 We were all on cuckchan during 2011, 8chan didn't exist yet.
>>404675 project
>>404594 Except this one is portable
>>404680 What?
>>404688 >>404568 The Idea here seems to be if an anon that either cares or doesn't care about the Portability and that's the deciding factor of if they give a shit about this thing or not. Basically do you want to play portable Yakuza? or no you don't care about portable Yakuza and would rather just play it on you're PC. Like I imagine cranking out some of the stuff that's fun but doesn't require a whole lot of commitment, like the mini game Completion list in Yakuza, or Earth Defense Force, or Super 3-D Noah's Ark. Although I'm curious how Really old games are going to work, something like, Jedi Knight Dark Forces II, not saying that would have great controls on the Deck, but that was an absolute nightmare to get working properly on modern Windows. So how would that process go on Linux?
>>404568 I would've seen it as pointless in 2011 since I think handhelds only work well with simple games rather than attempting to play more detailed games on the toilet.
>>404675 >we No, that shithole was way past gone in 2009
>SteamBoy Aims To Be The Handheld Steam Machine https://archive.vn/86kju https://www.smachz.com/en/ >The worlds first Win10 Slider Candy Bar Handheld Game Console http://web.archive.org/web/20210104025419/https://www.gpd.hk/gpdwin3 >Alienware’s Concept UFO prototype imagines a gaming PC that’s shaped like a Nintendo Switch
>>404801 >>Alienware’s Concept UFO prototype imagines a gaming PC that’s shaped like a Nintendo Switch Forgot the link: https://archive.vn/U5qMA
>>404801 >the steamdeck is so guaranteed to fail giant companies are copying it before it's even been released I sure do look forward to the cope this produces.
>>404808 >The Steam Deck is such a guaranteed concept that clones were already being announced up to FIVE YEARS BEFORE Valve even advertised the concept themselves. Fixed that for you.
>>404823 You know, just as a quick side note, did you remember oh, months before the htc vive came out and valve had discussed with prospective partners about creating affordable headsets for consumers, and literally a few months after that meeting had gone shitty microsoft suddenly had a whole VR thing up and ready out of fucking no where, obviously barring the lighthouse feature, but was including the moderate hand visibility issue that is an unimplemented feature with the index's forward cameras? No?
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And no one is talking about how the buttons and trackpads are positioned. Just take a controller, stretch it wide, put a screen in middle. This thing looks better ergonomics than any other on market.
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>>404801 >>404823 This was an evolving concept in 2011. The only reason the PSVita Crashed and burned as hard as it did was because Sony seemed to think they could still profit against piracy, IF they made up the difference by overcharging for Memory Cards. A decision that blew up in their face when everyone saw through it immediately, and collectively told them to go fuck themselves. Apparently the Cards are still ridiculously expensive to this day, on paper there really wasn't any reason people wouldn't have wanted an even more powerful PSP with Duel Thumbsticks, they just managed to find a way to fuck it up. Say what you will about Valve, but at the very least there is nothing stopping you from buying the Cheapest version of the Deck and putting in your own microSD Cards. The key to long time success isn't treating the customer like a criminal to trick into being forced to give you money. It's getting the customer to like you, and wanting to give you money willingly. It's getting the customer to think they are morally good for supporting you, because they could be supporting someone immoral. It doesn't matter what Valve has actually done, like basically popularizing the addictive Loot box craze with TF2 and CS:GO (That probably actually started with Fifa 09's Ultimate team I think, but that's neither hear nor there) That needed to eventually have laws put in place to stop it, when it got to EA Star Wars Battlefront 2 (Although that might have happened without valve, they still did the same thing) All that maters is what they've done currently, People forgot about Paid Mods since they at least had the common sense to ditch that shit quick. So long as Valve is smart enough to let people forget about their bullshit, people will, and now they've put out a product that they told people, you are aloud to do what ever the fuck you want with it when you get it, since it doesn't matter how many people actually use it for piracy or even buying shit from the Epic Games Store. There are enough people with Zealot dedication to Steam that they will buy this thing, because of how big their investment in Steam already is, and other people who may have never used Steam will see that this thing has the capacity to play games ranging from the 1970's to Now, so plenty of people will see the utility and convenience in that, and statistically enough of them will actually buy shit with Steam as well. Even if people only bought the Cheapest model, the profit from a few Steam games already makes up the difference. Valve is a cooperation like any other but they're are at least smart enough to not let them selves be viewed as "The Bad guys" The model of giving people what they want with "No Strings Attached" works. Only reason why Nintendo can get away with bullshit ludicrous bullshit is because they're Disney essentially, in their own way they're able to give people what they want.
>>404860 >Say what you will about Valve, but at the very least there is nothing stopping you from buying the Cheapest version of the Deck and putting in your own microSD Cards. There's nothing stopping you from installing SteamOS on another device either. They're giving you complete agency and that's almost impossible to find these days. I hope with the advancements in RDNA 2 and intel Xe GPU's we can see increasingly smaller Steam devices and hopefully some that are actually pocketable eventually. But a pocketable x86 device might be a bit of an ask.
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>>404862 Yeah Valve said it themselves they hope to see competitors in the market trying to make their own versions of the Steam Machine, since statistically people who buy those will still use Steam on those. Valve doesn't need to create or sell these things themselves to still profit. Microsoft has seen the dominance Steam has on PC so they took the "If you can't beat-em join-em" approach as did EA now, Sure there is still the Microsoft Store, and Origin but it was clearly more profitable to use Steam, even Sony has started dabbling in putting their games on Steam to see what happens. Nintendo are the only ones with the leeway to possibly compete with Steam in some way, but that would result in not much diffrence then the Epic Games Store, only with Epic, people don't even pay for anything, they just take the free games, and go back to using Steam. It would be the same with Nintendo if they put their games on their own PC storefront.
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>>404720 >Basically do you want to play portable Yakuza? No, but if bringing portability into the traditionally home entertainment sphere means that we get more games that quick to get into, aren't bogged down with lengthy unskippable cutscenes, and is easy to shut off at a moment's notice without losing much (or any) progress... then I'm all for it. One of the greatest things about the portable game market was the acknowledgement that when you're playing on the go - you need to design your game around a player who doesn't have all fucking day to sit in one spot and engross themselves in "digital experiences". No, you turn it on - play a few levels - and then go about your business when the train or bus stops or when you have to talk to somebody. The idea of playing your home system games on the go is neat, but those games typically aren't designed to be played in dynamic environments. They're designed for static environments where they can command your full attention.
>>404965 Oh boy can't wait to see in few months a creepshot video of someone playing this on a bus on steamdeck >>404854 Also is nvidia completely out of hardware market? Has mining rig sales filled their pockets
>>404968 Someone playing shitty steam hentai games on the bus. >Also is nvidia completely out of hardware market? Has mining rig sales filled their pockets I believe they're banking on game streaming. Though they ended up fucking up their own game streaming platform by artificially limiting which games you could play on it for no real reason besides vague toothless legal threats. Before you could play your entire steam library with their service but now it's just a selection of games. Though if they acquire ARM I think there's the possibility that in a few years they pump out some fucking insane portable gaming device. They already showed off running games on ARM linux before. It's quite funny that it seems like every major player in gaming right now is moving towards Linux. If linux gets mainstream adoption in its current state we're going to start hearing a lot of crazy shit about retards running random scripts they were sent and getting hacked. Literally no linux distribution has any sort of retard proof "anti-virus" to speak of.
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How will the Steam Dick compete against Nintendo's rumored 2022 Super-Switch said to be running an as-of-yet unannounced Nvidia Lovelace APU based upon epic insider information regarding chip orders? >>403306 Playing emulated SNES games on a hacked 3DS isn't that bad innawoods.
>>405097 Does Nintendo even need a Switch 2 at this point? The not-Pro model still soled a lot, and they have plenty of games coming for it, making a Switch 2 will just divide the playerbase. >inb4 muh better hardware to compete with X company Nintendo hasn't been about better hardware for the last 3 gens(Wii, DS, WiiU, 3DS, Switch) and with the exception of WiiU, they were all financially a success, whereas when they had better hardware than Sony(Gamecube, N64, yes N64 had overall better hardware), the Playstation was a success. Now I am not saying that inferior hardware is a recipe for success, it's just that you don't need the most advanced gaming platform to be a best selling unit.
>>405115 A realistic answer is no, but the chase for "muh Graffix" and wasting of device resources on random bits of rendering technology for percieved fidelity increases largely doesn't account for the fact gaming really hasn't gotten any more complicated than around the 6th generation of consoles.
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>>405118 Sure but Nintendo hasn't cared about muh graphics since the Wii/DS era, they have cared more about gimmicks, but it's a bit more than that. There are some interviews with the devs of the Gamecube, that talked about how when they were designing the shape of it, they wanted it to be easily carried from one room to another or from one house to another, they wanted a home console that was easily portable. They also made so you could connect your GBA to it, and it would act as a second screen for maps or inventory, sure very few games used this feature, but it was there. Then with the WiiU, they went further with this concept, of having a second screen, but that was portable and you could stream your game to it, so while the console was plugged to the TV, you could still play the game from the toilet. Finally they made the Switch, which I would argue was the culmination of their dream from the Gamecube era, this was their end game, and they have reached it. What are they planning to do now? I doubt it will just be a Super Switch, and this is coming from someone who doesn't own one, nor is interested in it(nor am I in the SteamPal), as I can emulate the games.
>>405120 If I had to guess, they've kinda run themselves into a corner with how the switch just physically is, and it's POSSIBLE that they are going to move to some form of attachment that goes inbetween joycons like the ring con, to make up for the fact that touch features on the switch are, mostly, unusable while docked.
>>405097 Thing is Steam Doesn't have to compete directly with Nintendo, and they know this. Sure people will do the whole console war thing, to justify why they are picking one side over the other, but realistically it's already been this way for years. You got Nintendo for playing Nintendo games, then you got one of the others for playing everything else, People used to go on about the Wii-60, since the 360 at launch was clearly better then the PS3, then that's now become the Switch, plus something else. People who are smart enough to think ahead jumped on the PC train a long time ago, since unless a game had a shit PC port it was clearly the best option period, but if people want to play Day one Nintendo games, and don't have the patients to wait for emulators to become perfected they will still buy Nintendo products to play the newest Zelda game. Right now the maket can shift to, The Switch can play New Nintendo games, the Steam Deck can play literally everything else including old Nintendo games that aren't on the Switch.
>>405120 Don't include the Gamecube among Nintendo's gimmicky consoles. The Gamecube is the last non-gimmick console that Nintendo, before they dove into motion controls and tablet controllers.
>>405124 Nintendo saw that the PS2 did better then them even though it was less powerful just because it had a DVD player. They figured out if they wanted to succeed they needed something that set them apart more then just their games, thus they made the Wii Remote, something even you're grandma could understand how to play with. The problem there was They seemed to be hoping the Casual market would go on to start playing Real Video games and not just Waggle shit but they didn't because Wii Sports is good enough for some stupid party shit, and they don't care about actual games. The Wii U failed because Nintendo though keeping the Wii brand name would have been enough to keep the Casuals coming back, but that resulted in most people thinking it was just the Tablet controller and not a new console entirely. The Switch was them being Smart enough to recognize you can't rely on a market of Grandma's who really don't give a fuck, so the better idea would be to just make the Gameboy and the home console the same thing, and not to rock the boat too much with the way controls are used to play the games. If you've seen Skyward Sword HD you'd see they made the Motion controls entirely optional now, even though the whole game is meant to be player with them. The issue for Nintendo now is once the Switch starts having to face a growing market of portable Consoles/PC how are they gonna make their next console stand out? without it being retarded like the Wii U. The logical thing to do at this point which is probably nearing the end of the road for consoles is to just accept that everything is becoming PC's nowadays in one way or another, and just let the PC market actually buy your products instead of making Emulation the only option for those who don't want to buy you're stuff. If Nintendo put out a Nintendo Brand PC the Nintendo fanboys will still buy that too.
>>405124 I wasn't calling the Gamecube a gimmicky console, I was just saying that when they were developing the shape of it, they wanted a console that was easily carried from one room to another, that they wished to have a portable console with the power of a home console, and not just a Gameboy. It's partly why the console had a handle so you could easily move it. Another interesting reason for the handle is this: https://archive.is/wip/XTK7T < What Factors led to the devolpment of the Nintendo GameCube handle? >Befoe I started thinking about the design of the Nintendo GameCube, I did some research to determine how video game systems were used in game players' homes. I discovered that alote of players actually moved the console away from the television and closer to themselves while playing games. Adding a handle to the system makes it easier for players to do this, and it also gives the system a friendly look.
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>>405120 >Then with the WiiU, they went further with this concept, of having a second screen, but that was portable and you could stream your game to it, so while the console was plugged to the TV, you could still play the game from the toilet. That's how that shitbrick was advertised, but in practice the bluetooth chip is made from the brittle bones of Chinese orphans. Every time you get that "Connection Lost" screen, you permanently lose a little connection range, until the Chinese child soul escapes, rendering your Wii U useless.
>>405115 The conspiracy theory behind it is that Nintendo will just continue the Switch line in perpetuity, so in the end it'll be something like >Switch <Switch OLED edition = DS lite/o3DS XL, same hardware with minor differences >SSwitch = Piss4pro, n3DS, DSi, "new" hardware with full backcompat but certain exclusive or enhanced games probably VR shit <SSwitch Auschwitz edition >Switch 2: Tablet boogaloo? >>405134 The handle might've been useful had wireless AV streaming existed in 2001.
>>405141 The entire reason the Steam Deck has a small edge on Nintendo right now is simple because everyone was waiting for the more powerful "Switch Pro" so they can play games that need more power, and with 60fps instead of 30fps and such, There are a decent amount of people who bought the PS4Pro for that. so now the Deck is taking that place for Nintendo. Nintendo clearly doesn't see the need for giving the Switch more Power currently, since they're smart enough to know you don't need all that shit to make a game people will buy, so they choose make it so they profit from every switch sold, and not to selling the Switch at a loss. the Steam Deck is the flip side, they're selling the Cheapest version at least of the Deck at a loss, but they know they can make it up with Steam game sales.
>>405143 >The entire reason the Steam Deck has a small edge on Nintendo right now is simple because everyone was waiting for the more powerful "Switch Pro" so they can play games that need more power, and with 60fps instead of 30fps and such, lol You don't buy a console, even less so a handheld (regardless it is a Switch or a Steam Deck), if framerate is of the utmost importance for you. Normal people also don't give much a shit about framerate unless it's reaching single digit lot of time. That's a characteristic more commonly found among "enthusiasts" which I personally call them plebians if they only swear by 60fps (or above) and can't play games on this criteria alone
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>>405195 What you're saying is true but that's the market of people who made Pics Related the minute the Steam Deck was released. People like taking sides, due to it being basic tribalism. One side wants to say Nintendo is Shit, the other side wants to say Nintendo is unbeatable. They don't see that the actual corporations Don't give a single flying fuck about them, they just want their money. The whole Reason Sega became something that could compete with Nintendo during the Start is because they had the balls to just Say Nintendo was Shit. in comparison to them, now people will do that For the ones who own the Corporations for Free. The best move as one with common sense is to just buy whatever you think you'd enjoy, and then watch the plebs throw shit at each other for side entertainment.
>>405296 wasn't the psp a huge success in Japan though?
>>405298 it was a huge success globally.
>>405298 That the thing Just because the PSVita was a failure for the most part, That makes Nintendo Fanboys arrogant enough to think Nintendo are the only ones who can do Handhelds simply because they are Nintendo, If Sega didn't fuck up Early with CD and 32X attachments, that made people lose faith in them, which eventually made them go 3rd party after the Dreamcast, Sega could still have been making Handhelds that competed with Nintendo, but instead they put Sonic on Both the DS, and the PSP and got the profits from both. Nintendo fans have a warped view of just how untouchable Nintendo is since they conveniently forget the Wii U was a huge flop, despite it having some great games, that are now just on the Swtich. And some "PCMasterRace" fans huff their own Farts too much to understand not everyone is going to go though the effort of learning how to deal with Emulation just to play Nintendo games that probably won't function correctly on Day 1, when they could just buy the product that will actually work on Day 1.
>>405298 The PSP was successful anywhere, just got memoryholed by it's successor's failure and Nintendo momentum.
>>405342 It isn't difficult at all to emulate anything pre WiiU, like, at all. Even a braindead normie should be able to instal an .exe and pirate a rom.
>>405370 You're grossly overestimating the capabilities of the average consumer.
>>405371 Are you telling me the average person doesn't know how to install a program?
>>405372 I am.
>>405372 Not sure if average, but I have seen computer illiterate children aged 11-13 from wealthy families, that only know how to install "apps" from the Google or Mac App store. They don't know how to search on the internet and download an archive, then unzip it, then run the exe, plus if they haven't had a computer in their lives, which can happen even in wealthy families(they only have tablets, smart TVs and consoles), don't even understand the concept of double left click and right click.
>>405378 I suppose those people do exist. Thinking about it more though the actual barrier to entry for emulation is acquiring the roms. Doing so legally requires 1. already having the games, and 2. some technological understanding. Doing so illegally requires browsing through a bunch of garbage pirate sites if you don't understand the emuparadise bypass script.
>>405372 >>405374 It's not so much they Can't use emulators it's the fact they're too lazy to bother even learning what an emulator is, while it's all relatively simple to understand and learn if you just sit down and try, most people don't even want to try. That's where the thought process of the quotes from Gabe Newell comes from. >“The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” Yeah sure Anyone of us can just Pirate shit, and on PC there is barely anything stopping anyone from resorting to Piracy, but Steam is simply More convenient. People will deiced they're time is worth more then their money, so they will pay if it means not having to spend their time learning even the most basic shit about Emulation or Piracy. Back before Steam, Piracy was the faster option then going to a store and buying the disc to put in you're CD, nowadays finding the methods of Piracy is longer then just buying the thing Digitally most of the time.
>>405385 Well you also need to install the emulator, but there are plenty of emulators even on the App Store, so phone users could emulate games as well, but do you think the average gamer, actually cares about playing SNES or PSX era games? For them those games are ugly, outdated, pixelated, clunky, archaic, unlike something "good" like the newest Call of Duty or Fortnite. Why would they even care about playing old games on a newer system, let alone emulate them?
>>405296 >>405342 I don't follow console wars besides sometimes seeing sony fanboys losing their mind over the current situation of the japanese market. >>405370 >>405372 You grossly overestimate how the average person will bother installing a software program to emulate a specific system branch of games (among many to choose), trying to find the proper BIOS files, researching where to get the roms/isos (without fearing of . It's also easy to get out of touch when you can simply download romsets of older systems from archive dot org instead of browsing pirate websites these days. That's why I was never behind of the criticism about Mario 3D All-Stars, as the most relevant and recent example, outside of the time-limited availability for the digital release which was actually pretty gay. It's easy to forget, especially in a chan with vidya enthusiasts, that emulation has remained a "nerd thing".
>>405397 Not only is it more convenient, it's more secure. With things like ransomware becoming more and more prevalent and even the concept of things like VFIO being beyond 99% of anons grasp, pirating software is becoming more and more dangerous by the day. It's not much of an issue with emulation specifically, but for standard PC games when the choice is between losing your data and passwords or spending $5 on a game when it's on sale the later is even more appealing to me, someone that is fully capable of pirating software and even containing it properly if it has malware. It might have been rare in the past for pirated software to contain malware, but I think it'll become a lot more common going forward as malware as a push button service becomes a thing, which it is.
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>>405400 (Checked) It's true, It makes me Sick that every time I attempt to recommend starting with the Original Yakuza 1&2 on PS2 though emulation, I get a negtive reaction by everyone who says to start with Yakuza 0 since that's the one 90% of people start with, and why play PS2 when you can play Kiwami 1&2. it's impossible to reason with most people when you're asking them to put in a little bit of effort just to play an Older game instead of shiny new ones. Even when I'm know it's always objectively correct when stating a series it's better to go into things in Release Order, rather then Chronological Order, due to shit like Webm's releated always fucking with the original vision.
>>405417 I thought the consensus was to start with Kiwami 1, then continue with the original Yakusa 2, then 3,4,5,0.
>>405439 I wouldn't say Kiwami 1 is a good remake frankly. Problem is that the original PS2 release was a bit janky in terms of controls, and that was only fixed in the HD PS3 port which is japanese-only
>>405442 Kiwami 1's relatively good in that the original Yakuza 1 isn't a particularly good game by virtue of the team just starting out and stumbling heavily on what to do in terms of story and combat. 2's much more refined and I'd prefer and recommend it a million times over the shitshow that is the Dragon Engine no matter how shiny and how many mods make Kiwami 2 look appealing.
>>405449 I did not mean story, I meant presentation. I felt Kiwami 1 presented it's story much better with the exception of the out of plot Majima parts and the Nishiki flashbacks.
>>405449 More that Kiwami 1 became more of a chore to play with the nerfed fighting styles that relied a lot on Majima's gimmick side-content for level-up or the Komaki techniques that required to grind the underground arena a lot (instead of unlocking the tutorial stages through story progression like it was the case in the original game). Not to mention the bosses and their self-healing ability. I do agree Kiwami 2 isn't also a good remake, and Dragon Engine is more of a liability for RGG games besides the "shinier" graphic fidelity
Valve's attempts to turn Steam into a brand are Apple-grade megacringe.
>>405505 >here's a computer you can install whatever you want on it and even make your own version and use the operating system <this is just like apple What I've learned from this is that anons are legitimately more brain dead than the average normalnigger under the right conditions.
>>405543 It's gay brandfag shit for a company that hasn't made a worthwhile game in its entire history and is just costing on goodwill from being the first (not the only) digital distribution service that isn't shit. As time has gone on, even that has gotten shittier.
>>405505 >>405550 I don't think they would because that would require constant effort and foresight, two things Valve aren't famous for.
>>405505 So you are saying that if Valve had given it a name that did not contain the words "Steam" or "Valve" in it, then it would have been fine? So instead of SteamPal, if it was just called GamePal, then it wouldn't have been Apple-grade "megacringe"?
>>405550 You aren't supplying me with any meaningful criticism. You're just asserting "this is just like apple" when it isn't. I don't care to distinguish between pretending to be retarded and actually being retarded so I'm just going to filter you.
>>405550 Apple-branding wouldn't be a problem if the actual hardware was good.
>>405564 It still would be a shit product, but at least it wouldn't be a shit product trying to grab at the most retarded common denominator.
>>405623 Anon, Apple isn't the only company on the planet appealing to the lowest common denominator. The analogy was completely retarded, even if you hate the device. Just let it go and switch IDs again.
>>405631 Apple's the most prominent tech company that appeals to the lowest common denominator, but it's true that most of them do and Apple's use of obnoxious gay branding is one of the most powerful tools they do to succeed at doing so.
>>405618 >Blatant fear mongering is blatant. You cowards never thought to backup your data before? Your loss. Concern over running random binaries modified by anonymous slavic crypto savants is not "fear mongering", it's basic security. If you're unironically proposing that merely backing up your data is enough to make willfully getting malware on your machines a non-issue then you're a complete fucking retard. You can barely trust the developers of games themselves not to introduce malware, let alone random anonymous slavs. If you can't into basic computer sec then you probably shouldn't be engaging in conversations about it. It's fine if you want to be an ignorant retard, just keep it to yourself.
>>405505 Go back to Reddit
>>405764 I've never been there, faggot.
>>405784 >haha you're just too scared to run untrustworthy proprietary code on your computer Man I've been owned. I never realized how bad ass it was to walk around bending over in front of men and exposing my asshole to them. All this time I was hiding my bare asshole from men when I should have been asserting my dominance and presenting my hole to them.
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Yep the flood gates have really been opened now, it was only a matter of time before the games industry got to the point where the Console you play on and the Portable became nearly the same thing. It's not like the Switch was a whole original idea anyway, it was just the one to do this idea properly first. The Vita was already trying to bridge the game between Console and Portable. Pic related is going to try with "The Cloud" and that's probably gonna be shit, but people who are willing to play fucking Density on their goddamn phones, will probably be willing to put up with the Shit quality of "The Cloud" I'm curious if Nintendo is actually going to be able to think up something to stand out again, or if whatever they come up with is going to be retarded again like the Virtual boy, or Wii U, Nintendo has always been stuck years behind the competition so the only Consumer Friendly thing that could manage to get Switch owners to not think Nintendo is fucking them in the ass, with their next console release would be to have it so People's user profiles from the Swtich move forward to the next console so people can actually keep their fucking games instead of buying them a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, time, something Xbox has been doing since the 360, and is pretty much the only thing making people still like the Xbox over other consoles, since If you buy a Xbone game you can still play that game on the Series X, if you have the disc for Ninja Gaiden Black, you can put it in a Series X, and Download the Enhanced definitive version of the game. Sony is already pissing people off with how you need to pay to upgrade games from PS4 to PS5. Main selling point of the Steam Deck is going to be due to the fact it's just a Fucking PC, You'll never have to deal with any of this shit again.
>>405794 >Nintendo has always been stuck years behind the competition Have they? Sure the Wii had inferior hardware, but both Sony and Microsoft ended up coping the motion controls gimmick with Move and Connect so was Nintendo truly behind? And now with Switch, sure it's not an original idea, but look how many companies came out with their not-Switch like consoles, in response to it's success. Though with that said, I can't figure out anything that got copied from the DS line, in spite of how well it sold.
>>405893 With the Wii, Nintendo successfully forced Sony and Microsoft to run the race how Nintendo wanted to run it for a generation or so, instead of trying to compete in the race that Sony and Microsoft were running (graphics and robust multiplayer)
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>>405893 >>405899 Yeah I'm referring mostly to how they handle Online, instead of just simply copying all the shit that Obviously works they have a system that's always criticized for being behind the times. The Dreamcast had Online 2 years before the gamecube released and the GC had pic related, which was probably just Sega using servers they already had. Sure the Wii was able to cause waves due to Waggle attaching casuals but that wasn't a market that has really stuck around, when something that comes out that's better then the Switch, what will make people keep buying the Switch, or whatever else Nintendo puts out. Turning the DS and the Wii U into one thing wasn't really an extremely hard idea to come up with. The Dock part is probably the most novel part of that Idea. The Wii U shows you can't simply do the Wii twice, or if they could have they fucked it up.
>>405911 I can appreciate a company giving zero fucks about online gaming though, even if it's mostly just incompetence.
>>405911 I think Nintendo hamstrung themselves in the online realm mostly by way of their compulsion to use systems like friend codes to make it inconvenient for gamers (presumably child gamers) to interact with strangers except in very structured ways. Without really coming out and saying it (in any way that I remember) they were trying very hard to be the family/children friendly alternative to the other two companies--and yet they had games like NMH that were obviously not going to win them points with the family crowd. To the extent that they have succeeded, they seem to have succeeded in spite of their multiplayer safety hangups more than because of it, though I can't say what motivates people to buy Nintendo products aside from those people who buy them to play games that have only appeared on Nintendo platforms. >>405917 But some of their biggest titles have had multiplayer modes.
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>>405928 >though I can't say what motivates people to buy Nintendo products aside from those people who buy them to play games that have only appeared on Nintendo platforms. It's because just like Disney, there are people who heavily attach there Identity to corporate owned entertainment to the point they view it as a sanctuary from the world, and they owe that entertainment a debt that can never fully be repaid no matter how much physical money they give. for some people. There isn't a whole lot of difference between them giving all of their money to a cooperation, compared to someone who's giving money to a religion. People will Idolize anything nowadays.
>>405928 >though I can't say what motivates people to buy Nintendo products aside from those people who buy them to play games that have only appeared on Nintendo platforms. Nintendo has more of an recognizable identity as a brand which lasted across decades (Mario & cie) so it is generally viewed as trustworthy among the public In my personal case, I used to be more of a Playstation guy because of japanese third-parties but Nintendo has taken nearly all the cake lately so it's not surprising that I would end up getting a Switch too (with whatever not being on Switch gets a PC port too).
>>405936 I suppose that by "trustworthy" you mean that gamers know what quality of game, approximately, they will be getting if they buy, say, the Zelda game that comes out when a new console comes out. So Nintendo is making money because they provide a consistent experience (like McDonalds, for instance) while innovating just enough to not be accused too openly and often of selling the same shit in new packaging. Having strong control over their important IPs and then having a robust shovelware market to appeal to the Granma-buys-a-game-for-Timmy crowd seems to have been a consistently well-performing formula for them. I think people underrate the money Nintendo makes from the shovelware market, honestly. Those non-gamers who buy those Barbie and Rosetta Stone titles do actually exist, and they would probably never touch a Nintendo-affiliated title if they weren't buying it for someone else, so that is money in Nintendo's pocket (assuming they make some directly off of those sales, or indirectly through sales of development kits and licenses to a broader swath of companies, or even more indirectly through just having a larger base of titles and therefore attracting non-gamers to buy their consoles). Sony and Microsoft approached the concept of getting non-gamers to buy their consoles by trying to make them media or internet appliances; neither of those strategies worked. Of course, that was two generations ago. Nowadays we have mobile games, and so pretty much everyone is seen as a potential gamer. My analyses are not only amateur and without statistical backing, but are also out of date.
>>405911 >when something that comes out that's better then the Switch, what will make people keep buying the Switch, or whatever else Nintendo puts out. Besides brand loyalty, this idea implies that Nintendo will never ever release a follow-up to their console line. Right now the consoles is over 4 years old, and other companies are still playing catch-up to the portable market, sure they will have better hardware, but most likely Nintendo is spending millions in their R&D(unless they lost it all in their amusement park) to come up with the latest bullshit gimmick for their console. Will their next console just be a Switch 2, or something else, I can't say, sure for the past few generations they went with all sorts of gimmicks, but as I said in >>405120 all this time they have been aiming for a Switch-like console, that this was their end goal, and now that they have reached it, what else are they going to do?
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>>405940 and you can even see that they were aiming for something like the Wiimote, even with the Power Glove, it just took more years to make if viable, going by this trend Nintendo could try something "VR" like the Virtual boy again, only they've been beaten to the punch by John Carmack since competent VR exists now, although Nintendo would be the ones who would really be able to massively popularize it... only they've already fucked that up recently making it out of Fucking cardboard.
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Regardless of anything Nintendo does, in the long run it's going to be PC that benefits. I had slight interest in playing Star Fox Zero, and Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword, but not enough to actively get what was needed to play those games. but with the Steam Deck as a peripheral. I'll be able to play both of those games with the intended control scheme, al DS games need on the Deck is one of those Touch screen Pens. NG:DS is meant to be played sideways anyway so it's possible you could play it better on a Steam Deck then you could on the DS.
Are AIs posting in this thread? >>405410 >surrender data incl. dox and credit card+SSN info to glowniggers with forced always online kernel-level anti-cheat just to play a game >lose some data to starving Beniszuelan hackers using wonky hohol malware that doesn't even work right on Linux or Windows installs without Cyrillic as the default font, and that is only if (You) haven't sandboxed wine or ran the infected application on a Windows 7 VM with nothing valuable on it
>>406028 If you want an example of bot-posting check out >>>/b/64149 , as it's either that or one very autistic troll shitposter.
>>403213 Handhelds are for faggots.
>>406028 That's largely an issue with shitters trying to release a/with new drm scheme the market for post sale monetization with regards to software is really well documented and fairly easy to avoid, or storefronts looking to maximize profit.
>>405950 >intended control scheme instead of paying 400+ dollars for this thing you could just hack a 3DS, and even get a DS for cheap and flashcart that if you don't like the 3DS playing DS games, and still have plenty left over for a Vita or something.
>>405370 >normie Get out!
>>404860 >nothing stopping you from buying the cheapest version of the desk Except the cheapest version of the deck is still $400 you buffoon, you didn't factor in the high entry cost into the equation? You could get 2 Vitas with whatever size memory cards you wanted for that price >they're still ridiculously expensive That's more because of scarcity because they're discontinued now, they went up in price compared to when they were still being made. There are many reasons that Sony fucked up the Vita rather than just merely "expensive memory cards" (which was a big factor, but far from the only one) >It's getting the customer to think they are morally good for supporting you, because they could be supporting someone immoral. This is correct and why Steam's storefront has been successful, but their hardware is weird and always has had problems. They have brainwashed many people but that doesn't mean their control of people is absolute. When the venture has fundamental problems, it will fail. Google and Amazon have all the money and resources in the world and have brainwashed many people, but can't break into gaming at all (or social media much for that matter) despite expensive efforts to do so. Valve can't break into the hardware market despite repeated, expensive efforts to do so. This will only be different because it is indeed a different approach, but not by enough, in my opinion, to be anything more than a modest success unless people are so desperate for graphics cards by the time it releases that they take what they can get. >So long as Valve is smart enough to let people forget about their bullshit, people will, and now they've put out a product that they told people, you are aloud to do what ever the fuck you want with it when you get it, since it doesn't matter how many people actually use it for piracy or even buying shit from the Epic Games Store. There are enough people with Zealot dedication to Steam that they will buy this thing, because of how big their investment in Steam already is This is far from necessarily being the case. Your logic should've applied to much of their previous hardware but it didn't. This is different, but only moderately so from their previous attempts. >and other people who may have never used Steam will see that this thing has the capacity to play games ranging from the 1970's to Now No official capacity, and enthusiasts, hackers and pirates don't make up nearly as much of a legitimate audience as you would think. Not unless you consider overlapping audiences but even then, eh. There are still fundamental problems with the Steam Deck as a device that undermine it. Its complete lack of physical games support, the extremely high entry cost, the lack of first party support in terms of titles (and as a result, its a very "weird" type of console since its environment differs utterly), the fact that people don't really know if it even is a console, handheld, or some kind of form factor computer mimicking the Switch, the fact that Steam's audience and primary demographic is largely uninterested in shit like this considering they're all about their "battlestations" and "rigs" (and the fact that they own all their games on PC already). There is basically no reason for them to buy this sort of thing unless they like shitty handhelds, but if they own a gaming laptop and a controller this thing is already nearly redundant in most cases. A Switch offers a unique library which is why some PC fags might get it along with their (((Steam))) account, but this thing... meh. >Valve is a cooperation like any other but they're are at least smart enough to not let them selves be viewed as "The Bad guys" The model of giving people what they want with "No Strings Attached" works. Don't be so sure about that. You're right about the perception of people, but eventually all things are forced to catch up to reality. Their actions will eventually lead to their downfall especially considering there has been no course correction, but instead things have only been getting worse for the last 7 years in terms of their behavior.
>>405417 >>405439 >>405442 >>405450 >>405449 Why not go for Yakuza 1&2 on the PS3 or Wii U?
>>406151 >No official capacity, and enthusiasts, hackers and pirates don't make up nearly as much of a legitimate audience as you would think. Granted SteamOS 3 isn't out yet so I really don't know how it 'would' work, but in SteamOS literally all you have to do to install shit from outside of steam is just hit a menu option to go to desktop on SteamOS 1 and 2 and the next time you boot. Though that's kind of funky since it's not an intended feature in steamOS being that SteamOS is for dedicated steam gaming pcs.
>>406142 I'm mostly referring to Star Fox Zero, the game where the whole gimmick is the Gamepad and Gyro controls. The Steam Deck is going to be able to do everything the Wii U gamepad could do, and more, so you can probably set it up to a Monitor as the "TV screen" and the Deck as the "Wii U Gamepad" The Deck can be exactly what the Wii U was, but actually good.
>>403306 I have. Vita is only of my favorite places to play PS1 games. >>403326 >In the end, all pc gamers care about is getting a high end rig with powerful GPUs / CPUs. So many contrarian retards in these threads. Is this why the majority of PC gamers have potatoes and play games that aren't as demanding as your average AAA release? The Deck is above the average standard for Steam users you fucking retard. >Pc gamers are also bemoaning that the Deck's screen is only 720p. It's tiny compared to their 1440p or higher 32" monitors. I use a 1440p monitor, and I point out that 720 on a smaller screen can look better than 32" QHD. Especially when it's spread across a fraction of the size of the full monitor. You can fit 7" of space into a 32 4 times. >If you wanna play a game made for k&m, it'll be awkward to hook up a keyboard and mouse to a tiny screen. Or you can just plug it into a monitor. I have never used trackpads designed for thumbs so I won't comment on that part of the design. >linux bad Opinion discarded. >But for pc gamers, they have no reason to buy a Deck. It's cheap, portable, and has their library mostly compatible unless they want to play shitty MP games. >easily go for a more powerful rig Cheap build market has been in the shitter for two years, time moves on pay attention. >>403354 I don't know about him but if I bought one of these I wouldn't use it to play fucking shooters. If I DID, I would use a mix of the sticks/trackpad and GYRO which significantly closes the gap. >>405417 I am on chapter 11 in the first game and have had a good time so far.
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>>406217 This thing IS a PC, It's a laptop but instead of a built in Keyboard it has a built in controller. So many anons seem to really think of this thing as a Console. Yeah sure Valve want's Normal Fags to think it's a console since that's what they understand video games to be. But the reason people are excited for this thing isn't because it's attached to "Valve or Steam" It's because it's just a cool piece of hardware. If you wanted to use Keyboard and mouse that much you could get something retarded like Pic Related. and do that wherever you go. As shown by the Steam Controller, the Steam Box, and other shit Valve put out that didn't make much waves, it takes more then just having Valve/Steam Branding, it needs to be something people actually want. The Deck is the culmination of all of Valve's individual product ideas combined. It's taking all of those Niche as fuck Ideas, and putting them into one product that Actually has some broader appeal. Again allot of anons in this thread are saying this thing is going to flop simply because they want to see Valve fail, not because they actually have a logical reason for why this thing won't be a success. Because this thing already isn't a Flop, it was a success the day it was announced because people causing Traffic to put in their reservations made the Steam store servers nearly unusable. The only thing that will make the Steam Deck fail at this point is if the early adopters in the first wave of releases Make videos showing the Deck is actually a huge piece of shit, and everything Valve Said was a Lie, since people will then have the chance to cancel their Reservations, but statistically speaking allot of people won't cancel even if it does get bad reviews. Regardless of how things will go at release, the Deck is already the most successful piece of Hardware Valve has ever put out, except for maybe VR, but I haven't looked into VR enough to know what the number there are yet.
>>406230 >cool piece of hardware >people actually want it Instead of just blindly judging based on hype, how's about actually seeing how the sales do. Preorders aren't enough to make any judgments about without concrete numbers, and sites crash all the time from traffic. That just amounts to surprising news. Their marketing is better for this and that does suggest it will do better than their past hardware, but its still way too early to tell if it'll be anything more than either a modest success (the chance of being more than that are unlikely), mediocre sales, or a dumpster fire.
>>406234 It's Valve, bet on a dumpster fire. They are a bunch of incompetent diversity-staffed faggots.
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>>406230 Also it stands to mention 99% of what killed steam machines was that wine, kind of sucked in 2013, and that they had low intrinsic usefulness and more functioned as a glorified steam link for non-native titles. Most of the steam machines from back then are half decent gaming setups. That is, if you specifically want to game on them, multitasking is still kind of shit.
>>406234 >>406247 I think at the very least it will be a Modest Success with a cult following. Yeah it could end up as dumpster fire, But I honestly don't see that happening unless they REALLY screw up production on the first wave. I think anyone who Does think the Steam Deck looks cool and already ordered one will be for the most part please with what they get. Unless they're retarded and haven't actually looked up information on what it will actually be like.
>>406230 What heretic capitalization is this?? Are you e9e866?
>>406230 >The Deck is the culmination of all of Valve's individual product ideas combined. OR >The Deck is just Valve looking at the Switch and going we can make a PC that works like that. Lets not bullshit Anon. Its just Valve copying Nintendo. Not a bad thing but lets not try and make out Valve have come up with something new.
>>406345 Honestly it's more retarded that you'd insinuate that Valve would target the only market that isn't desperately trying to compete with PC gaming and getting curb stomped because of the latest nintendo thing, rather than it actually being an area that isn't just immediately made redundant in the market for pc gaming.
>>406391 Well see the problem with "Make VAC better" is a problem of design. VAC isn't a substitute for moderation and only shit admins don't understand that.
>>406402 Well, the only way you're going to get that is getting developers to move back to allowing userhosts, and moving away from centralized matchmaking that they can't be fucked to actually moderate. Good luck with that.
>>406404 While not specifically people self hosting, VAC is designed as a supplemental drag net to scrape off most of the people cheating on top of user(either publisher, developer, or end user) moderation. It's designed with the idea that people will actually do their job, it's why CS:GO literally has a massive user pool of volunteer administrators.
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>>406309 Yes I am, e9e866, i'm also 32610f My ID keeps changing without me doing it on purpose, and I'm too lazy to find out why that is. I'm sure you can spot me in other threads based on the retarded capitalization that I do unintentionally when I'm not watching for it. I'v stated this before but I type the way I think it would sound if I was speaking out loud, it doesn't dawn on me it's a retarded way to read text until it's pointed out by another anon. My text used to be way worse then this before I was even a newfag. >>406345 Not going to say you don't have a point there anon, but at the same time things like Steam OS, and the Steam Controller, are all clearly apart of the Deck, so while there is probably some copying of Nintendo, there were also already products in place Valve didn't need to make from scratch to put into the Decks hardware, I'd say iot was more of a matter of Technology finally getting to the point where a product like this was viable. and yeah i'v been called a Shill a bunch of times in this thread, and I'v acted defensively. i'm not going to even deny that I'm pretty much on valves side here when it comes to the product, because I can't say I'm not genuinely excited for the Steam Deck. Since like i'v said it's the kind of thing i'v wanted since at least 2010. All I'v wanted was a portable gaming device with a proper controller built into it that takes advantage of real duel analog sticks since the PSP's little nub was always pretty shitty feeling, and I never got a Vita because those memory cards were clearly a scam. I want to emulate so much shit on this thing, and I'm interested in how the emulation scene might go when the Deck comes out with a Linux operating system, I know jack shit about Linux but if the deck is popular it will massively increases the Linux user base, and who knowns what kind of change in direction that can cause for Linux? Maybe emulators will become way better under Linux and since the Steam Deck is one standardized PC, the emulators could be tuned to use the Deck specifically as a benchmark for everything. My exactment comes allot from the doors that this thing could open. Granted I'v got no fucking clue about anything i'm talking about here, I could be wrong about everything i'm excited about, and the Deck can be a piece of shit I waste my money on, but it still feels good to be excited about something new since I haven't been for a very long time. Everything could blow up in my face, and i'm willing to accept that as a possible outcome, and rightfully be told "I told you so" by any anon in this thread who could be right about the Deck being a huge failure in the future.
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>>405417 >Starting with Yakuza 0 and not the OG Yakuza 1 on the PS2
>>406469 >>405417 Are Yakuza fans just autists?
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>>406469 I fucking know, and there are people who say you should play DMC3 before DMC1, or Halo Reach before Halo CE, chronological fags are retards. Nobody says you should watch the Star Wars, prequels first, nobody says to Read fucking Books out of release order. but if it's video games people refuse to play older games, and will take any excuse they can to not do so, this is the only reason Remakes are seen as a good thing when it comes to Video games and no other form of media, People want a Devil May Cry 1 remake, even though it's probably impossible to actually remake that game and do it justice. They choose to play with Halo CE's anniversary even though they are shit and ruin the tone of the game. Regardless of what you think about any of these games. If you are someone who claims to CARE about playing "In Order" Then release order is the only fucking order. There has never been a piece of media made by the original creators that was intended to be viewed in any order besides release Order. Prequels are made based on the assumption the god damn audience knows what is going to happen in the future. Sure they can be used as "Entry points" for newer fans who just want to hope into things, but it's not the definitive place to start, The FUCKING START is the place to Start. And this concept can feel impossible to get though people heads when they can't even handle playing a fucking PS2 game with fixed camera angels. I hate that video game Remakes exist not because of their quality but because they are used as replacements for the original games by fucking cowards.
>>406472 From what I've been told, the series took a nosedive in quality after the third game. Also, many of the song licenses in the original expired, so they replaced them with more modern music for the remakes.
>>406483 >And this concept can feel impossible to get though people heads when they can't even handle playing a fucking PS2 game with fixed camera angels. >I hate that video game Remakes exist not because of their quality but because they are used as replacements for the original games by fucking cowards. Imagine how much worse it is for games that have a story stretching as far back as the SNES, or the NES. Hell, the Sonic series has it where even the Game Gear games are vital to the story; and you have retards declaring that those game do not matter at all and that there is zero reason why they should be available to modern audiences, before immediately preceding to buy the same four Genesis games for the 10th damn time.
>>406487 You do realize aside from revisiting baddies from games (mostly Eggman) and a loose storyline of shadow learning to not be and edgy little shithead nearly all the games are self contained adventures. Aside from Sonic Generations, which explicitly was a revisit to the entire series? Hell, Neo Metal Sonic in Heroes was a virtual retcon, being a sort of hybrid of mecha sonic and metal sonic.
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>>406484 I'v played just about every Yakuza game except the Japanese only ones, and while I wouldn't say the series ever took a "Nose Dive" in quality, it gradually changed so much over the years that even though the Kiwami Remakes of Yakuza 1&2 literally re-used the exact same Cutscene animations, The games aren't the same experiences at all. Kiwami 1&2 might be newer and shinier but they were still only made because it was easy and cheap to do so, AND Kiwami 1 expects the player to have played Yakuza 1. 99% of players will never fucking Know this, but it's true, Kiwami 1 changed things so you Fight Majima hundreds of times, And they changed the main story boss fight music to a Remix of Majima's theme. when you're finally finished Fighting Majima enough times, and you are ready to "Settle the Score" the game plays the Oringal Boss fight music from Yaukuza 1 PS2, this is meant to be a great call back, but this music means nothing to players who have never played the original fucking game. The Epilogue to fucking Yakuza 0 plays that same music when Kiryu and Majima meet. as well as other Music Call backs to Yakuza 1 PS2, People won't Fucking GET this if they never play the original game. Yakuza 0 was made for the 10th anniversary of Yakuza 1 to celebrate where the series started, but this is completely fucking lost on people. >>406487 At the very least there is finally a Sonic Encyclopedia coming out, after 30 fucking years. although it remains to be scene if it will actually do the full series story justice. We'll have to wait and see just how it will try and show all the lore of the series, if it will fuck everything more going forward, or if it can actually salvage things.
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>>406483 >chronological fags are retards. Fun fact. Halo MCC lists its games in chronological order so a new player with no prior knowledge of the series could and would play Reach before CE. No idea if it was that way from the start or changed in a patch but good god what a shitshow for anyone trying to get into the series. Not that its worth the effort but you know at least the makers of that collection should not work against themselves >but if it's video games people refuse to play older games I have noticed this weird... how to even name it? Maybe, schizophrenia? when it comes to videogames. On one end faggots will insist that video games are more than just a retarded time sink, that they are art and what not but then when the time comes to at least approach them as such they are suddenly back to "kiddie stuff" and "oh, man I cant be bothered". Basically anything that is 100% normal and accepted with everything else is suddenly up to debate and "maybe not that important". Its like people cannot wrap their heads around the idea that video games are subject to the same space time as everything else and do not magically operate outside of it. Its this absolutely unique feature of video games. I have never seen any other audience act this way and honestly I have no idea why it even is this way. I could understand people not going back to some atari or NES games to get the "full experience" games from that era just a tad too outdated but anything after SNES should present absolutely no issue.
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>>406491 >although it remains to be scene if it will actually do the full series story justice. Ah yes. God forbid that we besmirch the respectable reputation of Sanic lore
>>406491 >We'll have to wait and see just how it will try and show all the lore of the series, if it will fuck everything more going forward, or if it can actually salvage things. There's no way to salvage Sonic's canon without explicitly splitting it into like 5 different versions that exist in their own worlds. The Genesis games don't mesh well with Adventure-era games (although these two groups mesh better with each other than with anything to come later), the boost games are basically their own universe, and within that universe it's a series of experimental settings. Factor in Forces, Mania, and Generations and you have some weird combination of time-traveling illusions that make nothing mean anything. Trying to cram the metropolises and seaside villages of Adventure next to the pristine landscapes of the original trilogy, and then trying to justify the weird alien worlds, werehog stuff, etc all together just can't work. It's not thematically or aesthetically consistent and the story changed at each point to accommodate. The comics and TV shows are also their own thing, and some kinda tie-in to some versions of the games, but... good luck. The best thing SEGA could do is start from scratch, build on top of the Genesis games, find a way to tie-in some of the TV and comics as semi-canon side-stories, and then keep it consistent going forward. But they won't do that. Their mainline games are still Boost faggotry, so they'll keep making Forces and Colors clones until they get bored with that. Each of those will have boring, arbitrary plots and settings. Until they can reliably produce games that force a consistent canon there's literally no point in trying to build anything. You need a set of good, consistent works to build around, and then you can bend over backwards to justify the inclusion of anything else.
>>406489 >Hell, Neo Metal Sonic in Heroes was a virtual retcon, being a sort of hybrid of mecha sonic and metal sonic. No, Neo Metal Sonic is the same Metal Sonic from CD, Triple Trouble, and Chaotix (And, recently, Sonic 4). Mecha Sonic was destroyed in Knuckles' story in S&K. >>406496 >No idea if it was that way from the start or changed in a patch but good god what a shitshow for anyone trying to get into the series. There's also the fact that Anniversary Edition of Halo:CE actually ruins the Flood stage. >>406510 >The best thing SEGA could do is start from scratch, build on top of the Genesis games, find a way to tie-in some of the TV and comics as semi-canon side-stories, and then keep it consistent going forward. Like what happened with the Archie comics? Also, much of the problems could be easily solved. Everything prior to 06 plays off of one-another; the time-travel/dimension-hopping shenanigans from Rush, 06, Rush Adventure, Rivals, Generations, and Forces could be used as the reasoning behind why everything has been all over the place for the past 15 years; and they just need a story to tie everything together so that there's one consistent setting from that point forward.
>>406496 Reach was listed first because Halo Reach was brought to PC first in the MCC so it made sense at the time in a way, but now that's just something everyone will have to deal with going forward. >Its this absolutely unique feature of video games. I have never seen any other audience act this way and honestly I have no idea why it even is this way. It's because every other form of media is pretty much a passive experience, you Watch or Read ect, everyone gets the same exact experience even if they interpret that experience differently. When it comes to video games though, The players roll is as much a part of the art as everything else, If someone is too lazy to learn how to become a good "Actor" in the game world, then the whole thing can fall apart. Allot of Newer games are made so that the player only needs the bare minimum of motor functions to actually get to the end of them nowadays, but something like Devil May Cry 1 is Actually a challenging game that is intended to be challenging to push the player to eventually being able to embody Dante though gameplay and live up to the character they see in the cutscenes. but now if someone Sucks at DMC1 there is a chance they will blame the game for being "Too Dated" instead of their own skills. most forms of media aren't made in a way that it's impossible for someone to get to the end, if they aren't skilled enough, you can turn to the last page of a book at any time if you want to. >>406506 It's not so much about "Sanic Lore" being sacred, as much as it was about finding out Sonic Lore even existed was just a whole other layer of fun added on top of playing the games. Finding out all the connections is just a fun way to get more out of the series, that what Lore fags of any series enjoy, you get to keep digging into something even after the main story line is over. >>406510 I'd say trying to actually connect everything into an easily cohesive story is nearly impossible sure... but their is no harm in characters simply acknowledging other games happened when it's appropriate to a situation, Things don't need to be concrete and make 100% sense, but it would be nice if the characters personalities were simply well written. A good writer is all it takes to make people happy. People don't like the current Shadow because he doesn't make any sense when you compare him to SA2 Shadow, there should at the very least be someone who understands how to write a character that is constant with how they were portrayed in the original game. People just want to genuinely LIKE these characters again. That's all it is.
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>>406526 Neo Metal is intended to be a combined version of mecha and metal (and, even more absurdedly his own character). This was again, retconned in his next subsequent appearance. Which was in fact, not 4, but the rivals which contains another fucking retcon for silver. Stop caring about lore for fucks sake, shit like that is how the phantom ruby gets nerfed into It's a hand held VR laser but the VR is real, but also not, but please don't fucking think about it too hard, but maybe sonic mania isn't real, or forces isn't real. For the love of fuck just let it be cheesy fucking shit about a fast boy that likes to fuck with an eggshaped man and learn to have fun It doesn't have to be complicated.
>>406544 I agree, I like digging into Sonic Lore for the fun of it, but if I were to be in charge of a Sonic game's plot i wouldn't let it bound me artistically, I'd simply do what I felt was right for the characters. I mean heck the way the writing is in Lost World or Forces isn't even really a problem for those games when viewed in as standalone stories, the issue is that those games from the start we're going to be shallow adventures that didn't matter all that much, because Sonic Team didn't want to put the effort in, As soon as someone at Sega Decides that the next Sonic game should have some fucking effort put into it again, it's not going to be hard to get the series quality back on track, it's just for years Sonic Team has been stuck in cruse control, only pumping out enough to make the game "Good enough" to make a profit.
>>406548 You say that like it's the issue that sonic games don't zero all in on the story, and not that Sonic Team went positively feature anemic after '06 and getting nearly the entire internet on the retarded train of "Sanic games were all bad always after all why is there any play style beside sanicc??? :^)"
>>406553 Na I'm not saying Sonic Team isn't the issue, since at this point they clearly are. You give the Sonic IP to nearly anyone else and they'll know what to do with it to put out a good game, things would be better if all of Sonic Team was replaced completely with new blood, old blood, doesn't matter, just not what is there now. but Japan being Japan, there are allot of reasons that hasn't happened, weither it being completely out of touch with the West aka "Where the Sonic Fans are." or a misplaced sense of "Honor" keeping Sonic Team from getting fucking Fired as punished for their fuck ups,
>sanic tism consumed thread
>>407099 Welcome to /v/
Here's something that really bothers me. A while back, when the steam dick was announced, some anon posted an image of a really buff Steamdeck-tan putting Switch Oled-tan. Now I don't know if this was magical realm tier degeneracy on my part but that implied to me there was going to be more console-tan images of those two, lewd or otherwise. Where the fuck are they? >>406491 That's an odd thing to say about Yakuza considering how I thought 4/5 were the highpoints of the series I haven't played LAD and honestly I'm not sure if I ever will, I'm pretty autistic about playing series in order but I still haven't gotten past 6 it's so fucking boring.
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>>407099 Yep, that's a think that just kind of happens when ever Sonic is brought up. Anyway back on Topic, to any anons that were to have a Steam Deck or if you found someone IRL with a Deck what funny shit would you do? You could wait until their guard is down and then Have it so their game of Jet Set Raido is changed so every Spray Paint pattern just says Nigger. you could give them the Anti-Piracy copy of Serious Sam 3 that spawns the Immortal Fast Scorpion, or the GTA4 Anti-Piracy measures with the Drunk camera, Damaged engines Auto acceleration Missions script traps and Computers that don't work. You can fill someone's Skyrim with Really weird porn mods. Allot of room for creativity to harmlessly fuck with people.
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>>405417 >>406212 >>406469 >>407114 What kind of irresponsible fuck would just leave his expensive portaPC lying around long enough for an Anon to mess with it let alone some nigger steal it.
>>407131 >someone saved me pic, and posted it exactly for the reason I made it in the first place. Neat. >What kind of irresponsible fuck would just leave his expensive portaPC lying around long enough for an Anon to mess with it let alone some nigger steal it. It happens, you could fuck with someone you know in real life, or you could go to some kind of convention or something and find suckers you can lull into a false sense of security, thinking they can trust you, and then whip out a Micro SD card, and upload shit to their Decks. It would be really easy to do. I'm think of it just for the jokes, but you could also be malicious too.
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>Steam Deck Can't they atleast come up with a better name?
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>>408609 Steam Duck
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>>408622 What a dark joge there.
>>403230 Valve employee detected. Mark, ban this faggot!
>>418901 But what if... I AM MARK?
>>418916 Oh, you meant being a manager and making goyim work. Yeah I can imagine you liking that, filthy jew.
>>418916 That would be a dark fate indeed.
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>>418961 Why does Mark look like Diglet?
>>407114 >>407134 Given how protective people have been about far less expensive handheld tech at conventions I think you're going to have a bad time trying to get away with any of this. Genuinely, the reason it's likely that it's using the potatOS is so most of the networking is locked down so people don't sign into them over public wifi, which would be a far more effective vector to compromise.
>>418961 Those features are common around jews.
>>408622 What if they still followed their plumbing nomenclature? Steam Pipe Valve Stem Steam Gasket Plunger?
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So far this is the only actual footage I've seen of the Steam Deck running games. I feel like Valve is dropping the ball hard on marketing the Deck, there's obviously a lot of interest as many of the hands-on videos have millions of views but they aren't capitalizing on that. Normalfags really love those flashy trailers and showcase videos, product launches usually have several of those months leading up to release but all I've seen Valve do is make an honestly bland and uninteresting video only uploaded to their YouTube channel.
>>421873 I guess once they went from a vidya company to a digital store owner, they forgot what it means to market your products.
>>421960 They might just be banking on their name/brand to do the heavy lifting
>>421873 >>421960 >>421994 Valve are notoriously retarded and brilliant at the same time. The law of Valve is that for every good thing they do they must do something of equal or greater retardation to balance it back out.
https://www.steamdeck.com/en/faq >How will SteamOS and Steam Deck handle offline mode when it comes to launching games? >Just like a PC, you'll need to be online to download games and play online multiplayer games. Once a game is installed on disk, you can play while Steam Deck is offline unless the game requires an internet connection. Get fucked drmfags.
>>422608 Where does this vid of Kanbei Kuroda come from?
>>422608 Not sure how this is news or drmfags getting "fucked". Steam itself is a low level DRM where it may or may not lock you out of your library if you haven't been online in a few months. Allegedly it's less likely to do it these days but I recall years back there wasn't very generous windows and you would have to connect every few weeks.
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>>403221 >Norm I miss him every day.
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>Steam-related thread >close enough So I go on Steam today and, to my utter delight, they have a sale and spotlight on "Developers of Color." Put every single listed game on "Ignore."
>>404680 Where were you in 2011?
>>406142 >instead of paying 400+ dollars for this thing you could just hack a 3DS, and even get a DS for cheap and flashcart that if you don't like the 3DS playing DS games, and still have plenty left over for a Vita or something. Not viable long term, as the 3DS has been fully discontinued and it's going get hard to find new ones from now on. Also, 99% of people simply don't want to go through the hassle of putting CFW on a console, even when there are step by step guides. Regarding the price of the Deck, I think the initial cost is somewhat offset by the fact that you can immediately play games from your existing Steam library. Compare that to the Switch which has no backwards compatibility and the previous gen rereleases are all $60 purchases. And for newcomers to the Deck, I guarantee you there will be a special Steam sale for the launch week.
>>424391 That's actually quite smart.
>can run cyberpunk at 30fps >meanwhile switch can't even run pokemon at 30fps
>>430588 At least people want to play Pokemon. Great performance out of the Steam Deck so far with the dev kits showing off though.
>>430596 """People"""
>>403213 Yes, as I expect nintendo to have already announced the full switch successor by the end of next year for a 2023 release (6 year cycle) and anyone whos thinking of a steam switch for piracy, just dont connect your steam account to it as I suspect you will hear about revoked steam accounts involving nintendo piracy down the line. And no, Im not saying dont pirate, what I am saying is dont half assed pirate and lose any purchases you made. >>403306 I still find the wiiu gamepad somewhat comfy, though a tad too light. >>403319 Indeed. It works in tandem with the switch if anything. >>405115 A reminder that the 3ds was a flop intil the price cut. >>405298 Yes, because monster hunter. >>405342 Vita was a faioure because sony got greedy and the architecture on it was kinda bad, as well as price. Had they not went dumb with their charge cable on the 1.0 and proprietary memory cards, as well as been competitive on prices it could have done better. >>405794 Nintendo needs to figure out software pricing before anything else. Id be buying more from them if they went back to wiiu 60$ CAD. Also while I know some love the cloud rental service, I know many who still lioe to buy full no internet needed copies too.
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>>430839 >A reminder that the 3ds was a flop intil the price cut. Wasn't aware of that, so I checked and you were right. According to kikepedia, the console was released in February and March, and only 6 months later they slashed the price from 250$ to 170$. It should also be noted that Monster Hunter 3 was released, in Japan in December 2011, so that could also have had helped with the sales.
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>>430882 Price slashes even for a limited time gives the consumers the illusion they not getting ripped off. That's why people buy steam games on sales even if they aren't going to play it. Valve would use the same tactic in there hardware devices (hopefully) a few months later. But now its seems all news/hype has died down surrounding this, and december launch of 1st batch for "post-beta testers" is too far
>>430839 >don't connect your steam account to it You mean don't be logged onto the Steam app that comes with the system?
>>430882 Monster Hunter was easily what most saved the 3DS and sank the Vita in terms of important franchises. I was only able to save a thumbnail of this
>>431784 We'll need to see how they're going to do SteamOS on it. It might be the case that you need to use a Steam account to even setup the operating system properly. Based on what I remember reading that sounded like it might be how it works. So you might need to install another distribution on it if you want to avoid Steam all together, which would be rather fucking annoying since other distributions clearly won't be well optimized for the screen size or hardware. But hopefully it's less intrusive than requiring a steam account to even get into the desktop environment.
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>>430882 I remember hearing about this price tag and losing any interest in it. Then it had nothing but shitty games for a while except for MonHun. These retards unironically thought the damn thing was worth 250 like a Vita. >>431787 Here Anon I have it.
>>431787 What about all of the MH clones like God Eater, Toukiden, Sword Art Online, Soul Sacrifice, and so on?
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>>431795 It shows the Toukiden sales to be a fraction of Monster Hunter sales right there retard. Soul Sacrifice is right above it at a smaller rate. Also when was SAO a MonHun clone? Those games played like Xenoblade until they became basic bitch ARPGs.
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>>431798 But, that image is for ants. Also, is it accounting for global or regional sales?
>>431805 Its referring to Japan sales only, but its enough to prove the point. Toukiden is one of the bigger ones on the right side, but even that is nothing compared to MH.
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>>431805 I posted a bigger one and the source is at the bottom.
>>431816 > Its referring to Japan sales only Okay, that's depressing then. > Toukiden is one of the bigger ones on the right side, but even that is nothing compared to MH. I would have assumed that God Eater would at least be rivaling in some way given how many doujins there are.
>>406531 >but their is no harm in characters simply acknowledging other games happened when it's appropriate to a situation, Things don't need to be concrete and make 100% sense, but it would be nice if the characters personalities were simply well written. That's the most retarded shit ever. Stop being a lorefag.
>>430905 Who cares about hype? The damn thing will sell-out almost instantly anyways, there's no way they'll have enough inventory to meet demand. Hype will be more important after launch, to get people coming back and to encourage more developer adoption.
>>431824 Anon, go look at the total MH franchise sales. Its massive.
Steam Deck Official Teardown Video https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=uTFey3FPAqs It looks like Valve will have sanctioned replacement vendors for parts and most things can be replaced relatively easily. So my original fears of it being an unservicable mess are been swayed.
>>435848 The word you want is "allayed." >>435851 The people who are going to self repair are going to do it anyhow. The video is really just about getting around those people who make money with videos of teardowns.
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>>435848 looks standard laptop components. Say about 5-6 /10 on repairing.
>>436013 The only problem will be relying on Valve for batteries and thumbstick modules. I have absolutely zero faith that they will provide long-term supply chains for them even if they do for a the first little while.
>>436020 It also depends on how long the life-spam of a Steam-Deck is. If it's 10 years, then it's ok even if Valve won't have too many spare parts for sale, if it's like the early 360 with it's RRoD, then it will be a massive problem.
>>436020 >>436024 I would say the L shaped battery is preventing putting a larger sized one to increase its life, will have to see how long it lasts on play. (Do people still swap batteries to increase life?) And thumbsticks if provided only by valve is again dependent on how long they last. These are the things only enthusiast/pro consumers would do, even swapping an ssd. So the first few batches will be people breaking apart and meddling with this. >>436024 Yeah don't have 10 years to test it, general built quality would have to tell
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>>435851 >opening your steam deck weakens the structural integrity against falling
>>403213 Putting shitposting aside I hope this is good. I travel often due to work and my Switch and Vita keep me entertained but to also have another device like those but it plays my PC games would actually be welcome. Some money grabbing jew really does need to come up with a case that can hold a Switch, Vita and Steam deck all at once. They would make bank.
>>435851 >filename I really don't think that's the point they're trying to get across, they're saying "don't fuck around with it unless you know what you're doing". >>436116 To explain what he means by this, the self-tapering screws are really difficult to put back in correctly and you'll likely tear new threads into the plastic, weakening it. There's a way of getting around this: slowly move the screw counterclockwise until you feel it click, then screw it in normally. Either he didn't know this or didn't care to mention it.
>>436116 Machine sealing is a thing.
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>buy cheapest model >put a 512gb ssd >automatically a top spec machine how much is 512gb ssd cost? Certainly not $250
>>403574 It reminds me of all those super nintendo games that got re released on the gameboy advanced.
>>436123 >>436125 That's a little reassuring, but a PC like this ought to be retard proof for repairing sticks and buttons. >>436129 But Anon muh theme and PREMIUM anti glare glass! ;^)
This will be the next Ngage, only without phone capabilities.
>>436129 Saw somebody elsewhere mention he was going to buy the 1TB version of this https://www.conrad.com/p/kioxia-bg4-1024-gb-internal-m2-pcie-nvme-ssd-2230-m2-nvme-pcie-30-x4-bulk-kbg40zns1t02-2347789#! There is a 512GB version for around $100. Based on their video, I'll probably blow it up if I try to add it. I'm hoping the micro SD is good enough.
>>436129 The SSD in the steam dick is shielded to prevent interference with the wifi, which is placed right next to it. It's likely that replacing the SSD with something random off the shelf might cause connectivity issues or may not mechanically fit into the device depending on where the memory chips are placed such as on both sides of the PCB or only one side. I wouldn't bank on upgrading the SSD being that simple. And apparently the device is optimized quite well for high speed microSD cards.
>>436119 Sounds handy but enormous. What about a gay messenger bag with the carrying cases for each in it?
>>436597 that's OEM bulk purchase only, while 2280 is plenty popular, 2230 isn't.so that's problem no 1 >>436600 and this is problem no.2. Its so tight packed that thickness might be factor. And the shielding, might be the first time I heard this happening that ssd is interfering with wifi antenna
>>436923 >Its so tight packed that thickness might be factor. Maybe it's because of the marketing, however I believe it is wrong to think of this as a standard PC. No, it's not like a console either, rather a laptop, a device with tightly filled hardware, in which you have to know a bit what the fuck you are doing, replacing hardware isn't like "playing with Lego" as you hear in plenty of PC building threads, and because of the cramped space, you have to doubly check that the new piece of hardware will actually fit inside, unlike with a case in which you have plenty of wiggling room, especially with cables.
>>436600 Worst case scenario older games will probably run better on the SD while internal can be used for bigger newer titles. SD/MicroSD has gotten quite fast in recent years so I imagine it might be able to run shit as new as NuDoom especially if they could get it to run on Switch. Cannot say for sure though.
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>>436013 compare this to the Aya Neo, the closest spec wise competition >full sized ssd >cooler on top of APU instead of beside it <no separate joystick module <weak ass vibration motors >battery size seems smaller >cheaper construction due to being an indiegogo project Looks somewhat fortunate in this
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>>446162 >Team Fortress 2, a valve game, requires extra steps or manual work from the user to get work on the Steam Deck, a valve handheld Okay.
>>446164 Most likely due to controller settings and taunts and shits. Basically games that are built for mkb not for controller are in yellow
>>446165 Sounds super gay but at least it's not as bad as I expected, that being Valve being so isolated from their own games they don't even have full support for them on the Deck.
>>446166 I doubt even the gray ones would pose problems for someone willing to plough through, just for normalfags that will be saying "this game doesn't works on my machine". Also a game being marked verified would be essential for a new release, so hopefully we'll be seeing lowered system requirements
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>>446166 wanna see more, ghostrunner is verified, tf2 is playable, alyx is unsupported, and day of defeat is ???
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>>446164 nvm found this
>>446168 I can understand it for Alyx since it's a VR game.
>>446169 Can't Valve at least update their own games to be fully compatible with Steam Deck?
>>446199 Not if the fans can do it for them for free
>>446167 I think most of the gray ones will be because it's running on Linux, instead of Windows. I am sure that if you were to put Windows 10 on it(not sure if 7 would work), most of they grey ones would become green. Hopefully this will incentivize developers to make more games, native to Linux. If nothing else, this could be Steam Deck's biggest contribution to PC gaming.
>>427555 It works for "Pride Sales" as well.
>>446248 Linux doesn't need native games. In fact native Linux games are a mess because of how Linux works with dependencies and retarded shit. All developers need to actually do is test their shit on proton/wine and not use bizarre proprietary codecs that break shit. Easy Anti-Cheat and BattleEye are both now supported over wine/proton so there is no excuse anymore. Wine/proton itself is like its own platform that in 10 years will probably support more games that actual modern Windows does as Windows stops functioning with ancient titles.
>>446261 Proton is just another dependency, so it works better than native


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